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« Reply #165 on: 21 September 2011, 11:29:16 »

és (prep.) "into"
uím (m.) "us"
dorán (v.) “to beat (as in a drum)”
cásh (m.) “wave”
kelshár (f.) “cliff”
ýn (p.) “as”
welán (v.) “to shift”
bavmár (f.) “tide”
vaéy (m.) “cycle”
peldrán (v.) “to move (trans.)”
avaéf (f.) “oneness; quality or condition of being one”
katréy (m.) “storm”
katrán (f.) “to storm”
nareuá (f.) “becoming”
dól (m.) “drop”
quóc (m.) “distinct/discreet”
sharél (f.) “moment”
dré (adv.) “then”
zilshán (v.) “to merge”
keréth (adj.) “vast”
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« Reply #166 on: 21 September 2011, 18:14:48 »

Hm, I'm not entirely sure we need object pronouns, since we could probably just inflect the pronouns for accusative case, eg. iuthim "me; iuithian "us".  Then again, it does make sense for such commonly used words to eventually be eroded into unanalyzable forms.  

Perhaps -ef (from avaef) and -eua (from nareua) can become more general suffixes?  

ava-ef = quality/condition of being one
Therefore maybe X-ef = quality/condition of being X, where X is any adjective?  
eg. carain "proud" -> carainef "pride"?

Similarly, since you seem to have gotten nareua by applying a -eua ending to naran "become", maybe -eua could be a general way to convert verbs into gerunds?  So then we could say something like:

tae-si-ti               sys  waeshhaj-thian     sa               them-eua  sah            dar-ias
cover-PAST-3SG  two year-ACC.Fem.PL  the.Fem.SG  fortify-eua the.Fem.PL town-GEN.Fem.PL
"The fortifying of the towns took two years"
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« Reply #167 on: 22 September 2011, 03:04:41 »

The objective pronoun was actually something developed by Falethas here. I think when developing these forms it's good to keep in mind that, at its heart, language is meant to be used. Having complicated, long, or difficult-to-pronounce words which are used rather frequently may not be practical.

I like the idea of having morpheme suffixes, though I worry that we may be working against 13 years of relatively haphazard vocabulary creation. This is not to say that these ideas can't be integrated, but it's important to keep in mind that there are words, like those below, that may either need to be changed or else listed as exceptions.

Let me know your thoughts, or if you have any solutions!

géf = fork
inéf = permanence (may work; ín=permanent)
léf = weak/feeble
theméf = fortification
ythréf = poison

inerá = rigidity
lytherá = poem
merá = vanity
raugierá = purity
shenerá = novelty
úlintherá = oak
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« Reply #168 on: 22 September 2011, 03:49:20 »

Well, all languages have irregularities; nothing wrong with having some exceptions.  There's even some pattern to the words you listed, which suggests an older way of doing the same thing that hasn't entirely disappeared yet.  It reminds me a little of English plurals, actually. 
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« Reply #169 on: 28 September 2011, 04:33:20 »

Quick question: I was told long ago that a circumflex (eg. in "ê") represented a long vowel.  Is this still true?  If so, how is the long version of "è" written? 
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« Reply #170 on: 28 September 2011, 04:41:37 »

Uhm... Don't know where the long vowel thing was decided, but that might be so. All I know is that, quoted from the Principles page:

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The letter è is pronounced as ö (as in german "öffnen") or as oe (as in French "oeuvre").

But there's no long version for any of these letters in German and in French, so I'd say we don't have that in Styrásh either. In German for example the length probably depends on the following letters, e.g. in "öffnen" is pronounced short, because there's a double "f" following.
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« Reply #171 on: 28 September 2011, 04:57:00 »

I think you told me that during that one voice chat we had several years back, but I don't really remember anymore.  If there isn't a length distinction though, what do circumflexes represent? 

In any case, they do seem very rare.  Looking at the dictionary, the only one I could find was in "fênán".  Besides that, the only one I can think of is in "Fá'áv'cál'âr". 
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« Reply #172 on: 28 September 2011, 05:06:17 »

Yes, that's also all I found. And that's about it what they represent: a long vowel obviously.
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« Reply #173 on: 01 November 2011, 15:57:44 »

rián (verb) "to want"
Found it in this entry, which states that riá iú means "I want".  

Edit: Found a few more. 

salóh (noun) "bottom", from here

tháeh (adjective) "yellow", from here

yúlir (noun) "twin", from here.  Or maybe jhúlir if the "y" is meant to be the English "y" sound.  The stress is irregular too; I'm not sure if it should be corrected. 
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« Reply #174 on: 16 December 2011, 14:20:24 »

A non proper mixing of Orc and styrash, hot (xar) and water (mar), meaning hotwater (hot springs) could be Xarmarra?

EDIT: Probably not the right thread for this.  And this was a question more than a suggestion.  I need a place name for Iol.  Something for Hot Springs or Warm Waters or something similar that mixes orc and elvish words.
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« Reply #175 on: 19 December 2011, 23:11:57 »

Well, I see nothing wrong with the name you came up with for it, although you didn't explain the final "-ra".  I'm a little curious about why it needs to be a combination of Orcish and Elvish words though.  What's the story behind that?   huh
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« Reply #176 on: 20 December 2011, 10:24:08 »

Antislar language is a mixture of elvish, orcish, and Ice Tribe.

The final ra just sounded better.

Thanks Mina. :)
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« Reply #177 on: 24 December 2011, 12:51:49 »

I can't believe a proposition of this kind isn't in the dictionary; please let me know if I've completely missed this somewhere, or if this somehow violates a linguistic principle...

ú = preposition = in/within
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« Reply #178 on: 24 December 2011, 14:00:38 »

That's really strange.  Maybe something was accidentally deleted when the dictionary was switched over to the new tables?  I had a preposition és for "into" in one of my examples, and I know I didn't invent it for the entry, but there seems to be no such word in the dictionary. 
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« Reply #179 on: 24 December 2011, 16:02:46 »

Hmmm... Doesn't show up in the current database...
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