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Koldar Mondrakken
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« on: 09 June 2002, 05:01:00 »

I'm not sure but maybe simplifying the spelling of the Elven language might be something to consider?

I'm not sure but currently it contains not only the phonetics which is normally sufficient to write and read a word but also the accents of how to speak it and apostrophes as "word-markers" that only shows the origin of all parts of a word.

At least the latter makes for a very distorted look of the language and makes it a pain to read and write. Or do you speak every word within combined words like Fá'áv'cál'âr
seperately? That is what the apostrophes suggest so I'd consider replacing it somehow that the word can be spoken as one word: Fáávcálâr.

Now the second problem. There are a way too much accents up there! :)
Either the pronounciation of a word follows a certain scheme or it follows a certain scheme with some exceptions. Only in the later case accents must remain as markers for the right pronounciation.
I've gone through the Styrásh principles and there it seems to be pretty covered so why abuse every word for it as well. That's a rather unnatural way of writting things.

Anyway I'm mainly giving this thought as it seems to me "useless" in the sense that you put more information into a word than the actual native of the language would need to decipher it right. That's not a natural way of writing it and makes it difficult for me and obviously many others to at least write it right.

In the example of Fá'áv'cál'âr (assuming to let go of the apostrophes completely) it would be interesting to develop
a scheme how to resolve conflicts like áá and such.



I know that might be only my thought about it might be something useful to the development to the language...

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« Reply #1 on: 09 June 2002, 05:37:00 »

Don't know, has anyone too much time because creating a catalog of all existing words sorted by topic might be a good way to figure out holes in the dictionary as well.

Somehow sorted by:

NOUNS AND ADJECTIVES
Nature:
...
Abstract/Religion:
...
Social:
...

VERBS
working:
...
eating:
...
going:
...

...


Something like that would be good I guess for developing Styrásh further. Don't ask me why these ideas came to my mind, I don't know either... ;)

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« Reply #2 on: 09 June 2002, 06:59:00 »

*Looks at Koldar in disgust*

Are you quite mad?

But he has a point. There's an awful lot of animals on the board with styrash names that need to go in, as for getting rid of apostrophes - NO WAY. I've only just learnt how to spell Fá'áv'cál'âr. I'm not having it changed now.

The scary thing is that I have the most time, and am also probably one of the candidates who really should learn to use the language properly. Which gives me the icky feeling that whatever needs doing will probably be done by me *shudders*

One problem I have with Styrash as it stands is that I have trouble getting from one form of the verb to another. For example to Rise is dalán. But how would I write Rising, or in the past tense Rose? This may be in the principles already, but being fairly terrible at grammar that is different from English, I don't get it!


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« Reply #3 on: 09 June 2002, 07:08:00 »

The question about Fá'áv'cál'âr and similar is if its spelling makes sense? After all apostrophes only seem to mark the origins of this word but the elves now use it as one, new word so it does not make much sense in this context to keep the apostrophes(I know the above example is a name but same would apply there).

In German this merging of words is quite common and the above problem is that you have many short words (only two or three letters) that make the whole thing look very fragmentary while I think Elves would speak fluently and not close to epilepsy.

Sorry, I'm currently working on a language on my own that is why I come to such disgusting question that can only bring you, Wren, into trouble! ;)  

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« Reply #4 on: 09 June 2002, 10:41:00 »

*kicks Koldar*

Shush you!


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« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2002, 01:31:00 »

well, from what I know of French ( being an Idiot American who only passed one semester of French I) When two vowels come together, they knock one out and let the word being described keep its vowel. I think. So..

 Fá'áv'cál'âr would kind of become  F'áv'cál'âr
Or we could go even further and smash a complicated word down also according to sound...

 F'áv'cl'âr (fuh-av-clar)

This would make it a tad easier to write, and easier to actually speak. Though mashing the words does lose the Elven elegance, but perhaps this could be the more Modern Styrash, as I believe someone was speaking of in another thread.

Am I making any sense? I mean... I hope my speaking out makes some sense... I don't want to be just yammering for no reason...

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