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[Deklitch Hardin]

Yes you are, and good job Ishy!

I find it scary that I was here when those posts were first made ... or at least I'm sure I was ... I find it hard to believe I've been around for 3 years

[Artimidor Federkiel]

Yeah, some people have a tendency to disappear after a few posts - and when the master dealing with a certain issue is away not much will happen with it... Anyway, would be good to have a confirmed list of vocabulary which is ok with you to be added to the Troll race entry. If we manage to get some more we might even move it from the main entry to the language section the way with have it with Thergerim Taal and Styrásh.

[ishmaelion]

Well, let's get cracking then! I'll work on the list as soon as possible, nice to try pronouncing new TRULTRUL words again

[ishmaelion]

Well, this might take somewhat longer than anticipated, as the list by Harver forces me to clarify more aspects of TRULTRUL then I had envisioned in my first list. I'll think on it some more and post a more thorough word-list PLUS description of the language and its role in Troll society! (If that is okay)

[Artimidor Federkiel]

Of course it is, Ishmaelion, even better!

[ishmaelion]

I put a description of the Trollish language as I imagined it in a new thread so that this one can remain purely based on vocabulary.

I am looking forward to your ideas and comments!

[Val O´Neil]

I am looking to name the hills in which the Snow Trolls live on the northernmost mainland island of Cyhalloi in TRULTRUL, but I don't really know where to start with this crazy language. As it is right now, the hills are called Rolling Snows, but since the trolls are the only ones living there, I figure they should be the ones naming the place.

Vesk suggested to me IGMESHKLOIGH, which I guess would be "snow mountain", but the hills aren't really mountains. They're just really big hills that shift around like sand dunes in the desert. Any suggestions that you may have for me would be greatly appreciated.

Also, is there a TRULTRUL word for land / island?

Thankyou bunches!

[ishmaelion]

I'll get back to you on that this evening!

[Val O´Neil]

I look forward to seeing what you come up with, Ishmaelion.

[ishmaelion]

Okay Val! I am working on more vocab for TRULTRUL these days and your question gave me another opportunity to think of more evil-sounding words

What do you think of this: making the trollish distinction between plain - mountain - water apparant in lexical form and then extrapolate the other types of land-phenomena (i.e. hils, islands, canyons, etc.) based on that.

Plain, field = SLOGH
Mountain   = KLOIGH
Water        = SLOSH
Lake, river = SLOSHSLOSH 
Hill             = KLOIGHSNI 'little mountain'
Snowy hill  = KLOIGHSNIMESH with plural KLOIGHKLOIGHSNIMESH
Island        = SLOGHSLOSH 'watery plain'
Canyon     = SLOGHKRAH 'broken plain'

So your answer would be KLOIGHKLOIGHSNIMESH ('little white mountains') for the placename, which is, I admit, pretty long. But then again, Trolls don't really deal in place-names so they would be very simple about what they mean without paying attention to language esthetics or ease.

Agree?

P.s. I really need to write a grammar part on Trollish vocabulary, there really is a system there as I am discovering. More will follow!

[Val O´Neil]

KLOIGHKLOIGHSNIMESH is odd for a place name, and admittedly a little long. But I've seen names that are almost just as long, in R'unor example: Hylph'xan'ian'kroi Mountains is pretty long.

I'm not sure what I expected-...    Actually, I'm pretty sure this exactly what I expected. Thank you for your time, Ishmaelion.

Wait, if KLOIGHSNI is "little mountain" or "hill", and to make something plural you repeat it, then wouldn't a plural of it be KLOIGHSNIKLOIGHSNIMESH?

SLOGHSLOSH... Hehehe. Oddly, it does sound a lot like Folasch when spoken aloud. Hm... Sloghslosh....

Would "KLOIGHSLOSH" be waterfall then?

[Azhira Styralias]

Why not have a shortened version of the mountains that would be known by humans? Surely the geography is known by other names than solely TRULTRUL. I can tell you many examples of orcen names shortened or bastardized by the human Kuglimz or Kaaer.

It might be easier for future entries to refer to the shortened/human name rather than a huge TRULTRUL name

[Mina]

As Vesk mentioned in the Ghereghut thread, the Snow Trolls probably speak a different language.  If TRULTRUL names are being applied to the Snow Trolls, they are most likely constructed by researchers based on what they know of TRULTRUL, rather than the names the Snow Trolls actually use.  It's not too implausible, considering that trolls in general aren't very approachable. 

Or, if you want the name to actually be something the Snow Trolls use, there's always the option of just making something up.  After all, their language hasn't been described yet, so there's probably no danger of contradicting existing material. 

Why not have a shortened version of the mountains that would be known by humans? Surely the geography is known by other names than solely TRULTRUL. I can tell you many examples of orcen names shortened or bastardized by the human Kuglimz or Kaaer.

This is also a very good idea.  I'm pretty sure this is something that happens in real life too.  It would also impose fewer restrictions on anyone who might want to develop the Snow Troll's language in the future, since differences could be explained away as humans being unable to pronounce the trollish name properly. 

[Val O´Neil]

I'll probably still have it called the Rolling Snows by the humans of the area. But I wanted a name for it by the people that actually live there. And I'm actually considering renaming the island itself something TRULTRUL sounding, since I will no longer have the Sabuin people there. Snishlosh or some kind of perversion of Slogslosh and their word for snow.

I don't really have time to get too far into this at the moment, as I have to leave for work. I'll post more later.

[Val O´Neil]

I understand what you mean, Azhira, and I appreciate and will apply your suggestion. Though the point isn't to make it easy, it's to have the proper names as named in the world by the inhabitants. So that if I do decide on a bastardization of the name by the humans, I can base the perversion off of the actual name instead of solely going off of the name-trend that the race/tribe renaming it has going.

The main reason I want to use TRULTRUL to name these hills, and maybe a few other areas on that particular island, is because they are the only sentient inhabitants living there that aren't of myth/lore. So, since they mainly live on that island, I figure that they would have names for different general areas of it to communicate to each other that- "Hey, lets go troll around all trolly like in the Rolling Hills today and see what we can nom-nom." I mean, I assume that trolls have conversations with each other just like any other sentient being does, even if they're not very deep or meaningful ones.

I'm going to start with a list of words I am going to use as a base, already supplied by Ishmaelion in this thread. After which, I am going to list the tharian name I currently have for the place, coupled with my suggestions for a the Troll's place-name and the bastardization of of said name.

GHEREGH = Cave, home, house, dwelling
IGHMESH = Snow (lit. white stone)
HAMESH = Ice, quartz (literally, 'hard white')
SLOGH = Plain, field
SLOSH = Water
SLOSHSLOSH = Lake, river
SLOGHSLOSH = Island, 'watery plain'
SNI = Small
GH = Being (untranslatable literally. Has the connotation of 'sentience' or 'living'. Animals and some plants can be described with the GH syllable.)
KLOIGH = Mountain
KLOIGHSNI = Hill
SLOGHKRAH = Canyon

Folasch
IGHMESHGHEREGHSLOGHSLOSH. Snowy Home Island.
IGHMESH- Just go with MESH
GHEREGH... REGH
SLOGH... SLOSH...

name suggestions:
MESHREGH SLOGSH
REGHMESH
GREGHMESH
GHEREGHSLOGSH
SLOGRESH

Rolling Snows
KLOIGHKLOIGHSNIMESH. Little White Mountains. Snowy Hills.

name suggestions
MESHGH   or   GHMESH  -  Living snow

Alright. That's all I got. :/   I've been thinking and working on this for the past few days now and that's all I've come up with....

Ishmaelion, I noticed in your list of words that MOSH means Animals. But then MOSHMOSH means Food. But at the bottom it says that to make a word a plural you repeat it. So MOSHMOSH would mean Animals and Food?

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