Welcome
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
Did you miss your
activation email?
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Notifications & Notes
Dreamer's Code
Bellring a Member
Report Mistakes/Typos
Report Easter Eggs
Masterplans/Projects
About Masterplans
Santhworld: Program
SW.: Game Designer
SW.: Treasure Shoals
SW.: Lorehold
SW.: Nepris
SW.: Trivia
Santharia: Manthria
Nybelmar: Zhunite Pl.
Sarvonia: Icelands
Dev Maps
World Map Overview
Distances in Caelereth
Climate Map of Sarvonia
Continent: Aeruillin
Continent: Akdor
Continent: Cyhalloi
Continent: Nybelmar
Continent: +Details NE
Continent: +Details NW
Continent: +Details SE
Continent: +Details SW
Continent: +Politics
Continent: Sarvonia
Lands: Icelands
Lands: +Tribes
Lands: Caael'heroth
Lands: Iol Peninsula
Lands: Kanapans
Lands: Kuglim Lands
Kingdom: Santharia
Kingdom: +Ancient
Kingdom: +Provinces
Kingdom: +Rivers
Kingdom: +Routes
Details: Manthria
Details: Vardýnn
Details: Ráhaz-Dáth
Details: Silvermarshes
Entry Templates
Create Beasts
Create Plants
Create Races/Tribes
Create People
People Nomenclature
Create Places
Create Gods, Myths...
Create Spells/Magic
Create Library Entries
Create Misc. Stuff
Picture Resources
Reserving Resources
Arbaon Pictures
Bard Judith Pictures
Eratin Pictures
Faugar Pictures
Grunok's Pictures
Ingeborg Pictures
Isilhir Pictures
Koldar Pictures
Linda Tso Pictures
Quellion Pictures
Quellion Pictures II
Shayan's Pictures
Seeker Pictures
Sheil Pictures
Sheil Pictures II
Language Additions
Proverbs & Sayings
Styrásh (Elvish)
Thergerim (Dwarvish)
Kuglimz'Seitre
Kh'omchr'om (Orcish)
Trollish
Santharian Development
 
Forum
 
Santharian World Development
 
Languages and Runes
 
Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
Pages:
1
2
[
3
]
4
Author
Topic: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here! (Read 101570 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Deklitch Hardin
Santh. Member
Gained Aura: 103
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1.758
Elf friend
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #30 on:
25 April 2012, 11:10:09 »
Yes you are, and good job Ishy!
I find it scary that I was here when those posts were first made ... or at least I'm sure I was ... I find it hard to believe I've been around for 3 years
Logged
"And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, because there's none at all down here on Earth." - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
Artimidor Federkiel
Administrator
Gained Aura: 538
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 23.091
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #31 on:
26 April 2012, 03:23:51 »
Yeah, some people have a tendency to disappear after a few posts - and when the master dealing with a certain issue is away not much will happen with it... Anyway, would be good to have a confirmed list of vocabulary which is ok with you to be added to the
Troll race entry
. If we manage to get some more we might even move it from the main entry to the language section the way with have it with Thergerim Taal and Styrásh.
Logged
"Between the mind that plans and the hands that build there must be a mediator, and this must be the heart."
-- Maria (Metropolis)
ishmaelion
Aspiring Member
Gained Aura: 10
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 315
Ishmaelion the philosopher
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #32 on:
26 April 2012, 03:27:25 »
Well, let's get cracking then! I'll work on the list as soon as possible, nice to try pronouncing new TRULTRUL words again
«
Last Edit: 04 May 2012, 04:16:54 by ishmaelion
»
Logged
Mi a welaf gwr
gwelaf fi y paladr
angheu a ofnaf fi
mi a ddifferaf fy merch
cwyddaf
ishmaelion
Aspiring Member
Gained Aura: 10
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 315
Ishmaelion the philosopher
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #33 on:
04 May 2012, 04:17:13 »
Well, this might take somewhat longer than anticipated, as the list by Harver forces me to clarify more aspects of TRULTRUL then I had envisioned in my first list. I'll think on it some more and post a more thorough word-list PLUS description of the language and its role in Troll society! (If that is okay)
Logged
Mi a welaf gwr
gwelaf fi y paladr
angheu a ofnaf fi
mi a ddifferaf fy merch
cwyddaf
Artimidor Federkiel
Administrator
Gained Aura: 538
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 23.091
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #34 on:
04 May 2012, 04:45:15 »
Of course it is, Ishmaelion, even better!
Logged
"Between the mind that plans and the hands that build there must be a mediator, and this must be the heart."
-- Maria (Metropolis)
ishmaelion
Aspiring Member
Gained Aura: 10
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 315
Ishmaelion the philosopher
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #35 on:
09 May 2012, 02:02:20 »
I put a description of the Trollish language as I imagined it in a new thread so that this one can remain purely based on vocabulary.
I am looking forward to your ideas and comments!
Logged
Mi a welaf gwr
gwelaf fi y paladr
angheu a ofnaf fi
mi a ddifferaf fy merch
cwyddaf
Val O´Neil
Santh. Member
Gained Aura: 33
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 260
Flutterby Oddity
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #36 on:
29 May 2012, 16:17:23 »
I am looking to name the hills in which the Snow Trolls live on the northernmost mainland island of Cyhalloi in TRULTRUL, but I don't really know where to start with this crazy language. As it is right now, the hills are called Rolling Snows, but since the trolls are the only ones living there, I figure they should be the ones naming the place.
Vesk suggested to me IGMESHKLOIGH, which I guess would be "snow mountain", but the hills aren't really mountains. They're just really big hills that shift around like sand dunes in the desert. Any suggestions that you may have for me would be greatly appreciated.
Also, is there a TRULTRUL word for land / island?
Thankyou bunches!
«
Last Edit: 29 May 2012, 16:31:38 by Val O´Neil
»
Logged
Developement Schedule
Nature is our wildest home. It includes the oceans that provide our rain, the trees that give us air to breathe, the ancestral habitats we shared with countless kinds of animals that now exist only by our sufferance or under our heel.
-Edward Hoagland
ishmaelion
Aspiring Member
Gained Aura: 10
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 315
Ishmaelion the philosopher
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #37 on:
29 May 2012, 23:57:12 »
I'll get back to you on that this evening!
Logged
Mi a welaf gwr
gwelaf fi y paladr
angheu a ofnaf fi
mi a ddifferaf fy merch
cwyddaf
Val O´Neil
Santh. Member
Gained Aura: 33
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 260
Flutterby Oddity
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #38 on:
30 May 2012, 07:31:45 »
I look forward to seeing what you come up with, Ishmaelion.
Logged
Developement Schedule
Nature is our wildest home. It includes the oceans that provide our rain, the trees that give us air to breathe, the ancestral habitats we shared with countless kinds of animals that now exist only by our sufferance or under our heel.
-Edward Hoagland
ishmaelion
Aspiring Member
Gained Aura: 10
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 315
Ishmaelion the philosopher
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #39 on:
30 May 2012, 08:05:11 »
Okay Val! I am working on more vocab for TRULTRUL these days and your question gave me another opportunity to think of more evil-sounding words
What do you think of this: making the trollish distinction between plain - mountain - water apparant in lexical form and then extrapolate the other types of land-phenomena (i.e. hils, islands, canyons, etc.) based on that.
Plain, field = SLOGH
Mountain = KLOIGH
Water = SLOSH
Lake, river = SLOSHSLOSH
Hill = KLOIGHSNI 'little mountain'
Snowy hill = KLOIGHSNIMESH with plural KLOIGHKLOIGHSNIMESH
Island = SLOGHSLOSH 'watery plain'
Canyon = SLOGHKRAH 'broken plain'
So your answer would be KLOIGHKLOIGHSNIMESH ('little white mountains') for the placename, which is, I admit, pretty long. But then again, Trolls don't really deal in place-names so they would be very simple about what they mean without paying attention to language esthetics or ease.
Agree?
P.s. I really need to write a grammar part on Trollish vocabulary, there really is a system there as I am discovering. More will follow!
Logged
Mi a welaf gwr
gwelaf fi y paladr
angheu a ofnaf fi
mi a ddifferaf fy merch
cwyddaf
Val O´Neil
Santh. Member
Gained Aura: 33
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 260
Flutterby Oddity
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #40 on:
31 May 2012, 07:59:59 »
KLOIGHKLOIGHSNIMESH is odd for a place name, and admittedly a little long. But I've seen names that are almost just as long, in R'unor example: Hylph'xan'ian'kroi Mountains is pretty long.
I'm not sure what I expected-...
Actually, I'm pretty sure this exactly what I expected. Thank you for your time, Ishmaelion.
Wait, if KLOIGHSNI is "little mountain" or "hill", and to make something plural you repeat it, then wouldn't a plural of it be KLOIGHSNIKLOIGHSNIMESH?
SLOGHSLOSH... Hehehe. Oddly, it does sound a lot like Folasch when spoken aloud. Hm... Sloghslosh....
Would "KLOIGHSLOSH" be waterfall then?
Logged
Developement Schedule
Nature is our wildest home. It includes the oceans that provide our rain, the trees that give us air to breathe, the ancestral habitats we shared with countless kinds of animals that now exist only by our sufferance or under our heel.
-Edward Hoagland
Azhira Styralias
Santh. Member
Gained Aura: 132
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 2.774
Mód’dél’áey
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #41 on:
31 May 2012, 22:03:55 »
Why not have a shortened version of the mountains that would be known by humans? Surely the geography is known by other names than solely TRULTRUL. I can tell you many examples of orcen names shortened or bastardized by the human Kuglimz or Kaaer.
It might be easier for future entries to refer to the shortened/human name rather than a huge TRULTRUL name
Logged
No, I would not want to live in a world without dragons, as I would not want to live in a world without magic, for that is a world without mystery, and that is a world without faith. And that, I fear, for any reasoning, conscious being, would be the cruelest trick of all.
Development Schedule
Mina
Santh. Member
Gained Aura: 63
Offline
Posts: 2.833
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #42 on:
31 May 2012, 22:38:15 »
As Vesk mentioned in the Ghereghut thread, the Snow Trolls probably speak a different language. If TRULTRUL names are being applied to the Snow Trolls, they are most likely constructed by researchers based on what they know of TRULTRUL, rather than the names the Snow Trolls actually use. It's not too implausible, considering that trolls in general aren't very approachable.
Or, if you want the name to actually be something the Snow Trolls use, there's always the option of just making something up. After all, their language hasn't been described yet, so there's probably no danger of contradicting existing material.
Quote
Why not have a shortened version of the mountains that would be known by humans? Surely the geography is known by other names than solely TRULTRUL. I can tell you many examples of orcen names shortened or bastardized by the human Kuglimz or Kaaer.
This is also a very good idea. I'm pretty sure this is something that happens in real life too. It would also impose fewer restrictions on anyone who might want to develop the Snow Troll's language in the future, since differences could be explained away as humans being unable to pronounce the trollish name properly.
Logged
~~
Development Schedule & Notes
•
Santharian Timeline Draft
~~
Val O´Neil
Santh. Member
Gained Aura: 33
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 260
Flutterby Oddity
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #43 on:
31 May 2012, 23:52:20 »
I'll probably still have it called the Rolling Snows by the humans of the area. But I wanted a name for it by the people that actually live there. And I'm actually considering renaming the island itself something TRULTRUL sounding, since I will no longer have the Sabuin people there. Snishlosh or some kind of perversion of Slogslosh and their word for snow.
I don't really have time to get too far into this at the moment, as I have to leave for work. I'll post more later.
Logged
Developement Schedule
Nature is our wildest home. It includes the oceans that provide our rain, the trees that give us air to breathe, the ancestral habitats we shared with countless kinds of animals that now exist only by our sufferance or under our heel.
-Edward Hoagland
Val O´Neil
Santh. Member
Gained Aura: 33
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 260
Flutterby Oddity
Re: Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
«
Reply #44 on:
05 June 2012, 07:52:18 »
I understand what you mean, Azhira, and I appreciate and will apply your suggestion. Though the point isn't to make it easy, it's to have the proper names as named in the world by the inhabitants. So that if I do decide on a bastardization of the name by the humans, I can base the perversion off of the actual name instead of solely going off of the name-trend that the race/tribe renaming it has going.
The main reason I want to use TRULTRUL to name these hills, and maybe a few other areas on that particular island, is because they are the only sentient inhabitants living there that aren't of myth/lore. So, since they mainly live on that island, I figure that they would have names for different general areas of it to communicate to each other that- "Hey, lets go troll around all trolly like in the Rolling Hills today and see what we can nom-nom." I mean, I assume that trolls have conversations with each other just like any other sentient being does, even if they're not very deep or meaningful ones.
I'm going to start with a list of words I am going to use as a base, already supplied by Ishmaelion in this thread. After which, I am going to list the tharian name I currently have for the place, coupled with my suggestions for a the Troll's place-name and the bastardization of of said name.
GHEREGH = Cave, home, house, dwelling
IGHMESH = Snow (lit. white stone)
HAMESH = Ice, quartz (literally, 'hard white')
SLOGH = Plain, field
SLOSH = Water
SLOSHSLOSH = Lake, river
SLOGHSLOSH = Island, 'watery plain'
SNI = Small
GH = Being (untranslatable literally. Has the connotation of 'sentience' or 'living'. Animals and some plants can be described with the GH syllable.)
KLOIGH = Mountain
KLOIGHSNI = Hill
SLOGHKRAH = Canyon
Folasch
IGHMESHGHEREGHSLOGHSLOSH. Snowy Home Island.
IGHMESH- Just go with MESH
GHEREGH... REGH
SLOGH... SLOSH...
name suggestions:
MESHREGH SLOGSH
REGHMESH
GREGHMESH
GHEREGHSLOGSH
SLOGRESH
Rolling Snows
KLOIGHKLOIGHSNIMESH. Little White Mountains. Snowy Hills.
name suggestions
MESHGH or GHMESH - Living snow
Alright. That's all I got. :/ I've been thinking and working on this for the past few days now and that's all I've come up with....
Ishmaelion, I noticed in your list of words that MOSH means Animals. But then MOSHMOSH means Food. But at the bottom it says that to make a word a plural you repeat it. So MOSHMOSH would mean Animals
and
Food?
Logged
Developement Schedule
Nature is our wildest home. It includes the oceans that provide our rain, the trees that give us air to breathe, the ancestral habitats we shared with countless kinds of animals that now exist only by our sufferance or under our heel.
-Edward Hoagland
Pages:
1
2
[
3
]
4
Santharian Development
 
Forum
 
Santharian World Development
 
Languages and Runes
 
Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Organization and General Discussions
-----------------------------
=> Santharian Site Administration
===> Announcements and Web Design
===> Santharian Team Projects
=====> Active Projects
=====> Completed Projects
=====> Project Proposals
===> Organizational Schedules
===> Development Master Plans
===> Bell-Ringing - Notifications to Developers
=> Newbie Information, Joining Requests and Recruitment
=> Discussions, Development Ideas & Proposals
===> General Santharian Discussions
===> Continent Specific Discussions
=====> The Southern Sarvonian Continent
=====> The Northern Sarvonian Continent
=====> The Continent of Aeruillin
=====> The Continent of Nybelmar
=> Non-Santharian Stuff: Life, the Universe & Everything
-----------------------------
Santharian World Development
-----------------------------
=> Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources
=> The Santharian Bestiary
=> The Santharian Herbarium
=> Races, Tribes and Clans
===> Brownie Development
=> People of the World of Caelereth
=> Places and Map Design
=> History of Caelereth
=> Cosmology, Myths and Religions
=> Magic in the Lands of Caelereth
=> Languages and Runes
=> The Santharian Library
=> Miscellaneous
-----------------------------
Santharian Game Projects
-----------------------------
=> General Game Discussions & Newbie Area
=> RPG Development Scheduling
=> Maps, Dialogues & Room Descriptions
=> RPG Adventure Programming
Help, I'm a Newbie!
About this Board
Dev Introduction
Developer's 1x1
Technical Forum Stuff
Advanced Forum Help
Testing Thread
Where's the game?
Search
Advanced search
Recent
Winter's Flame candle
by
lolanixon
[27 March 2019, 00:01:57]
WANTED: Beta readers / comic fantasy
by
Artimidor Federkiel
[21 June 2018, 14:28:00]
Gollum Pic
by
Erutan Argon
[31 May 2017, 06:35:55]
Islands of Doranthakar, Southern Sarvonia
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[06 May 2017, 05:27:04]
Am I too late?
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[03 April 2017, 01:15:03]
Centaur Picture
by
Noksz
[26 March 2017, 12:48:25]
The Guilds & Orders of New-Santhala
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[15 March 2017, 02:23:07]
The History of New-Santhala
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[15 March 2017, 02:20:28]
The Districts of New-Santhala
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[15 March 2017, 02:17:52]
New-Santhala, Sangui Province, Southern Sarvonia
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[14 March 2017, 20:23:43]
The High Fores picture
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[06 February 2017, 04:53:35]
The High Fores, Vardynn Province, Southern Santharia
by
Seeker
[31 January 2017, 08:45:52]
The Black Flame
by
landon
[15 December 2016, 15:50:49]
Tales of Monsonius: That Fiend of Mine
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[26 November 2016, 23:16:38]
Site Update 10-10-2016
by
Felsid Greytunnel
[27 October 2016, 07:42:01]
The Santhran Lysmarin Hammerfeld
by
Artimidor Federkiel
[27 September 2016, 18:51:05]
Armelite
by
Artimidor Federkiel
[11 September 2016, 23:17:33]
Blazebushel Moss
by
Artimidor Federkiel
[11 September 2016, 23:15:27]
Lightmoss
by
Artimidor Federkiel
[11 September 2016, 22:58:56]
Search feature troubles
by
Artimidor Federkiel
[03 September 2016, 22:22:23]
Stats
Members
Total Members: 1019
Latest:
lolanixon
Stats
Total Posts: 144589
Total Topics: 11052
Online Today: 32
Online Ever: 700
(23 January 2020, 20:05:39)
Users Online
Users: 0
Guests: 26
Total: 26