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« Reply #45 on: 21 January 2007, 12:52:27 »

I'm not entirely good at this but i noticed their was nothing for honor or proud so I'm gonna try to make names for them so you cant ry if I fail or you can use mine, I don't care which.

Proud(masculine) = cár'aín

Proud(feminine) = avách

Honor(masculine) = aviásh

Honor(feminine) = artáj

I don't know if these are acceptable or not but just bare with me at my first and maybe last attempt.
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« Reply #46 on: 21 January 2007, 23:16:35 »

Actually, Clurion, these are fairly good words!  :)

A couple of things, though:

Adjectives, such as proud, don't really have genders, so you wouldn't need to say that. Regardless, I would take cár'aín over avách (this is because of avách's similarities to avásh, which means ''wind'' or ''air'').

Again, there aren't usually different forms of nouns which accomodate gender (unless one is speaking of a being or person, e.g. styrás ''female elf'' and styrós ''male elf''), so I would say that artáj would be acceptable for ''honor''.  This is because aviásh again bears a little too much similarity to avásh.

So overall, good job on your first attempt at this intimidating language!  ;) thumbup
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« Reply #47 on: 21 January 2007, 23:38:18 »

thank you and i didnt know about which type of words were male female so i did that just incase, but thnk you for comments.
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« Reply #48 on: 17 February 2007, 17:48:26 »

Cór’aváth’cár’tuulén, meaning “black beauty (of) death" (Deadly Nightshade)
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« Reply #49 on: 09 March 2007, 07:55:20 »

We don't have a word for ''and.''  Care to do the honors, Art? :)
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« Reply #50 on: 09 March 2007, 08:53:32 »

I also noticed another word that sounds like it should be here but isn't, I'm talking about the word bear, but I'm not sure if there is one, but just not integrated yet.
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« Reply #51 on: 13 March 2007, 06:09:12 »

You want a word for "and" - is that it, Quaélh'Orín? I suggest "ám" :)

@Clurion: I assume you mean the beast, not tne verb. In that case I suggest

pacór (m.) - bear (lit. "grabber")
pacán - to grab
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« Reply #52 on: 14 March 2007, 01:27:53 »

Cór’aváth’cár’tuulén, meaning “black beauty (of) death" (Deadly Nightshade)

Just a note that you might want to keep in mind for compound formation in the future. I find from looking through the entries for D in the English-Styrásh lexicon that of the thirteen compounds which would be found in natural languages, eleven have the structure modifier + head, which is typical in German and English, and only two have the structure head + modifier (including, ironically, cár-tuulén "death" itself).

Following this pattern, which I'd expect to find throughout the lexicon, the compound above would more likely be cártuulén-aváth.

Like "deadly" in English, cór "black" is merely an adjective and too imitative of the English name of the plant. You could equally as well call it ýhtrecín cártuulén-aváth "poisonous death-beauty". Sorry, I'm kind of straying away from my original topic.

PS You've now got a word for "and", but there isn't one for "but".
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« Reply #53 on: 14 March 2007, 04:38:17 »

Yes, that's a correct observation, Anwulf. I'd also go for the "ýhtrecín cártuulén-aváth" version now regarding the "nightshade" translation, makes more sense in general. So I'll change it to that and will update the vocabulary on the site that way. In general we should try to apply the modifier + head structure, there might be exceptions to the rule, as some words might have grown together "accidentally" - not everything in languages follows a perfect scheme. But we should keep that general rule in mind, I agree.

Ok, and here are two more words as a bonus...

but ... náh
or ... mésh

P.S. Vocabulary pages on the site have just been updated with the most recent additions. We have 564 words so far.
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« Reply #54 on: 18 March 2007, 20:16:32 »

Suggesting words for
The Ethereal Void:

Valayá (derived from valannia+ ayá = beyond the dreamer/ beyond dreams). Femenine

Dream:

Valá (again from valannia= dreamer).
Femenine

Bind

Dalorén


Also there seems to be no word for light in the Thar/styr dictionary.
Light:

Injýr ( derived from injóh- light creature and injéra- guide [ie the sun])

If there's already words for these sorry. Thanks everyone, and if I screw up please take pity on the humble newbie...
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« Reply #55 on: 18 March 2007, 23:26:13 »

Hello Mearenay!

I commend you on making an attempt at this most difficult of languages  thumbup, but there are some problems with some of the words you presented:

valá - ''dream''; we have already assigned the meaning ''wine'' to valá, but we do still need a word for dream.  Perhaps you'd like to propose another?  :)

dalorén - ''to bind''; all Styrásh verbs end in the suffix -án, but perhaps dalorán would work?

injýr - ''light''; we do in fact already have a word for ''light'' ( óh ), but it only shows up on the site in the Styrásh to Tharian Dictionary.  Art, we should probably do something about that...  ;)

Despite all of this, however, I don't see why Valayá couldn't serve as the elves' word for the Void.

Great first attempt; I am impressed!  nod
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« Reply #56 on: 19 March 2007, 13:59:13 »

Suggesting words for
The Ethereal Void:

Valayá (derived from valannia+ ayá = beyond the dreamer/ beyond dreams). Femenine

All right, what about valanán "to dream", from which comes valannía "dreamer" (where the agent noun suffix -ía causes doubling of the preceding consonant); and áll-valanyá "the ethereal void", where áll- means "over-, über- etc.", and the suffix - might mean "place where something happens".

That way consistency is maintained throughout this particular set of words.

Other words using the deverbal noun suffix - might be

art(i)yá "shrine, temple" (place of blessing)
avelyá "school, university" (place of learning)
avenniyá (the place where the elves originally woke??)
boll(i)yá "school, academy; library, archive" (place of knowledge)
eayá "fortress, stronghold, castle" (place of protection)
eliyá "hospital" (place of healing)
hylph(i)yá "watchtower, lookout point; observatory" (place of gazing)
klýuyá "ambulatory" (place of walking)
kyreyá "waiting room" (place of waiting)
maachyá "bedroom; guest room" (place of sleeping)
phoil(i)yá "factory, workshop; smithy" (place of making)
seoryá "factory, workshop; smithy" (place of building)
sooryá "council chamber; oratory school" (place of speaking)
stasiyá "podium; stage" (place of standing)
thamyá "council chamber; committee room" (placing of arranging)
valtúr(i)yá "vault; chest, strongbox" (place of keeping)

Of course, none of these words has any official status.

Apart from the fact that a word for "light" already exists, the word for "sun" in Styrásh only has that meaning by extension from the word for "guide". You couldn't derive a word for "light" from that subsequently.
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« Reply #57 on: 19 March 2007, 23:51:02 »

Those place words are both thoughful and euphonious:  I love how - for some reason - they have an almost magical mnemonic quality, a rightness and strength in the sounds which they make!   Just listen to the resonance of 'thamya' or the soothing elongation of 'maachya' (nearly a yawn!) - marvelously conceived.   
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« Reply #58 on: 20 March 2007, 00:15:31 »

áll-valanyá - over/beyond the dreamer? = etherial void?

As far as I have understood the concept Art developed in the beginning, then there was nothing, not even a void, but all of it is a creation of Avá while she dreamt. She didn't just dream Caelereth, the disc and the air around it, but the Void and the VOID as well, so there is nothing possible "beyond the dreamer(=Ava)". Avá is not found somewhere in the air above the disc...

We would need probably two names, one for Void, the sphere where the air of Caelereth is interacting with the VOID and where the strange phenomena occur, and the nothingness outside the void, the VOID, where the sun runs along its path and the moon. (Not the stars!)
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« Reply #59 on: 20 March 2007, 02:50:08 »

I think it was mentioned in an entry somewhere that it's possible that Ava was just a normal person dreaming in the Void/Void (bolded because it looks nicer than capitalising the whole thing grin).  Of course, such an idea probably won't have been too popular, especially amongst the clergy...

From what I understand, Caelereth is a sort of 'bubble of reality' surrounded by 'nothingness' (Void), in which case the Void would be a sort of 'semi-reality'.  So, perhaps we begin with a word for 'reality' or maybe just 'real', then derive the name for the Void by adding 'esh-' to it, and the name for Void by adding some sort of negative modifier (perhaps the word for 'not', if we have such a word).  Alternatively, for Void, maybe something like ayá'chán, meaning 'beyond all', which sort of contrasts with aér'aí'chán. 

Edit: and perhaps éshdáth (not-real place) for the Void? 
Edit2: To be weirder, how about using Anwulf's new suffix, thus producing éshyá?  In addition to the weirdness of directly adding a suffix to 'ésh', it would have a meaning which I have trouble translating but which seems appropiate for the Void. 
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