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Artimidor Federkiel
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« on: 10 November 2000, 15:15:00 »

Okeydokey - here is the original version of Seyella by Faugar. I will try to do a little Photoshopping on it (if I can find the time) and will then post it here for comparison... Comments always welcome...



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« Reply #1 on: 10 November 2000, 17:09:00 »

My compliments! It's beautiful...

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« Reply #2 on: 10 November 2000, 18:26:00 »

Totally crazy!! Fantastic. I would say there was some confusion on the shadows in the neck/throat part, but when I critisize such tiny things I think it's great. I like especially the hair and face...

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« Reply #3 on: 11 November 2000, 16:46:00 »

I tried to implement the Photoshop filters you proposed, Faugar, however, they did't seem to work out as I would have liked it. So I finally reworked the hair manually with Photoshop, using first the cloud renderer, then the smudge tool extensively and finally the sharpen filter on the hair and the sky. The rest of the picture was modified by using a blur filter in order to make the two drawing styles look more fitting together. I personally like this manual method better cause although its time-intensive it makes the picture much more individual.

Well, the result you can see below, open for discussion. Hope you like it. If not, we can keep the first version, no prob. Probably Goddesses have the same problem when going to the hairstylist like other women: they never know what comes out in the end, and maybe the hairstylist tried some extranvaganzas which suit him but look horrible in public... Please comment!


Edited by: Artimidor Federkiel at: 11/10/00 10:59:14 pm
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« Reply #4 on: 11 November 2000, 16:57:00 »

Sorry, oh great king of Santharia, but the hair on the first variant I liked better. I think thou hadst a bad day when busy with thine magic experiments (please, forgive me, don't hang me for being critical! :) )

So, I prefer the first variant. I can try something with my image-editor, but can't garantee better results though... (Although chances are high, since my paint-editor has also been used to enhance the movie The Titanic)

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« Reply #5 on: 11 November 2000, 18:27:00 »

Well, I mailed both Artimidor and Faugar 3 'edited' variants. I hope one of them is ok, though if not, no matter :)
I had fun creating them.

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« Reply #6 on: 12 November 2000, 04:59:00 »

Here's one of the versions of Seyella designed by Xaron (in general they all are very similar, only stressing other things).

It doesn't reflect my personal philosophy of a god picture, though. The picture of a Goddess of Destiny should be tranquil and contemplative (is this an English word too?), I guess, so my personal view is that the lightning seems displaced here. Seyella also gives the impression that she was placed in front of a background and the "blue box" effect you may notice at announcers on TV is still visible.

BTW: Sorry, Faugar... I already regret that I proposed to do some hairstyling... I guess your picture on its own is a masterpiece. However I hadn't tried my hand on it if I wouldn't have been convinced that the hairstyling is improving the picture further...


Edited by: Artimidor Federkiel at: 11/11/00 10:59:45 am
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« Reply #7 on: 12 November 2000, 09:51:00 »

To be honest I would prefer the original beyond the variants. It's always difficult to modify artwork via filters when you only have one plane surface (my banners usually contain at least three, most of the time more than six), because you can't define the regions where you want what effect.
Xaron's pic looks interesting and spectacular but I agree with Art that it does not fit to the godness of destiny. It also shows the problem that the background does not totally merge with the foreground because it was made using another technique.

Still, nice works!

Bye, Koldar

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« Reply #8 on: 12 November 2000, 17:02:00 »

Thanks for the kind words on my 'special effects' :)

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« Reply #9 on: 13 November 2000, 14:29:00 »

Although Xaron's work was good, it would fit better to gods like Armeros or Etherus. And the hairstiling was nice, but still the original work was better.
Loved it from the first moment i saw it!

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« Reply #10 on: 14 November 2000, 09:50:00 »

To Xaron's pics:
Seyella 2 (B&W ) is nice. but i don't like the colored one.
If I wanted it colored i would paint it in color, because coloring it this way (as is coloring all b&w images just doesn't look good to me).
Adding is nice,  but changing  is less.. I hope you know how i feel. :)  Of course, you can do it on your own (there's no way for me to check that or change it), but I hope you're not planning to use this image anywhere (without my permission, that is) public - I like the image the way I done it, thats why.
Oh, I wasn't able to respond to your email Xaron, your mail server wasn't ... there?
And I must say, I like what Artimidor did to the hair (that said, I still like the original pic), It makes her look more like Ava, and that was your intention) So I think it's up to Artimidor which of the two images he thinks best for this purpose.. :)
anyway - greetings to you all.
And thank you all for your kind words about the picture :)


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« Reply #11 on: 14 November 2000, 10:07:00 »

Artimidor - I guess you shoud be glad you had to do all that work in photoshop on this small image - think about doing it on the 2000x2000 pixels original I made.. ;)
And to you all ppl - how come nobody had any comment about the second gnome picture I made (posted on the forum as gnome2)?

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« Reply #12 on: 14 November 2000, 11:37:00 »

Well, modifications required 3 hours of my precious time, so 2000x2000 pixels would have required estimated 3 years *haha*

Another note: Main reason for the hairstyling was to make the pic more "etherial". As I've already stated Faugar's picture is a masterpiece in itself, however, with the hair changes I tried to stress the god in her, which Faugar also stated. If you compare the original and the hair modification you should notice what I mean. The original could be a beautiful girl with a blindfold only. The re-worked version is much closer to a Goddess, at least this is how I interpret it.

But as I see that both "improvements" aren't undisputed of course we will use the original picture on the site. Thanx again Faugar!

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« Reply #13 on: 15 November 2000, 03:46:00 »

It's has a powerful quality to it, that's for sure. My attention was drawn to it at once when I loaded the page. I didn't even bother to read the accompany message by Artimidor until much later ;)  There's something a little disturbing about Faugar's drawing of Seyella. I'm not sure what....hmmm....I guess it's the image of a woman blindfolded. It denote a certain vulnerability and helplessness. Especially in the third picture with the lightning streaks in the back. It's cool, I like that background effect, but it seems to deepen the imagery of impending violence...against the woman?

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents :)  I DO like the picture though! Although like Artimidor said, it doesn't quite resemble a Goddess of Destiny. To me, the drawing of Seyella reminds me more of a Goddess of Justice. You know, blindfolded and all. All she needs is a scale in her hand!

Lastly, yes, I do like the original rendition of Seyella best as well!

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« Reply #14 on: 15 November 2000, 04:13:00 »

Well.. the blindfold is all we could come up with, sorry :(  I know it's like the justice gal ;)  but if you have any idea for DESTINY props - you're welcome to share it with us!
p.s. did you read my email?

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