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« on: 22 July 2004, 04:50:00 »

Here's a first sketch of the Northern Sarvonian forest background Faugar made for the picture for Drogo's ashmari barbarian.

Note: Faugar couldnt find any descriptions for the thorny black tree Drogo mentioned, but the other plantlife is here. - Maybe Drogo can make some specification here regarding the thorny bush.

I like the sketch:D   Looks very interesting, old and powerful:)  


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« Reply #1 on: 22 July 2004, 08:03:00 »

Maybe it is the arne_pheran_tree

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« Reply #2 on: 22 July 2004, 21:30:00 »

yep, the entry mentions a twisted variety in the Hovel Frond Forest.  Sorry for not clarifying it all.  Good job on figuring it out Talia, you deserve a cookie and a ribbon!  

Faugar it is looking good for a forest background, I can't wait to see the finished product.  For a Hovel Frond pic it would have to look creepier, hanging moss, twisted branches, etc.  ya know?  Also the exposed roots, should maybe be a little further apart and more off of the ground.  They seem squished right now.

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« Reply #3 on: 05 August 2004, 13:52:00 »

Here's Faugar's already pretty finished version of the Ashmari, the barbarian of the North...

Statement from Faugar: The background is finished, and the barbarian too - except of course for the tatoos. The blackmoss on the thorny Anean tree to the left, the nightshimmer vine on the Urban tree to the right, and a young one to the left also, and the Euwen trees in the background. Thorny bushes seemed somehow inappropriate here - those remind me more of a desert areas, and when reading the description for the Euwen tree forest, it said all that was on the ground was just moss.

I saw the previous version as well and I think the lighting is now a bit too dark (while the previous one was too light), so just tone it down a bit, I'd suggest. In general the picture looks very fine now, also the size of the barbarian was adjusted, this looks ok to me now... :D  Nice setting and pose, very well done Faugar! :nod

Though it will e.g. be impossible for me to zoom in on the blackmoss and get a Herbarium entry out of that part. Or the Anean Tree, which is the one to the utter left, right? (hmmm... why can't I find that one in the Herbarium?) The details on the moss are also problematic for a zoom in on it. But well, we can't have it all, eh? Urban Tree and Nightshimmer vine surely are well visible and usable at own entries.

So we'd basically still need some tatoo design proposals from Drogo to make the picture complete. I already wrote him a mail yesterday about the tatoos, but he seems busy these days. Well, we'll see.

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« Reply #4 on: 05 August 2004, 18:37:00 »

What?! No mushrooms?! :lol

Looks great as usual, Faugar :worship  The picture shows up rather dark on my screen though, but maybe it's my computer!  

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« Reply #5 on: 06 August 2004, 04:03:00 »

yeah, I have to lighten it a bit.
WHy isnt it possible to use this pic for the entry for the moss Arti? I know its not a botanical anatomy pic of the moss, but I thought it could be used.

which remionds me - I had this idea for a book picture, where we could draw the book, and then on the left the pics for the plants,armor/stuff, and on the right page there could be text/description. could be used with a scroll bar even. As a presentation for the compendium, you know? To make it all look like its all in one nice book? that would mean "pen" sketches/drawing, rather then illustrations for most part, tho color would be possible :)

let me know what you think


       
     
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« Reply #6 on: 06 August 2004, 04:52:00 »

Well, concerning the moss - the problem is the level of detail. Take a look e.g. at Isilhir's latest dragon picture - he has moss there as well, see here, on the left. This is easily recognizeable and a crop from there is pretty easy - an enlarged version is no problem either.

I tried for example to make a crop from the Dalferina flower in several sizes from the hobbit picture, but it doesn't look good enough zoomed in - the lack of details shows to clearly. I couldn't display an enlarged version either here. That's why e.g. at some pictures I only used the small pictures and didn't add an enlarged version as long as they still look ok to display. It's just a different approach on drawing the pictures - you made complete pictures with characters and full backgrounds, and at certain parts the details are a bit reduced of course, that's quite natural. Quellion took much longer for the Tandala background as he had planned the higher amount of details, though we will need to reuse backgrounds (as you could already see at the Brownie picture - this is an already existing background). So yeah, whenever possible I try to use the picture parts, but here and there I'd need a tad more - maybe e.g. at the Dalferina some more details could still be added with some grass being drawn more clearly, otherwise you see the brush strokes too strong if we use a full zoom-in.

Book idea: Well, that's not as easy as it sounds. First of all I don't know precisely how you'd see the navigation - would you still use ths scroll on the right for example and just have the entries displayed in the book? - On the other hand you need to be aware that screen resolution is a major problem. There's a reason for example why the cookery book opens in a new window, as I then have the exact measurements. If we'd display a book in the mainframe this also reduces space, and the resizing needs to work so that the backgrounds of the border parts and the book backgrounds still look ok when resizing. All very tricky. We have made some things with a similar principle though, see e.g. the Mira'Shijm runes (this page looks a bit out of date now, though, but the principle would be the same). - Also what this page shows is that it doesn't really fit too well to the design of the rest of the site - and if we have a Herbarium for example this why, other sections look different, so there's a bigger problem.


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« Reply #7 on: 06 August 2004, 04:53:00 »

I had some similar thoughts concerning the armory but it still a terrible lot of work, maybe worth it?

A friend from university did this website a month ago in such a style as his final presentation for a website project there. Not much content ;)    but you might get the idea. Navigation works via the upper right corner of the book, well he did it only two to three days:

www.fh-augsburg.de/~krix/scribbles1.htm

The thing would be probably really to gear the content for such a presentation to be manageable. I doubt the whole Compendium would fit into that but maybe a summary of it for rpg-gamers., don't know...


Great picture of a beardy, naked man, indeed, if not a bit dark but maybe it's better that way for my little psyche! ;)  


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« Reply #8 on: 06 August 2004, 10:59:00 »

:noidea  @ Koldar's remark about his psyche not being able to handle a picture of a hairy naked barbarian.

@ Arti - I see. just one question - what do you mean by "zooming in"? Is that cropping the image from the original 1400x2000 pixrls one, or enlarging it still?


       
     
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« Reply #9 on: 06 August 2004, 12:11:00 »

Well, I just meant to use a crop of the picture where you can see e.g. the plant as good as possible. I don't enlarge the crop further, though. The complete pictures are usually drawn in in much larger size, so when you reduce the size to standard Santharian format they look perfect. However, when you show only a part of the picture without diminishing its size, then of course the detail level would also need to be a bit higher, so that it comes across perfectly. Here and there this problem isn't that obvious, but e.g. at the Alinfa (or here at the moss) a crop used directly at the entry would look too rough - know what I mean?


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« Reply #10 on: 06 August 2004, 16:49:00 »

It does need to be a little lighter.  MY pysche doesn't have any problems with hairy naked barbarians, no indeed!:D  

Nice muscle definition on the guy, very Conan. If you'd made him blond,  it could be Drogo himself! :lol  

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« Reply #11 on: 06 August 2004, 18:16:00 »

I'm sorry, i should have been more precise. He simply reminds me of the guy I always see in the mirror with his hairy legs and stuff. ;)  


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« Reply #12 on: 07 August 2004, 03:20:00 »

:lol
:rollin

now I get it.. yeah... well - you have to remember - when an artist paints/draws something, there is ALWAYS a bit of him/her in his/her work.. ;)  


       
     
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« Reply #13 on: 07 August 2004, 04:25:00 »

Maybe you've grown a full beard now while doing this picture, Faugar, eh? :lol  


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« Reply #14 on: 07 August 2004, 06:00:00 »

well, yeah, I have a beard, whoch is of corse something Dala loathes with all her heart, so I'm not sure I'd be able to attend next year. Think of the savings tho! no shaving soap, and all those crappy one use razor blades to buy, and the time saved!... Ah.. if we still were living in the good old times when looks didnt matter and people could be artists for real.. sigh. :b  


       
     
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