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Author Topic: what rpg relevant information do you miss at santharia?  (Read 8520 times)
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Koldar Mondrakken
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« on: August 01, 2003, 07:08:22 PM »

Well, I guess in order to make things a little more transparent it would be good to know what seems to be the biggest gap and plot holes at the site that confuse the players.

What information might be helpful, what bothers you, what might be done different to make the info better accessable?

Don't think that is anything that might be changed within a day or something, I just would think some general info by people who do not know the site as good as mods or world developers what they find hard to find or understand would be helpful to make Santharia an even better site.

So just post what you find confusing, what you don't find at all and anything else that bothers you in finding information you seek. Some pointers would be helpful to know where to improve in the future or what problems prove more urgent than others. The Santharian world has grown so big that it is often diffiult to keep track of all the things that would need fine-tweaking, revising or more organization.


A small idea for rpg I had e.g. was that maybe adding typical names or proverbs to a tribe entry might be a neat idea.


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Radaroc
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2003, 02:28:22 AM »

Onething that alwasys gets me is some type of conversion rate for Santharian currency.  Like an average nights stay at an inn would cost; how much a decent sword would cost and the like.



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Mina
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2003, 02:54:22 AM »

I know you guys are probably working on this, but more information on Ximax, the Magical Academy, and magic in general would be very helpful to those trying to create magically-inclined characters.  Stuff like how shadowmancy works, the amount of time needed to reach each level, etc.  Also, as Radaroc mentioned, some kind of conversion rate would be very helpful too when you're role-playing.  

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2003, 03:09:22 AM »

I want to make clear that I'm not talking about San - Euro or Dollar or anything like that as the people hear are from all over the world



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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2003, 03:19:22 AM »

The main site (santharia.com) could definently become more user-friendly... Does this go under this topic or should I just shut up?

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2003, 02:41:22 AM »

I was thinking more in terms of the price list that I remember seeing somewhere on the development board.  I figured you were talking about something like that.  

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Koldar Mondrakken
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2003, 04:56:22 AM »

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The main site (santharia.com) could definently become more user-friendly... Does this go under this topic or should I just shut up?


More user friendly? Well, I guess this will cause Arti an heart attack because a complete relaunch of the site is probably among his ten worst nightmares. Given the amount of content on the site I can fully understand that.  :)  It would be helpful to be more specific here because a complete relaunch is something that I guess only manageable in this decade or century if at all.

Anyway, some more pointers what you can/cannot find would be helpful here, I guess.

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2003, 05:37:22 AM »

:eek  No, that's definently not what I was thinking of.
Just simple things, really, it's not that I can't use it, it's perfectly fine when you get used to it. It's just a bit wierd for a newbie. I've read up a bit on user friendlyness and tests that have been done and splash screens are supposedly a big no-no... also I feel the preloader actually makes the site load slower. I could be wrong, though.

As for the more obvious stuff, I don't know if the "site update" is really what a new visitor is interested in when entering the site. Maybe you should put it in a smaller asp thing (if that's what it's called) A new visitor would automatically move his view over to the side frame where he's used to see the most important links and a small white box to search with, but on the side frame there's
"- Awards I, II, III, IV, V
- Copyright Notes
- Supporting Santharia
- Web History Archive
... 2003 - I, II
... 2002 - I, II, III, IV, Best of
... 2001 - II, III, IV"
Among other things.

I suggest you put the "site history" in a scrollable box the size of the little welcome text and make something a bit more useful with the rest of the space... erm... I'm going to have to think a bit on the rest... If you're interested, that is.

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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2003, 05:42:22 AM »

Christ! that has to be the worst piece of text, I've ever produced... did it make sense?

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2003, 06:22:22 AM »

Are we supposed to read stuff on the development board?  I didn't go there until after Rayne posted a link in my CD thread which was very helpful, I might add.

I thought all of the development board stuff was still under development and is put in the main site only after approval.  I don't know about anyone else, but I'd feel uncomfortable basing my character off of something that may be revised several more times before becoming official.  

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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2003, 08:55:22 AM »

Well, yes, the approved and finished stuff is on the site. However, a lot of stuff tends to be hanging in the system for quite some tme, thus becoming inernal knowledge... so do looma t the dev. board, it isnt that scary.


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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2003, 12:36:22 PM »

Not sure if I overlooked this or something, but what I'd like is a list of Santharia-style insults and swear words. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to avoid those in my rp posts. ;)  

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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2003, 12:58:22 PM »

:rollin
There are some insults and curses here.  


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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2003, 01:11:22 PM »

Ok, now that's weird, that's is exactly what I was looking for.......how'd I miss that?

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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2003, 01:30:22 PM »

I see what Reoneth is saying. When a newbie comes to the site, they typically don't care about Awards, and Web History archives, which is what you would see right off, as most site would have a menu to the content where this currently appears. If you were a newbie who had no clue about the material in the site, would you really care when a certain artical was uploaded or updated? Problebly not, you would want to see right away where the information you are looking for is, and without having to read about how to use the menu, go to it.

No offence Arti, the site looks great, but its just not newbie friendly. One should be able to spot where to go for the content at a glance, rather that have to play ascosiation games with icons.

My suggestions, though I am sure Arti will hate me for them are as follows:

Change the small icon menu to a text drop down menu, perhaps find a way to integrate the icons into into dropdown menu.

Have the scroll menu display a link menu that mirrors the dropdown when the page first loads, and again the icons can be added to this, but there should also be clear text lables. (This may remove the need for my first suggestion should they put together that the icons at the top match those in the link menu, and put it together.) Perhaps even add clearly defined button to go back to this menu again.

Lastly and perhaps least objectionable, Change "Santharian Forum" on the top right to something that indicates more clearly that this is a developement board.

Ok, I am done with the general web design stuff. Hope I was not too hard on you Arti.

Other things would be like having a note beside certain races and trides in the Races section noting which ones we don't concider playable as PCs, so that at a glance, those looking at these would know they can not create a PC of that race or tribe. I know there are a few tribes of elves this is true for, perhaps other races have a few.

Having travel times, or distances from place to place would be good too. I know this would help me tons with my characters history developement, and would help add some sence of scale for players.

The money is a vary good point too. There should be some way a player could know a general base line for prices, of course not all merchants being equal. ;)

Also a list of typical rates of pay for certain genaric occupations, Fighters, Assassins, Craftsmen, Merchents, Magic users, and the like. This would help determine about what might be reasonable amount of currency for a particular character to carry.

OK, thats about all I can think of.


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