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« on: 19 February 2006, 02:43:00 »

I had this idea for quite some time now, but since I wandered over to the Bestiary I pushed it under the rug.

My original interest here was magic (hence, Chronusian is a mage), yet I found it utterly confusing to develop. This however, is something related to magic... but in something that I can relate to.

Language.

A runic language created bye Ximaxian mages to encrypt magical documents and to establish themselves in the magical community... even though Ximax is well established already.

The language would only be symbols that represent something else... not an actual alphabet. It would be used in teaching, as I said before, encrypting, and classifying. I'm confident that it's workable, if you are... so what do you think?



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« Reply #1 on: 19 February 2006, 08:33:00 »

Like kanshi?

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« Reply #2 on: 19 February 2006, 12:06:00 »

Do you mean kanji, Talia?  

Now, Chronusian, I think you mean to create a cipher or code for the Ximaxians, and not an entire language, right?  That sounds more like what you were describing.  Besides, I doubt that people of that time had enough knowledge to properly create a language, though I have heard of an Australian ceremonial or secret tongue of some sort that looked like it might have had artificial origins.  

But, anyway, if you're proposing a secret writing system for the Ximaxians to use in encrypting stuff, you might want to speak with Bard Judith.  I think she proposed something similar not long ago.  


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« Reply #3 on: 19 February 2006, 13:14:00 »

Yes Judith say that the runes or simbols in the watch tower pic could be used to start a code of magic.
I think that we can use them too, because middle age alchemist used simbols that no one that wasn't an alchemist could understand.

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« Reply #4 on: 19 February 2006, 15:06:00 »

Language? Oh noes!
Yes, this would be a simple code of sorts, not an entire language. Lanuages are... complicated.  



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« Reply #5 on: 19 February 2006, 17:23:00 »

I proposed this concept literally years ago - as a dragon language, when Capher was still around and wanted a language developed for them.  We thought it could take the place of Latin as a 'scholar's tongue' at the time.

The idea was revived, as Orril points out, fairly recently when I spotted fascinating runes on Quellion's Watchtower / Farseer picture.  See the discussion over in the Misc. Forum (I think....)

Sounds very similar to what you're suggesting, Chronusian, so I'm all for having the concept developed!  Tying a special 'font' / symbolic language into magic and alchemy works very well IMO.


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« Reply #6 on: 19 February 2006, 18:56:00 »

Me too, I want to make a special simbol code.
P.S Do we must do it a Font for computers? I don't know how to make fonts

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« Reply #7 on: 20 February 2006, 20:36:00 »

I know some about cyphers and codes and the like, btw, if such knowledge be needed.

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« Reply #8 on: 22 February 2006, 15:20:00 »

Well, as the official magical language Styrásh has been established, it's the Latin of Santharia. What would desperately be need is a system on the formulas.

The language we see at the Ximax tower would be different from Styrásh, and would be some sort of arcane magical script, used primarily at sigils and glyphs of the War of the Chosen time and afterwards. So this would be different from the Styrásh, nevertheless, a system would be needed here as well, and a proper way to present it on the site.


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« Reply #9 on: 22 February 2006, 19:30:00 »

I have a question, The formuls discution is in the members moot?

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« Reply #10 on: 23 February 2006, 02:37:00 »

I was thinking something along the lines of glyphs and whatnot...

But I have come across a problem in implementing the idea...
What I have been trying to do is create the symbols using Photoshop... but then the only way I could present them is to post very many pictures, and that would be rather... spammy...

So... either I must ask assistance from one who would know how to create a font, or I could come up with an image depicting all of them at once... with an individual explanation for each one.

Thoughts? And also... should this be moved to the magic forum or continued here?



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« Reply #11 on: 23 February 2006, 05:22:00 »

@Orril: Why would the formula discussion take place in the Members Moot Forum???

@Chronusian: You can send me Photoshop pictures which I can put up on the Forum. I personally don't know how you'd properly want to implement that into a font, though, because glyphs and sigils and the like usually aren't directly related to specific letters, but represent some sort of formula or a part of it. Never made a font myself, though. I'm also not sure where you're actually heading with your idea, if you don't know how to realize it properly, - as that's what it is basically about to have a use for it: concept and proper realization. The idea alone doesn't suffice.


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« Reply #12 on: 23 February 2006, 10:43:00 »

I can make fonts, but I really wouldn't want to see this as a font; as Art points out, there would be almost no practical 'use' for it.

We already have Styrash as a separate font - not to mention ThergerimTaal - which add character but are rarely 'used' in writing and creating entries otherwise (as fonts, not as languages) because of the difficulty in deciphering it.  In fact, I doubt if anyone,  including the creators of the fonts, can actually 'read' styrash or taal!  (Speaking them is of course another matter - I frequently swear in dwarven at home...)

What would work is a single picture or graphic which shows a number (doesn't even have to be comprehensive) of the runes with a 'translation' behind each.  A parchment background, the runes hand-written, and then a student's scrawled notes on what each rune signifies... something like that.  That parchment then becomes a reference for our artists, and they can 'borrow'/'copy' the runes for use on pendants, artifacts, garment embroidery, etc.  I think that's really all we would need.   The starting point for the runes would be Quellion's watchtower picture - simply copy individual shapes, assign some possible meanings, and list them out.  Then create the graphic form of the list.  I could do it myself if there's any further interest in the project.



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« Reply #13 on: 23 February 2006, 15:18:00 »

I guess we could indeed keep the meaning of  the runes ambivalent or mysterious to a certain degree - that's what makes these runes interesting and arcane. Wouldn't make them that mysterious if we'd have all the answers right away. However, they'd need to have certain similar forms, fit to the site in style and have a background story/concept to it, so that we can make an entry, explaining all this.


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« Reply #14 on: 23 February 2006, 23:59:00 »

First, I think the formula discution is in the Members Moot because I never saw it in the site.

Then, what do you think if this runes are like "the good luck" and "protection" and all that thinks that are sold in mistic and magic markets, so to say, the common people thinks that the runes inscrived in sertain stone or wood will bring them the good luck or protection or money or all that things.
About it's history/story, give me a week and I will have something good about them.

Thanks for your atention.

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