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Koldar Mondrakken
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« on: 01 October 2000, 16:34:00 »

Yes, another load of Coat of arms has just hit the shelves and I wanted to show them to the waiting spectators! ;)  

The first one is a new version of the Erpheronian Royal COat of Arms showing the human hero Caen enveloped by dragon fire. Hope the images are not too big because when I resized them I forgot to decrease the pixel/Inch value.
www.freespeech.org/santha...A(new).jpg

The other is the Milkengrad banner. Hope Curgan is back now and that one of the three variations is good enough. THey differ primarily in color and structure.

www.freespeech.org/santha...adCoA1.jpg
www.freespeech.org/santha...adCoA2.jpg
www.freespeech.org/santha...adCoA3.jpg

And finally I finished the R'unor banner. I structured it somewhat like a mosaic, was just a new idea. The sea turtle is relatively simplified, but a simple banner is a good banner! ;)  

www.freespeech.org/santha...norCoA.jpg

You humble opinion what should be made better, greater, is always welcome!
So don't worry that you might hurt me, I asked for it!;)  

Well, that's all folks!
Bye, Koldar Mondrakken

Edited by: Koldar Mondrakken at: 9/30/00 11:40:08 pm
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« Reply #1 on: 02 October 2000, 01:33:00 »

Thanx for the great work, Koldar!

1.) I like the Erpheronian banner very much :D  The fire, the pose of Caein and the colors of the picture are very good, and also the fading out of the body-part is exactly how I have imagined it. - However, I would recommend to make the head-part a bit rounder, otherwise it looks a bit like a typical polygon-person from a 3D-game...

2.) Milkengrad: I guess number 1 is the best, eventually some additional stars etc. on the border could be added... The stars on the Erpheronian coat of arm add a very interesting touch to it, so whenever possible try to implement such smaller parts to other the coats of arms, I suggest. But of course Curgan has to give his opinion here...

3.) R'unor: Neat idea, the mosaic - good effect! I would also suggest to add some more stars etc. here at the border (maybe surrounding the turtle). Currently I'd say the turtle is a bit too big. Some parts of the coat of arm could be in other colors - e.g. a dark border with white shimmering lines could be such a thing...

Just proposals, Koldar... Great work! Nice to have you with us;)

Edited by: Artimidor Federkiel at: 10/1/00 8:36:17 am
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« Reply #2 on: 02 October 2000, 05:12:00 »

BTW: In case you're looking for another challenge -  there's another coat of arms of which the design is already clear: The Centoraurian Coat of Arms. The main theme is a pegasus-like horse dropping into the Anaios Gap (I suggest without rider). See the Santharian Library, story "The Elvenfall". Vaelaron already drew such a picture, so eventually you could take this horse out of the picture somehow so you get the outlines of the horse...

Well, just an idea if you feel utterly bord...

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« Reply #3 on: 02 October 2000, 09:54:00 »

Koldar,
Your banners are terrific. I especially love the textures...(note to self: Must learn to use the computer for creating artwork.) What program did you use to create these coat of arms?  Anyway, very nice work.  

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« Reply #4 on: 03 October 2000, 13:34:00 »

No, no, there are only new versions of the Erpheronian Coat of Arms and the Milkengrad Coat of Arms.

As you wanted it I smoothed out the head of
"Great Caen"! :)

www.freespeech.org/santha...final).jpg

I reworked the Milkengrad banner completely to get a more mettallic effect. Looks now like real gold on the sword! This will be my final version until Curgan shows up to look it over.

www.freespeech.org/santha...1(new).jpg
www.freespeech.org/santha...2(new).jpg

To the R'unor CoA. I like it the way it is, so I will keep it that way. Perhaps it will be never the Coat of arms of the 'Holy Royal Guard of R'unor' but as the national flag it fits quite well, I think.

Sorry, Artimidor, no rework there... ;)

Farewell Traveller, the night might be dark but the day is full work, Koldar Mondrakken.

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« Reply #5 on: 03 October 2000, 13:54:00 »

Hi Aragorn!
Thanks for the positive response.
Well, I just use normal Photoshop for the banners. They're made with quite simple symmetrical forms, for real computer drawing or something I would suggest 'Adobe Illustrator' or at least 'Freehand'.

The trick with the textures is to use the filters properly. The real work is done by the computer! ;)

By the way the work I've seen from you really rocks!
I wish I could create graphics like this... ;)

Bye, Koldar Mondrakken

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« Reply #6 on: 03 October 2000, 14:25:00 »

I very mutch like the R'unor banner, but I'm not realy sure if white on blue realy works all that well for R'unor. I'm not trying to be picky(well... acualy I em but thats besides the point) but think that perhaps a recoloring might be a good idea(and art had some very good sugestions aswell). green on brown maybe?
I realy like the mosaeic like aspect for the turtle though

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« Reply #7 on: 04 October 2000, 08:11:00 »

I very much like the work on the Coats of Arms and bannners. I've not thought much about a banner for Mythe. Something magickal or elemental would be appropriate. Any suggestions?
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« Reply #8 on: 04 October 2000, 09:04:00 »

There's an old Celtic symbol I ran accross in a fantasy work based on Celtic mythology that you might like to incorporate. Maybe you're already familiar with it. It basically consists of a circle with two lines drawn through it and crossing at the center, one vertical and one horizontal. The lines end at the edge of the circle. It represents the four directions. After looking at your homepage, it sounded appropriate.

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« Reply #9 on: 04 October 2000, 10:34:00 »

Yes, I am familiar with the Celtic Cross. Perhaps I can use it with some symbols, such as a goat to represent the herders of the Dark Ones and an apple tree to represent the orchards of the Wise Ones. What does Koldar think?

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« Reply #10 on: 04 October 2000, 12:43:00 »

*HeHe*

Don't panic! I feared something like that would happen! ;)  

To you criticsm. Green on brown sounds more like an Elven banner in the woods.
What I've read about R'unor, it's an indepent Isle nation with a somewhat
different social culture and so on.

I think a mix of green and blue sounds most appealing to me. It looks like sea
when you get me and fits together.

Still I reworked it. So... have a look! ;)  

I increased the metallic effect and structured the turtle stronger..

www.freespeech.org/santha...orCoA1.jpg
www.freespeech.org/santha...orCoA2.jpg

Hope you will like these improved versions!

Bye, Koldar Mondrakken

Edited by: Koldar Mondrakken at: 10/3/00 7:58:01 pm
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« Reply #11 on: 04 October 2000, 12:52:00 »

A banner for Mythe? Well the only word against it would be that
Mythe itself is not a united kingdom when I've understand
everything right.
Two seperate banners would be neccessary but correct me if I'm
wrong!

I also thought about using an 'Ankh' for such a Coat of Arms. Your
world sounds mystical so this would be a possible symbol.
To the other things, I'm not sure how a Celtic Cross looks like  but the
horns of a Goat sounds good! To the tree I would suggest something
else a laurel branch, perhaps?

A moon would also fit to the dark people, the same a rising sun for
the Wise Ones (<-perhaps a book, Eh? ;)  ).

Just some other ideas!
Bye, Koldar Mondrakken

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« Reply #12 on: 04 October 2000, 15:36:00 »

Yes, I em very impressed... thanx a bunch... (insert verios other sutch phrases of aproval.)

yes I like them alot, the blue lastime was just a little to bright, no bigggy, but the new ones are perfict, thank you.


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« Reply #13 on: 04 October 2000, 19:33:00 »

"Celtic cross"? The one I was thinking of was much more Druidic than Christian, though it wouldn't surprise me if Christians borrowed it later on......  

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« Reply #14 on: 05 October 2000, 11:09:00 »

It is true that the Christians later adopted the Celtic cross as it fit with the crucifixion. It is just an example of the integration of pagan symbols and ideologies. The symbol was originally indicative of the compass directions and the four elements surrounded by the circle, a symbol of infinity, cycles, and reincarnation.
I like the Ankh idea also. The two phases of the moon (new and full) would better represent the two clans as the Dark Ones rule over the waning time and the Wise Ones rule over the waxing time. A branch would be fine, except I picture a fruit bearing branch as the Wise Ones are vegetarian and tend to orchards and gardens. Maybe a sheaf of wheat?

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