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[Falethas Whisperwind]

I remember vaguely that in the casting procedure of one of the spells in the Compendium (I think it was a wind spell, but I'm not sure), it said something along the lines of '...the mage then raises their hand or wand...'
The part that I'm concerned about is the wand.  So far, that is the only mention of a channeling/focusing tool I have seen on the site other than the various pics of mages holding staffs.  Do many magic users utilise wands/rods/staffs in their spellcasting, or is that merely to achieve the 'mystical' effect that the mage represents?  

[Marvin Cerambit]

No, they don't. Spell work purely be concentrating (so you could cast whatever without lifting a finger). However, such things as reagents, gestures or formulas can help the mage in his focus (thus enhance his concentration) and make it easier to cast a spell. Lower level mages can hardly cast without the help of reagents for example.

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[Twen Araerwen]

I would beg to differ slightly with you on this subject Marv. Wands, staves and other focusing devices may not be a necessity for a mage to cast their incantations. Though a few magi have been known to rely on these focusing devices to aid in their spells. This is more a mental dependance of the mage than an actual requirement but it does happen. More amongst humans than any other race, it is still viewed by most magi as a sign of weakness. A highly discouraged practice amongst all schools of magic I am certain, but not unheard of.

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Edited by: Twen  Araerwen  at: 5/31/06 20:15

[Marvin Cerambit]

Ah, yes appologies. I read 'do mages need to use...'

So yes, they use them (although normally only on lower levels or for complicated spells), but they don't need them.

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[Falethas Whisperwind]

Oh... So, from what you and Twen said above, does this mean that as a mage becomes more powerful and experienced in his particular school of magic, the need for formulae, reagents, and gestures becomes less and less necessary?
If that is the case, perhaps we should revise some spells to say that such and such may be used as a reagent.  As of yet, some spells imply that such and such must be used as a reagent when casting.  

[Marvin Cerambit]

Yep. Although they might still use it for complicated spell. Even if they don't need it, it might be mentally less tiring.

Many of what's on the site on magic is outdated unfortunately (and it's probably one of the reasons why magic is so complicated). Many spell are no longer 100% correct.

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[Twen Araerwen]

To my understanding and to what seems the general consensus on Reagents and Formulae, yes a mage becomes less dependant on these the more practiced a particular incantation is for them. But moving forward with anything encompassing many spell entries concerning Formulae and Reagents is on hold as these particular aspects of magic are still in discussion.

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[Silfer Darkflare]

Agree with all of the above. The reason every spell has reagents is that at sometime, you learn that spell, and while learning it, such tools are useful.  

[Bard Judith]

Leaving it open-ended (they may use devices,  which assist them, but they do not have to) works best for me.

That would allow me to make sure there is no conflict in how the dwarves view magic.   Reagents, staves, or other focusing devices are considered necessary 'tools', - but likewise magic is rather bound up with prayer, belief, and willpower in their perspective.  
(Not to throw in a wild card at this stage of the game - they play by the same rules as 'Ximaxian' magic, but probably view it more as 'clerical' magic - as far as I understand it...)

So to the devout but pragmatic dwarves, their skill/strength/magical ability comes from Urtengor, who allows them to use 'tools' to manipulate magic.  Even the most skilled sculptor or smith still needs a chisel, or a hammer, to make the stone/metal do what he wants... so there is no particular feeling that reagents should be dispensed with at higher levels.  

Nothing in there conflicts with what's being decided in general, I hope?

[Drasil Razorfang]

Yes...I was under the impression that dwarves hated magic...This is probably just my mind making stuff up again.  Bad Drasil    

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[Twen Araerwen]

Most assuredly not all magicians view the same things with equal light Dear Judith. Though I can see how a dwarf's faith reinforces his willpower, faith does this for many people in the real world. This faith or willpower being aided with specific objects makes alot of sense as well. Pardon my use of mundane words, but various religious objects grant strength of faith in many ways. AKA... the crucifix.

Though Clerical magic is undefined, as we await Lady Talia's words for enlightenment. Theoretically it could be linked on the most basic of levels with Ximaxian magic. But mentioning this to a Cleric or Lady Talia might bring about a fate worse than death.  

P.S.: I think our Dear Bard mentioned that dwarves would work with Earth magic (Obvious the reasons why) and fire (Due to smelting and forging) though much less than earthen magics. If I recall properly she had mentioned this chatting with Thorgas when he created his dwarven mage.

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Edited by: Twen  Araerwen  at: 6/1/06 0:10

[Falethas Whisperwind]

Do different races possess different hanthamería based upon their cultures and views, then?  I mean, like the Bard said, dwarves would most likely be aligned with Earth and Fire Magicks.  Could we then say that Elves may be aligned more towards, say, the elements of Wind and Water?

Edited by: Ysuran Auondril at: 6/1/06 20:31

[Twen Araerwen]

Elves as a race are considered to be creatures of the wind. Though this varies slightly amongst the various tribes the general association is the element wind. Oh and Orcs are fire.  

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Edited by: Twen  Araerwen  at: 6/1/06 20:38

[Falethas Whisperwind]

Both of which make sense, judging by the ways in which these races live their lives.

Edited by: Ysuran Auondril at: 6/3/06 22:44

[Bard Judith]

Er... 'hanthamería'?  I have hanthamería?   (looks frantically over herself to see if she is coming out in spots... then quickly scans back over the other posts for some context...)    

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