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« Reply #15 on: 13 November 2015, 07:22:41 »

I think we're all approaching this question wrong. Rather than make the site easier to access on Google, why not go for an easier approach and try making the site easy to find through social media. Building a good website is hard, totally restructuring an old one without losing data is harder. On the other hand, constructing an easy-to-read, attractive looking Facebook page is incredibly simple.

I suggest that we reconstruct the Santharian Facebook from little more than a showcase for our art to an active advertising effort. This means members need to spread it as far as possible as quickly as possible.

It also means we need something to advertise. We have a lot of stuff here, but we can't advertise already written work. What we can advertise is empty space. We need to be able to say to potential developers not, "Look at all this cool stuff we've done," but rather, "Look at all this cool stuff YOU could be doing."

To this end I'd advise something like opening up a new continent or the like: we do have three continents with exactly 0 development after all. Of course, we'd write the framework for this new development space as a massive group project. I wouldn't dream of loading it all onto one person.

Any thoughts?
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« Reply #16 on: 14 November 2015, 11:38:12 »

Hello Ankhi! Nice to see more people chipping in :)

Regarding the social network idea: I'm not sure if it will be easier or more effective. After all I've started a Facebook page already and at least did a couple of updates. And invited people to share it, with negligible results. The basic idea would have been anyway that someone other than me takes responsibility for the Santharian Facebook presence, ideally a Facebook promotion team that tries to come up with all kinds of stuff to sustain such a presence. Be it with announcing site updates, gallery updates, quizzes, fantasy related discussion based on news (e.g. new fantasy film out etc.) If everything falls back on me (and the social media presence is one of those things), this is a recipe for disaster, because it only contributes to the fact that I'm quickly burning out. So yes, if there are people around that would like to take over with managing a Santharian Facebook presence (or any other kind of social media for that matter), be my guest. I'm all for spreading responsibility.

Concerning continent development: The thing is that we intentionally kept development of other continents back, because people would come in and develop their own ideas somewhere in the middle of nowhere without relation to the rest of Caelereth/Santharia whatsoever. So there would need to be a framework. Well, as you can see Val is now finishing her masterwork with the Mapping and Overview of Cyhalloi, so based on that outline it would be possible to allow new members to contribute. I wouldn't recommend to open up all continents though with an "Anything goes" attitude, because it would lead to very disjointed development. There's also a lot that could be done in areas that have a rough outline/history already, but where many tiny details like lore, stories etc. would be needed (and a Santharian province is as vast a whole continent elsewhere!). This worked pretty well with the Manthrian map I once made and people helped writing entries for lots of stuff that was visible on the map but without background history. Seagazer's latest works are also still Places entries in that Manthrian region. In the meantime we have added another huge map, the Map of Vardnn and there's a lot on it that needs to be "discovered" in entry form which allows a lot of creativity for anyone willing to help to make these Santharian provinces unique and fascinating. So as far as I see it, the framework (map, tribes, rough history) is there for that region, and there's still enough room for own ideas to realize in that context.

So on the one hand we have Cyhalloi that could be opened (as far as I'm concerned), providing however there'd be someone who tries to manage the development of that region as best as he/she can (Val? and/or other people that volunteer as a Cyhalloian task force). On the other hand we have detailed maps and outlines for Santharian provinces (Manthria/Vardnn). So these are some options I would suggest considering.
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« Reply #17 on: 14 November 2015, 20:16:45 »

How about a group project with a theme? We could select a region (I propose Vardynn or Cyhalloi) and then designate 5 entries as essential reading. Each person then writes a short entry which incorporates the five "base" entries in some way. Then for the next round, we each write a short entry which is based on the entries from Round 1.

I think this might be a fun way to revive our team spirit. The limitations would both spur creativity and give people an incentive to read/comment on other people's work.

What do you think guys?
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« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 05:24:18 »

Coren, sounds like an awesome idea. I like the idea of Vardnn, but Cyhalloi might be a good second option once Val gets done with the outline of the continent.

Would you like to decide the "essential readings" or would that been done collectively? I'm happy to delegate the picking to you, and I'm happy to help and write an entry or two.

Also, Artimidor's concerns about burn-out are really important. Human beings can't just run a site of this magnitude alone for any real length of time. You're very valuable, we wouldn't want to lose you.  evil
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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 07:19:39 »

Love it.  I vote for Vardynn.  :D  Because that is my newfound area of interest for reasons obvious on the RP Side.  This in large part because of Arti's amazing map.  Kudos Art.
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« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 07:31:41 »

I'm pretty much done with Cyhalloi's outline and would love it if it turned into a group project from here. There is quite a number of things in the outline that have no entry, and I would be happy to provide a categorized list..

If I could get permission, I would love to rewrite the Kasumarii-men tribe.

I should have Cyhalloi wrapped up in a few days, but between now and then would love any comments or suggestions anyone might have for the Orcs I've written up there- as I am not very good when it comes to them.
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« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 22:59:10 »

@Seagazer: Hey, I'm just here for the canapes!  :D Seriously, I don't know enough about Vardynn or Cyhalloi (how on earth do you pronounce that?) to pick the five entries myself.

Let's have a show of hands. Who'd be interested in a project like this? Do you want Vardynn or Cyhalloi?

Seagazer, maybe you could run point on this project and put up a poll?
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« Reply #22 on: Today at 01:45:19 »

As an added argument, I would think a Team Effort should focus on the Continent of Sarvonia, as this is the heart of the site at the moment.  The other continents are "extras" that until recently (in Development terms, not chronological because we all wander away, then return) were, if not restricted, at least discouraged from development.  This was to force the majority of work to be concentrated on the central areas.

Just my two sans.

And, Val, obviously this is aimed at the Team Project, not your work individually on Cyhalloi.  :)  I would have the same argument with having a Team Project centered on the Icelands, even though that is my neck of the woods.

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