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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #75 on: 24 December 2006, 02:17:04 »

Thank you Mira! You know, I find this whole discusssion very interesting. I love debate.


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« Reply #76 on: 24 December 2006, 02:19:52 »

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There is an inherant magic in Silkstone which causes it to make Earth spells have stronger effects.

I'd say no, that's not possible. Something that strengthens magical effects would have to strengthen all magical effects, IMO. I don't see any way to increase the power of just one element. Even enhancing magic in general is iffy---we haven't come up with a mechanism for it yet.

But if the carall of the silkstone has a great quantity of earth ounnia (ie the overall carall has a definitive 'earth quality') by linking one's own carall - or even simply by carrying it - one's own earth-orientation might increase.

Consider this example from one of the magic entries: A large, stone boulder is harder to levitate by using wind magic because the earth carall of the overall aura is so dominant in it. If the principle works that way, why not should it work in the opposite direction?

Maybe this silkstone has an 'innate intelligence' (right term?) so that whenever an 'earth spell' is cast it instinctively tries to link its own carall to it (therefore adding to the spell's power?). Or maybe the stone instinctively 'links' or 'reaches out' whenever it detects a (significant?) disturbance/change in the carall of the surroundings. Sort of like expanding its own carall to 'blanket' the area in which the disturbance takes place. Therefore: if spell cast is earth oriented, the magic would be strengthened. Conversely the presence of a silkstone may make it harder to cast wind spells, because it indirectly resists the caster's will by trying to impose qualities of its own carall. >>> Earth is stubborn, stable, stagnant. It likes things to endure; imo it wouldn't react that well to 'changes'. Wind philosophically represents "idea" or creative concept/creating principle, right? So isn't levitating (just an example) also about transforming / substituing the 'idea' of a 'sitting object' with a 'floating' one on philosophically?

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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #77 on: 24 December 2006, 03:06:53 »

Well, to sum it up:
Nsiki, Art, Mira, Orril (An Eyelian armorer, the Founder of the Dream, a newly inducted member and a budding magician)
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Mina, Drasil, Marvin,Talia (a magician extrodinare, an earth mage, a seasoned expert, and tthe wise one of the boards)
Some major arguments
Nsikis a newb and should do what hes told.
This is impossible under current system, which knows all.

My counterpoints
Art is not a newb, and he seems to be on my side.
The current system can not only change, but is changing
The current system does NOT explain everything. Reagents, for instance.


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #78 on: 24 December 2006, 04:14:55 »

Just because we haven't gotten around to explaining something doesn't mean that it has no explanation. The framework for the Ximaxian system is largely done, but there are details that still have to be filled in. Also, we're pretty clear what reagents do; we just haven't explained how they do it yet. Magic isn't easy, and those of us working on it tend to work quite slowly anyway.


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #79 on: 24 December 2006, 04:17:44 »

So what does the current framework say about reagents?


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #80 on: 24 December 2006, 04:21:26 »

From what I've seen, they seem to represent items [related to the spell at hand, of course] upon which the magi may focus, which thereby concentrates their mind and makes them more capable of producing the tremendous amount of willpower necessary to perform magic.

I really don't know that I'm correct on that one; that was an opinion of mine that had been longing to surface for a while. What say you?


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #81 on: 24 December 2006, 04:32:50 »

What they do? I think I'd mentioned it earlier in the thread. Basically, they assist a mage with focusing on their spell. This is quite important for beginners as their minds aren't as disciplined and thus their focus isn't as strong yet. Higher level magi generally do not require reagents except for very hard spells, but often use them anyway to make things easier for themselves.

Anyway, as I previously mentioned, while reagents do not directly enhance magical effects, they allow for less focus to be needed to create the same effect, or in other words, for the same amount of effort to produce stronger effects. I don't see why this is so unacceptable.


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #82 on: 24 December 2006, 04:36:11 »

So, Silk Stone, when combined with the other ingredients needed for the cloth-making process could help the wearer concentrate on the spell?
The reason you cant hold a stone and have the same effect is because the other ingredients help "unlock" the ability.
Is this a sutible comprimise?


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #83 on: 24 December 2006, 04:54:53 »

Er, not sure about the unlocking of ablity part.

Reagents are often selected according to the effect of the spell, eg sulphur for spells that produce flames or ash for spells that reduce the influence of Fire. General reagents aren't very common, it seems, though some devs seem to be using sulphur for all sorts of effects nowdays. I think I once suggested that based on the stones' qualities, its possible that it'd be favoured for spells that move or shape physical earth.

I'm not quite willing to disallow normal stones as reagents. They seem to be a natural choice for spells that make a target tougher and such.


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #84 on: 24 December 2006, 05:03:17 »

Well, mabye the abilities are unlocked, just strengthend to a recognizable degree aha!
Just had a breakthrough! Silk Stone is actually a very weak reagent, but when presented in large quantities, it is quite potent. Since carring around bunches of geodes is quite impractical, and the strands are there already, Silk Stone is commonly weaved into cloth. The other materials are just there for the cloth making purpose. The reagent doesnt have to be general, it can be limited if you need it to be.


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #85 on: 24 December 2006, 13:52:33 »

Quote from: Miraran Tehuriden on 24 December 2006, 02:09:25

i was actually referring to the fact that the magical Powers That Be have no idea how reagentia work within the ximaxian system.. while it is a rather important part of most spells!

It's not yet worked out to the fullest, but we do have an idea of how reagents work *eyes Mira*. Reagentia basically help the mage to concentrate better and as such aid in his spell casting.

For example, if the Silk Stone is considered to have a lot of Earth in its Car'all* and therefore serve as an Earth reagent where a stronger Earth presence is wanted (like adding or strengthening Earth Ounia in a Car'all).

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Silk Stone is actually a very weak reagent, but when presented in large quantities, it is quite potent.

Quantity would matter little in such matters. Having too little of a reagent might give somewhat lesser effects, but having a handful or a truckload should make little difference. It helps the mage focus, so as long as he can see, feel, smell,... the reagent it would work just fine.

*Some Earth (or other) mages could consider it to have the most Earth, but there's no way to really determine such things other then by looking at its physical properties. It would also mean that the Silk Stone needs to have Earth properties such as stillness, solidness, strength,... before mages would consider it to have a high amount of Earth Ounia.


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Re: Silk Stone [Is this possible/allowed?]

« Reply #86 on: 24 December 2006, 17:09:38 »

Alright, forget about the "perfect earth", but how could I get Silk Stone to work best when it is weaved into cloth?


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Re: Silk Stone (Is now a reagent)

« Reply #87 on: 31 December 2006, 19:13:43 »

Well, I think I figured Silk Stone out. Want to take a look?


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Re: Silk Stone (Is now a reagent)

« Reply #88 on: 01 January 2007, 12:23:53 »

Hmm...

I don't really see a reason why unprocessed silk stone can't be used as a reagent. If we can use things like sand as reagent, certainly unprocessed silk stone will be suitable as well. Perhaps the cloth form is considered more prestigious, or maybe it's thought to simply be better (and maybe it is, but I'm not sure how you'd confirm such a thing).

I see that you're going with the idea that it is a reagent for any spells that increase Earth influence, which is fine with me. However, I think you could also add that it's particularly favoured for spells that have to do with transformation (or transmutation, as the case may be) of materials with a lot of Earth. I mean, think about it: it starts out as a mineral of some sort, but after treatment, it becomes a material that can be sewn into cloth. Come to think of it, maybe alchemists would find some use for it too, though I'm not sure what.
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Hey, maybe silk stone is only useful for these sort of spells in its processed form!

I also see that it's still mentioned in several cases that it strengthens spells. While this is perhaps acceptable coming from a Compendiumist who doesn't have a good understanding of magic, I'd really, really prefer to have it stated more accurately in the entry, so that in the future I won't have to deal with newbies who try to argue that there exists things which can enhance the power of spells by pointing to this entry.

You might also want to check with Bard Judith about how accurate the statements "It is harvested by the Dwarves that live there (the Zirghurim), though they do not keep the majority of it. They have found there is far greater profit in shipping the finished cloth to Ximaximean spinstresses for use by the mages there" is. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few Zirghurim Earth magi, and a large portion of the Earth magi residing in Ximax are probably Zirghurim as well. I might be mistaken though.

Oh, and you spelled "Ximaxian" wrong a few times. *Burninates* evil