Title: Voidras
Post by: Xarl on 03 January 2002, 23:16:00
I said I'd elaborate on it, so here it is.
Voidras is one of the chief tools of the Magi of Ximax for binding elements together and sensing magic. Supposedly distilled from the Etherial Void, it will change from a shimmer in the air to an aura of color in the presence of strong magic, and if it is used to bind elements together it will appear as a bright white. It is a critical component in most Detections and Summonings, and comes in many forms.
Wire Voidras is used to forge a link between objects, and manifests in the world as heat shimmers.
Cloth Voidras is used to detect or enhance magic, and it is also a major ingredient in stationary illusions. It is harvested from the Void's Edge.
Liquid Voidras, or Void Acid, is used to create portals by burning a hole through reality, into the Void, and back into reality. It is a deadly weapon, as it feeds on magic to give itself form. This vile substance is harvested from the Shadow Realm.
It is speculated by some of the Archmagi that Voidras is actually the source of magic, and as such should be used more sparingly. However, since the stuff dissapears after it is used, it is also thought that it returns to the Void after use, and as such is unlimited.
More needed, but so far?
Voidras is one of the chief tools of the Magi of Ximax for binding elements together and sensing magic. Supposedly distilled from the Etherial Void, it will change from a shimmer in the air to an aura of color in the presence of strong magic, and if it is used to bind elements together it will appear as a bright white. It is a critical component in most Detections and Summonings, and comes in many forms.
Wire Voidras is used to forge a link between objects, and manifests in the world as heat shimmers.
Cloth Voidras is used to detect or enhance magic, and it is also a major ingredient in stationary illusions. It is harvested from the Void's Edge.
Liquid Voidras, or Void Acid, is used to create portals by burning a hole through reality, into the Void, and back into reality. It is a deadly weapon, as it feeds on magic to give itself form. This vile substance is harvested from the Shadow Realm.
It is speculated by some of the Archmagi that Voidras is actually the source of magic, and as such should be used more sparingly. However, since the stuff dissapears after it is used, it is also thought that it returns to the Void after use, and as such is unlimited.
More needed, but so far?
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Title: Re: Voidras
Post by: Tarquet Galbar on 04 January 2002, 17:14:00
The only real problem I have with it is that you make it out as a physical substance. Where as, from what I gather from the entry, the Void is not physical.
" This is because the Etherial Void, in itself, is not truly real, it is only potential, and concepts such as time or distance simply have no meaning there."
Then you say something about the acid "burning a hole through reality, then through the Void, then back into reality". How would this work anyway? The Etherial Void surrounds the edge of Sorren, and no matter how far you travel in without the proper imagination and magic you're only a step away from the Desert of Light. So this stuff would only work -in- the Void, since it doesn't exist superimposed on Sorren, this stuff wouldn't really serve a purpose.
And something about it being used to bind elements. This is unclear. In what way, are the elements in a physical form? Or is this used in a 'magical' sense? If it's magic, then what would be the point? The elements don't need to be bound for magic to work, but power is merely drawn from them in one form or another, in a certain mixture if you want. Or are you saying that this is what binds elements in the first place? If that's the case, then there's already something else that does that, the Xeuá.
"(elvish: "the Connecting" ) The Xeuá is often viewed as the interdependence and mutual realization of the two cosmological principles of Ahm and Soór and means "the in-between", "the medium, the linkage of things", the Connecting, the Mediating Principle of elven cosmology. It is introduced in Chapter II of the Cárpa'dosía. Human philosophers often interpret the Xeuá also as the "spirit" or "soul" holding together the four elements of creation: the Wind, the Earth, the Water and finally the Fire. In this respect the Xeuá often is refered to as the fifth element, the transitory element between all others. It is the element which preserves similarities and makes contradictions possible. It is the principle (or element) bringing Aér'aí'chán to life."
What I gather from that, correct me if I'm wrong Art, then Xeuá is the force which "binds" or connects all the elements, and is also used in Life Magic since it does, in it's essence, bring things to life (as stated in the entry).
Last (finally!), why would the mages in Ximax both collecting somethign from the Etherial Void? Maybe my understanding of the geography isn't all that great, but it seems to be some distance from where Ximax is. How would they have learned of it in the first place?
Alright, maybe I sound a little mean, but I honestly don't mean it that way! It just isn't a good idea, IMHO. Eep! That sounds mean too, but I'm seriously not trying to be mean, besides, what does my opinion matter? Sorry in advance if you take offense to this, but please don't!
" This is because the Etherial Void, in itself, is not truly real, it is only potential, and concepts such as time or distance simply have no meaning there."
Then you say something about the acid "burning a hole through reality, then through the Void, then back into reality". How would this work anyway? The Etherial Void surrounds the edge of Sorren, and no matter how far you travel in without the proper imagination and magic you're only a step away from the Desert of Light. So this stuff would only work -in- the Void, since it doesn't exist superimposed on Sorren, this stuff wouldn't really serve a purpose.
And something about it being used to bind elements. This is unclear. In what way, are the elements in a physical form? Or is this used in a 'magical' sense? If it's magic, then what would be the point? The elements don't need to be bound for magic to work, but power is merely drawn from them in one form or another, in a certain mixture if you want. Or are you saying that this is what binds elements in the first place? If that's the case, then there's already something else that does that, the Xeuá.
"(elvish: "the Connecting" ) The Xeuá is often viewed as the interdependence and mutual realization of the two cosmological principles of Ahm and Soór and means "the in-between", "the medium, the linkage of things", the Connecting, the Mediating Principle of elven cosmology. It is introduced in Chapter II of the Cárpa'dosía. Human philosophers often interpret the Xeuá also as the "spirit" or "soul" holding together the four elements of creation: the Wind, the Earth, the Water and finally the Fire. In this respect the Xeuá often is refered to as the fifth element, the transitory element between all others. It is the element which preserves similarities and makes contradictions possible. It is the principle (or element) bringing Aér'aí'chán to life."
What I gather from that, correct me if I'm wrong Art, then Xeuá is the force which "binds" or connects all the elements, and is also used in Life Magic since it does, in it's essence, bring things to life (as stated in the entry).
Last (finally!), why would the mages in Ximax both collecting somethign from the Etherial Void? Maybe my understanding of the geography isn't all that great, but it seems to be some distance from where Ximax is. How would they have learned of it in the first place?
Alright, maybe I sound a little mean, but I honestly don't mean it that way! It just isn't a good idea, IMHO. Eep! That sounds mean too, but I'm seriously not trying to be mean, besides, what does my opinion matter? Sorry in advance if you take offense to this, but please don't!
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Edited by: Tarquet Galbar at: 1/3/02 11:26:44 pmTitle: Re: Voidras
Post by: Greybark on 04 January 2002, 23:20:00
Life magic: I guess I think of it as manipulating the product of Xeu? that exists in everything that is alive, rather than Xeu? itself. If a plant wilts, what has it lost? A portion of its lifeforce. Not Xeu?, necessarily. This lifeforce it what is manipulated by Brownie Lifemagic.
Ximax, voidras, and the Void: I wrote the description for the Etherial Void, and I think using voidras are one option, and especially the burning holes into the Void and back I have absolutely no problem with. Things taken from the Void can be real. Voidras would be a distillation of Void into a type of magic gunk used in spells and whatnot, if I have the concept right. No problems here.
Ximax, voidras, and the Void: I wrote the description for the Etherial Void, and I think using voidras are one option, and especially the burning holes into the Void and back I have absolutely no problem with. Things taken from the Void can be real. Voidras would be a distillation of Void into a type of magic gunk used in spells and whatnot, if I have the concept right. No problems here.
Title: Re: Voidras
Post by: Xarl on 04 January 2002, 23:25:00
Yes, the magical gunk idea is the one I have. Thanks, Jolly Green Gi... ermmm... Jolly Green Height-Challenged One!
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Title: Re: Voidras
Post by: Greybark on 04 January 2002, 23:29:00
Didn't the Jolly Green Giant have a tiny friend named Sprout?
Title: Re: Voidras
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 14 January 2002, 07:59:00
Just read it today for the first time, and as far as I see it doesn't necessarily contradict the Xeuá concept. The Xeuá is a spiritual thing, something you can't see, the links between these things.
Now Voidras could be a substance which enhances these links, makes them easier to be available for magic and therefore is also used when learning magic cause the magicians will sense the Xeuá easier. Something similar to a chemical experiment: If you add certain things it will react faster.
But I personally wouldn't see it as gunk, slime or whatever but more like a form of dust perhaps (I took the liberty and called it "Heaven's Dust" at the levels entry). It should be seldom of course, otherwise this would take the fun out of it.
Now Voidras could be a substance which enhances these links, makes them easier to be available for magic and therefore is also used when learning magic cause the magicians will sense the Xeuá easier. Something similar to a chemical experiment: If you add certain things it will react faster.
But I personally wouldn't see it as gunk, slime or whatever but more like a form of dust perhaps (I took the liberty and called it "Heaven's Dust" at the levels entry). It should be seldom of course, otherwise this would take the fun out of it.
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Title: Re: Voidras
Post by: Greybark on 14 January 2002, 10:35:00
yeah, sorry for calling it gunk, Art. Just trying to reality-check in as clear word-pictures as possible....
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Title: Re: Voidras
Post by: Xarl on 14 January 2002, 12:21:00
Yay, levels are in? *dashes off to look*
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Title: Re: Voidras
Post by: Tarquet Galbar on 14 January 2002, 18:25:00
O.o What levels?
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Title: Re: Voidras
Post by: Xarl on 14 January 2002, 22:30:00
Look over in the update, for some reason it wasn't up until late today. For those who read this later, check under Magic for Spell Levels.
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