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[Smith in Exile]

people names in Korweyn style, I would need that for writing some quotes or mentioning some important theologians...

[Smith in Exile]

ok, I was thinking about the numbers, trying to understand a way in which 4 is an essential number when the elements are 5...
So I got a solution (yeah, yeah, kinda like Aristotle travelling through Santharia lol, but hey, I think it sounds cool enough )
I wrote two "quotes" trying to explain (to myself as well as to a possible other).

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"Watch this fire for a while, my child. Watch the joyous way in which the flames are dancing. We made this fire now, to bring us warmth and light. And so we are dressed now, in the joy of Calderón...
Watch it a little closer, and you will soon feel your sweat helplessly overrun by this joy. Fear not. It just wants to come out and join the flames in their cheerfull dance...
Touch the ground with your palms now, my child. And feel this joy coursing through the cold stubborn immobility of the rock...
And now look up, above you, my child, look in the greatest of mirrors. And you will see countless of other fires like this one, dancing their flames in the same joyous way. For this is the army of Calderón, chasing away Bothú's hideous kindred.
This is the Eternal War, my child. Fear not. As you are dressed now in the mighty armour of Calderón. And you are safe."

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"I am standing here now, walking my eyes over horizons. Silently, watching the struggle. Marveling at its complexity. Who made all these be? Or what made them be? And truly there can be just one thing from which everything had spawned?
As I stand here I see that always, no matter which horizon I lay my eyes upon, there are four directions in which I can head.
And also if I look up, I see the sky fighting the earth in its difference. Two ways, two sides. And beside them I can see two more sides, two more ways. The night and the day. Fighting each other and fighting the other two.
And also if I look upon my life I will see four, again. As we are children and that is one, and we are men and that is two, and we are old and that is three, and we are dead and that is four.
Thus we have four mighty beings watching over us. We have Inthadín, who smiles upon us from above, we have Bothú, the sorrow and the abyss, we have Calderón, the great hunter of the skies and we have Thiát, bringer of peace and healer...

And again I am standing, walking my eyes over horizons. Yes, four must be those which hold our lives, but the image is not yet complete. As there is a fifth, that which brings them together, as I brought them together now, in this walk.
As Helón is the mirror of the sky, as these four mighty beings are mirroring themselves in four essences. We have the Will and we have the Blood, but also we have the Breath and we have the Flesh. But there must be also something else, something that can keep them together, something that can stand in between. And that thing is the fifth, the Soul. As Inthadin not only that is mirroring in Breath, but is mirroring in that which is contained in Breath. For the soul is contained in everything. Bothú cannot be content in the other three, because he rejects and closes. But Bothú could never have been without Inthadín to watch upon his slumber. And also Calderón and Thiát could never have been without Inthadín's mirroring..."

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Now, I replace the word "elements" with that of "essences" taking into account the latin ethimology of this word (which comes from "to be"). If there is a problem with it (because latin doesn't exist in Caelereth ) I don't know what would be a good replacement... maybe "what-ness"? I guess "essence" is still the best choice.

Tell me if you agree with this view and then I can start writing on a first version for this entry

PS: also don't forget about the people names... please...

[Koldar Mondrakken]

Uhm, I don't see what's the problem with the number of the elements.

You have four elements representing forces coming from the sky necessary to form life, the fifth however is from Bothú, the "Sleeping God" : Death aka Earth/Stone.
So five elements are unpure, four is what any being would strive for though any mortal will be always flawed=> mortal.
So the spiritual goal of all Korweynites would be to decrease any Earthern influence on their mind so that in the very end they might become in death immortal (when their soul leaves their body they might be free from Bothú's influence again)

In a whole the Korweynite's belief is not a balanced system but as described a war between the sky and Earth. Calderón and Thiát are in this matter the most obvious forces from the sky: The sun and the moon. As they're the greatest objects in the sky the Korweynites think they came from Inthadín to fight for Helón.
They themselves are part of Helón as it was formed by the lesser gods till Bothú corrupted the mirror of the sky to silence Caelereth again.

Maybe I wrote a bit confusing by putting the soul in context to Inthadín and Bothú in conjunction to Earth. The latter is true but the soul is generally seen just as the essence from the sky. Energy, Blood and Breathe (anything a living being consists of) are then parts of what Inthadín created on Caelereth before Bothú awoke, I'd say.

Don't know if I make more sense now. Mainly the whole thing is about the Korweynites inability to see beyond good or evil. Anything is split up between the two, both in physical and spiritual terms(thus the categorization of the lesser gods). The main thing between Korweyn and Santharia however is the Korweynites don't believe in balance. They want the sky to win over Bothú so Helón might become reality.


To replace elements with essence is okay though I wanted to show that the Korweynites simply use a different scheme than Santharia.

Names? I though they should sound soft and melodic with the pronounciation generally on the last syllabel. But I don't have a real scheme.

Maybe:
Zellá, Gonná, Nerevín, Naressá, Vynál, Leán. Thiotís, Loreán...


Uh, I guess that yells for an update on Korweyn....  

[Smith in Exile]

I'll re-write the stuff, hmmm... yes, if Bothu and Inthadin have no correspondent in elements things are more clear...
elements - essence, well, sarvonians can say elements to what korweynians say essences, that was my thought.

[Koldar Mondrakken]

Maybe it helps to say that Korweynite religion has more resemblance to Greek mythology than e.g. Santharian religion. It is a mythology that creates a system to describe various abstract or unexplainable occurences but nor one that does so after a certain sheme.

You have the basic with Inthadín and Bothú as sky and Earth, Calderón and Thiát as two objects in the sky who thus must be aligned to Inthadín and the lesser Gods mainly describing the states of the mind (similar to "Musen", daemons and various Greek gods).



maybe that helps? =

[Smith in Exile]

of course it helps... I will just loooove doing that  actually that's why I mentioned Aristotle in that little joke, because I saw the elements as the greeks were seeing the categories (hmm... well, as Aristotle was seeing them...) Anyway, I'll start geting things together soon...

[Koldar Mondrakken]

Uhm and if you have any idea how to tie the lesser gods to more practical fields as well, that would help. I currently think about making the eight lesser gods the main gods of any of the Korweynite casts (e.g. Ghal might be the god of the soldier cast or of the nobility).

I'll have to rework the cast system for that but I'd have to elaborate that anyway.

Just thinking that Ghal should be God of truth(justice comes from it but is a more disputable concept than truth)

And "creativity" might/should get a place, too?

[Smith in Exile]

yes, truth is better... although Ghal has nothing to do with creativity if he is responsible for truth... (they are two different things)

[Koldar Mondrakken]

No, I meant creativity as another god's property instead of some of the other stuff...  

[Smith in Exile]

m.
Truth Ghal
Deception Norn - this should be a kind of a trickster god

f.
wisdom Paerí
ignorance Naédrá

m.
Courage
Cowardness

f.
Modesty
Greed

m.
Peace
War

f.
Love
Hate

m.
Hope
Despair

f.
Health
Sickness

My problems are with the courage/cowardness couple (I got the feeling that they overlap the peace/war couple)
Creativity would be a little redundant as we already have the Wisdom/Ignorrance and Love/Hate couple...
Maybe instead courage/cowardness we would have a Virtue/Vice couple?
Also Health/Sickness isn't a little redundant with Thiat vs Bothu's influence?

Edited by: Smith in Exile at: 7/14/03 11:31

[Koldar Mondrakken]

Hmmm.... thinking about it War/Peace does not make sense. The Korwynite believe in the eternal war and that they need to be victorious, why would they see war as generally negative then?
Virtue/Vice, that's the categorization of the differnt gods anyway. Btw, maybe we should forget about the gender stuff, I think it makes no sense, in the end there should be just as many evil male gods as there are good ones. It's too structured otherwise and I want it to be slightly less logical in its number scheme. it should be bend to fit their philosophy. The importance of numbers would derive from the numbers of gods not the number of gods from the importance of numbers.

Thiát and Bothú, I'd see them as outside factors that cannot be mixed up with the Lesser Gods. Maybe they're the General gods of Creation and Destruction, then we'd need a general picture of Calderón as well. Thiát creates things(she continues the work of Inthadín in a way), Calderón protects them.

In a whole you'd pray to a lesser god in a temple to get an immediate effect in form of clerical magic but you'd pray to Thiát or Calderón when you're alone and the challenge is a less physical but more psychical thing. Like your family was murdered and you call for Calderón to help you to stay a good man and fight all vices that you might experience(hate, despair,...). but you'd pray to Ghal to find the murderers and avenge your family.
Does that make any sense?


For the categorization, maybe this better?

Truth Ghal
Deception Norn - this should be a kind of a trickster god

wisdom Paerí
ignorance Naédrá

Courage
Cowardness

Modesty
Greed

Loyality
Treachery

Love
Hate

Hope
Despair

Health
Sickness

Other options:

selflessness
egoism

beauty
ugliness (but doesn't fit that well)

Koldar Mondrakken, Knight of the Moonlight
Weakness is strength. Hope is life.

[Smith in Exile]

I would prefer selflessness (or charity)/egoism to Loyalty/treachery - as treachery implies a trickster, and a trickster is essentially a liar too...

also I think beauty/ugliness is an excellent idea, because Korweynites are supposed to be a civilized people with a great interest in arts (as you described them in the entry). So I think we can replace with this one the couple courage/cowardness.

Now, it would take a little more time to take each of these lesser gods and explain them (but it's not impossible, depends on what do you want), but if we don't describe everyone (maybe just a few) than there is no need for a male/female thing. Also we can solve this in other way too, as we can grant each god with the possibility of changing gender to their will...

[Smith in Exile]

...quite important actually. How would the Korweynites view time? As a cycle or as a straight line (past/origin - present - future/salvation)? And how are they imagining the end of times if there is such a thing for them?

[Koldar Mondrakken]

What do you have against courage/cowardice?
I'd think courage/fear or something should be somehow involved.

I guess we can keep the lesser gods rough for now and only explain the principles for now.

I guess time would be the realm of another archgod but one uninterested in the human destiny and thus not really present( similar to Chronos). As it is the eternal war I guess they'd see it linear with victory or defeat marking the ultimate end of the world either by turning into an eternal paradise or being destroyed by Bothú.

Koldar Mondrakken, Knight of the Moonlight
Weakness is strength. Hope is life.

[Smith in Exile]

fear... that sounds definetely better. Yes. But maybe we can find another word for courage? Let's see...  [thinks] ... hmmm... no, courage is ok. So let's keep them like this (but I would really like that beauty/ugliness couple to be in the scheme...)

about time: good, I got it... (uh... and just to make sure, they don't have a prophecy about the end of times either, right?)

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