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Tarquet Galbar, BeastMaster Of Santharia, He Who Rules The Animals.

Edited by: Tarquet Galbar at: 12/21/01 5:09:39 am

[Capher]

One question: How do the human mages control these demons if Quepuer is the Queen and you have the others as overlords and so forth. Does Quepuer give permission? or is the magic that human mages possess so great that the lesser demons can't resist it? but if that is the case then how come the stronger ones can't or won't allow it? In the case of the War of the Chosen I understand that the gods and goddess gave certain mages, the Archmages, The Chosen ones more power. but what about after the War of the Chosen, do human mages still have that power? And can they call upon demons still?

I realize that is more than one question, Actually it is several questions wrapped up in one.  But I believe that the questions need to be answered.

Wisdom is given to those whom it knows.Capher

[Koldar Mondrakken]

Oh, found it.

Ok, can anyone explain me the Netherworld concept. I think that is hell already!

Also, the concept of seven hells doesn't fit to Queprur who is the Goddess of Coldness, Silence and Death. Screaming Souls would annoy her.
Read the entry of Seyella. Queprur is only disconnecting the souls from the sphere of existance. Seyella is judging them and in the worst case eliminates from the world. Queprur has nothing to do with it. It is not important to her. That fits to her main task, killing anything someday.

Or am I completely wrong?

Koldar Mondrakken, Knight of the Moonlight

Edited by: Koldar Mondrakken at: 12/11/01 6:54:57 pm

[Capher]

Nope you are not wrong Koldar.

Wisdom is given to those whom it knows.Capher

[Tarquet Galbar]

Thanks Koldar, one of the screams had slipped past me. That was really what I thought would be the icing on the cake, that none of them could scream. Just make it all the more frustrating. But Salya doesn't judge and kill people, I never said that in there anywhere. Yes, she carries a sword, but it's a sword which takes their souls, just like removing them from the sphere of existence. Of course, it's common belief that she roughs you up with it first or something, but that's just belief, not truth. When it come to judging, she still doesn't do that, she just does what Queprur tells her to.

As to address Capher's question, there are some demons who don't live in the Underworld, at least not permanently, like the Gamosh-Ra. And there is something I left out that you reminded me of: The Underworld is surrounded by mountains, ravines, caves, and such like that where lesser demons that are not 'worthy' or not 'strong' enough to serve in one of the Rings live. The Chasm Demons are an example of this, though some of them are brought in to have rocks thrown at them and to shred the ones who have thrown them, on the appropriate layer. Still, most Chasm Demons live outside the Rings and are the most common ones summoned, although there are plenty of other demons to spare if you are strong enough to summon them. They wouldn't be missed, but if you aren't strong enough to control them they shred you and go back.

Tarquet Galbar, BeastMaster Of Santharia, He Who Rules The Animals.

Edited by: Tarquet Galbar at: 12/11/01 11:39:30 pm

[Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels]

Sorry to intervene again with you, but your concept doesn't fit to what I read in the entry about Quepur. There it is she who cuts the string of life/soul. And as Koldar said, the Netherworld (mentioned in the entry Netherbeasts) is something like hell. On the other side, if I have understood the concept right,then there is nothing like a hell for the souls (which I would prefer), but they get merely eliminated, or, are send back to the world. (entry Quepur) ????

"Don't be pushed by your problems.  Be led by your dreams."

[Tarquet Galbar]

Actually this is a place for souls, although it does make mention of bodies. The souls are given 'physical' form, merely to recieve their torment, although their actual bodies are not with them. Although, it could be possible that there are scary stories about some magic going awry and somehow teleporting to the Underworld, but all those here to be tormented, or the clerics of Queprur, are only in soul, but given a physical form so they can comprehend the feelings.

Tarquet Galbar, BeastMaster Of Santharia, He Who Rules The Animals.

[Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels]

Tarquet, I don't know how to say it, but Quepur living in the middle of your hell doesn't feel right for me. She is beautiful,  silent, cool, or better cold and I just can't imagine her in the middle of your(hot) inferno.
And she is not only the goddess who has to do with the unhappy souls who have to spent their live in your inferno, she deals with all who die, cuts the souls from everybody, the good ones as well.She is judicial and not interested in the fate of the souls. The goddess of destiny decides what will happen with them.
Death has nothing to do with punishment in the first place and connecting her with it seems not right to me.

I thought about if perhaps Etherus would be a better choice, but he is the favorite of Ava and the god of love, so you will get here problems as well.

Did you have a closer look already if there is a  Netherworld concept already, I didn't have the time to do it.

Please don't be cross with me now, you have put in this already such a lot of work, but I wouldn't miss a hell like you described it here in Santharia, it is no fun reading it for me.

"Don't be pushed by your problems.  Be led by your dreams."

[Koldar Mondrakken]

The screams were only a metapher, Tarquet!

Actually, Queprur wouldn't care about any of the souls, about any demon or anything else. If she'd be the only god on Sorren she'd kill anything to reestablish her idea of the world.

Luckily, she's not alone so she can only kill those who are meant to die. That are my own words so check teh Queprur and Seyella entry for details concerning the death belief.

Seyella is the goddess of destiny. I didn't mean Salya.

I fear your concept wouldn't fit into this existing scheme but maybe it would be an interesting structure for the Netherworlds themselves?
But Queprur as the mistress of hell is in my humble opinion not possible and I like the current god concept of her. She's not cruel but 'only' merciless.

Hope you understand! But as said as an outline for the demon worlds it might be interesting nevertheless.

Koldar Mondrakken, Knight of the Moonlight

Edited by: Koldar Mondrakken at: 12/12/01 11:52:47 pm

[Bard Judith]

Tarquet:  I'm sorry to sound as though I'm jumping on the bandwagon (and on your ideas) here...

but I was rather uncomfortable when I first read the description of your Netherworld....and wasn't sure how to say that courteously.  

So... please don't take this the wrong way.  Solely from my point of view, the demonology, detailed descriptions of torture, reinterpretations of the Inferno, and the other grisly information that's been built up so far - is not appropriate for the sort of world and cosmos that I visualize Aer'e'chan being.  Of course, I hasten to say that MY visualization is not the prime goal...I think Santharia and its developers needs to have room and tolerance for many different visions - and we need to realize that Artimidor is really the only one with the 'final' say....

Anyhow - if that's just me being too squeamish, I will gracefully concede, and bow to the will of the majority, or our Sage, whichever is appropriate.  But I did want to give you my opinion directly, because I was somewhat distressed by the Netherworld post.

Thank you for your time and your understanding...
Bard Judith

[Tarquet Galbar]

Alright, I give in! Mercy! *waves a white flag* Heh, oh well, as they say, "I tried, but it died." No love lost.

Tarquet Galbar, BeastMaster Of Santharia, He Who Rules The Animals.

[John Silvercryst]

What I think is, what's Art's opinion?  It sounds good, but sounds like the wrong Goddess.  I think the torture in it is alright (What's hell if it is full of fuzzie bunnies and thornless roses?), but that might be wrong for Art's idea for this.

You must go down before you go out.

[Greybark]

I think some aspects can be used....
IMHO:
1Dante's circles should be avoided.
2Soul torment: been done. I think its more interesting if they have to get out aboveground in order to feed.
3Underside of Santharia: good, I like.

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