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« on: 13 June 2009, 23:13:03 »

grin.. This wasn't really planned, but since I am working on an entry for this wonderfull creature, really vividly had an image in mind, and am in the process of brushing up my photoshop skills for a coming university project..

This is what's coming out, so I thought I'd share it with you guys, see what feedback I get from the pro's, hehe.

Obviously, there are still some photographic elements in there that need to be removed, ie some of the saddle. I'm in the process of doing that.

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> The fleece, while I gave it the first layer as it is, I was going to give it more detail which would make the hairs look thinner. Then again though, this being a creature that will be outside a lot, trudging through mud and snow, I thought the thicker variety would fit that more rather than thin, fine kempt fleece?

> I haven't quite gotten the hang of the fleece overlapping the reigns yet.. still working on that

> I won't be able to make a background for this.. I'm utterly useless at BGs ^^


A bit of background: This is a heavy, bulky pack-mount which will be hearded by some tribe, with their main purpose being transport of goods, not so much riding considering their slow movement speed, and possibly for their muscular meat. While they may be found herding out in the wild, most of them are reared by the folk. Given their long life times, exceltent strength, and calm nature the folk have grown quite close to them, decorating them with colours and what little jewlery this self-sustained farming tribe may have.

Anyways, hope you enjoy what part of it is there ;)

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« Reply #1 on: 14 June 2009, 02:20:15 »

Looks like a promising start, yet there's still quite a bit that needs to be done. I don't know how much digital drawing background you have, though the devil's in the detail :) The more time you put into a picture and the details and know where to put your energies, the better it becomes. And the less experience you have, the more time you need... So yeah, good start, yet too early to call, I'd say. Just go ahead with it! :D
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« Reply #2 on: 14 June 2009, 04:09:14 »

I agree with Art.  Go for it.  I like the front of the beast, nicely done.  Obviously this is a pic in the middle of being drawn so I am not going to bother pointing out areas that need work.  It is looking good.

You appear to be talented enough to attempt a background as well.  Place it on another layer and it can be simply removed if it doesn't turn  out right.  Keep it simple at first.
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« Reply #3 on: 14 June 2009, 05:07:06 »

Cheers Arti and Seeker, the encouraging feedback 's really much appreciated.

I'll go on with it, and iron the devil out of the detail after that ^^ hehe

grin Not so sure about the background yet, seeker, I'm so flattered you think I could pull it off. Who knows, maybe at the very end I'll give it a shot.. I'm thinking a snow covered slope with occasional shrubbery sticking out.. that should allow for a lot of white cheating, haha.
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« Reply #4 on: 14 June 2009, 06:36:22 »

I can't wait to see the finished picture! It is turning out quite well, Jonael!
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« Reply #5 on: 14 June 2009, 08:29:52 »

Yay Jonael!  I'm impressed - didn't know you could draw at all....    this is looking really cool!

If you need a bit of 'help' with the background, I don't mind a cooperative effort - just let me know.   If you do go ahead with snow, remember that it has blue and pink and purple shadows, not just pure white... :)
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« Reply #6 on: 14 June 2009, 18:01:37 »

^^ Thanks Kalina for the encouragement, glad you like it so far

If you do go ahead with snow, remember that it has blue and pink and purple shadows, not just pure white... :)

Yup, so there is, I'll make sure I use a multitude of colours.. Haha, you saying so just reminded me of "The girl with the Pearl Earring" movie, where Vermeer points out that clouds aren't white, but a beautifull explosion of grey, blue, yellow and pink... haha, dunno if anyone's seen that movie, I thought it was a nice watch grin
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« Reply #7 on: 18 June 2009, 05:06:01 »

So, I played around a little more with it, with two main focuses in mind:

1. As suggested by Artimidor, focus on detail. I made use of a variety of techniques, of which I hope to figure the better ones through your feedbacks grin

2. Especially with the saddle, incorporating some of the traditional colours and styles of garments of the tribe who herd these animals (still and entry in progress, but with a heavy tibetan inspiration ^^)


So, what's happened so far:

[] Attempted a new way of painting the animal's fur, giving it more detail without loosing that 'wild' 'dirty' texture. Gave more realistic shading to the roundness of its buldging shoulders/back

[] Worked out, what I think looks like a better way of showing the fur overlapping the reigns

[] This part of the saddle has been completed with the appropriate colours and patterns. I went for an orange/leather/dark red scheme. Also added much more detail to the cloth, wrinkles, highlights, folds..

Well, that's that for now, really looking forward to advice and feedback from you's all, to see what styles and techniques to continue with.. it always really helps grin
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« Reply #8 on: 18 June 2009, 10:19:31 »

Seriously Jonael, this is really good.  clap2 I don't know how long it is taking you, but you will get faster with practice.  I love the saddle and the cloth, folds etc.  Very realistic.  (I know you are using pictures and photos to work with, I do the same thing.)

Keep doing what you are doing.  And don't take the easy way out and have Judith do your background (She is so nice to offer).  You can do it really.  A snowy background will look good and will be relatively easy.  We will help you along if it doesnt turn out right the first time.

The fur looks great as well. Take out that red line and finish this guy. thumbup

Welcome to the artist forum, Artist Jonael.  +1 for trying something new and succeeding.
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« Reply #9 on: 18 June 2009, 10:29:16 »

I concur!  It's wonderful to see that we're going to have another artist in our fold....     I know that I learned something from every picture I've ever done, even the rejected ones.  This is looking awesome already, with a lot of improvement from #1 to #2 version.

Aura point from me as well,
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« Reply #10 on: 19 June 2009, 02:53:34 »

grin Cheers Seeker and Judy,

It means so much to me that you both enjoy my work and apreciate my progress. It's fantastically encouraging for me to work on and practice. Aye Seeker, as you suggested I will go on and try the background in due time myself too.. Once again though, thank you so much for offering your help though Judy, much appreciated.

As for the time it takes me.. Its not actually all that long, it's just that I don't have much time to sit down and have a crack at it due to my summer job taking up a large time of my day, and leaving me devastated at the end.. I'd say ther was 2hrs work between between #1 and #2.. long time I expect, but I do feel that as I get used to techniques and practice them more often the time taken decreases much.

grin I must say I'm truly flattered that you'd consider me as one of yous. *hold back a tear or two of joy* Thank you both with all my heart.

Anyhoo, Jonael rumbles off down a corridor to his little Aprrentice's office, mumbling vividly to himself and already laying out a fresh palette of colours in his mind..
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« Reply #11 on: 19 June 2009, 03:03:07 »

Yeah! What's with that other part behind the red line, Jonael? Or did you think: Red line, do not cross! lol Anyway, this seems to coming along really nice... Hope you've got the time to get the whole fellow done, looks very promising indeed! :D
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« Reply #12 on: 19 June 2009, 03:14:29 »

Yeah! What's with that other part behind the red line, Jonael? Or did you think: Red line, do not cross! lol Anyway, this seems to coming along really nice... Hope you've got the time to get the whole fellow done, looks very promising indeed! :D

Haha, the red line.. It is just a dividing line so that I have a reference up to which to work.. Seeing as it's been a long time since I last painted in photoshop, I wanted to try out different styles and methods out first, see what the Pros here thought worked best, and then go at the whole beast. That is why the part behind the red line is at its most basic still. Until then I was going to stick to a smaller section only though. I know, a slightly excessive way to enforce all that.. I promise it'll be gone on the next update grin
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« Reply #13 on: 24 June 2009, 04:46:16 »

On to that dreaded background.. I'm really not happy with some parts, but it just doesn't seem to work out sometimes. Will give it a day and try fix those parts up grin

Are there any major areas or pointers you could suggest I fix up first before moving on to the background?
As always, all ya advice is much appreciated
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« Reply #14 on: 24 June 2009, 04:55:20 »

The grass still looks picturesque to me, and it looks like he is missing his back two legs. Other than that, looks great!
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