Title: Naming
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 15 August 2004, 23:26:00
Yes...
I know this is a whole year over due but as they always say "better late than never" ^^
A power and ability that can be both a blessing and a curse if not used with the proper intentions. It is a strange power that should not be taken lightly for it can drastically change one's life with on single spoken word or an appropriately written tune, sung or played. Person's who are trained to have this pwer are specially choosen, for the power complicated and dangerous if not used with disgretion, for it is not only other's lives they can alter, their own is just as easy to make better or destroy. The voice is a very powerful instrument, so wisdom and knowledge is needed greatly for this ability to be expanded to the heights that it can be taken.
Before one can become a Namer, they are taught music and about the power it has to manipulate the world about them, if they discover the magic hidden deep with the heart of a musicians lore. Using their voice in song to heal, to destroy, and alter in some form or another. It is in this part of their training they learn how to put certain words together in song to create the desired result. From there, composing music with the words. The notes must be exactly right or the ending result will not be what the Singer had hoped for. A minor tune will have the opposite affect of which a major tune would have.
In music, there are seven notes in a scale. Listed from one to seven are:
~Lisele - ut
~Frith - re
~Merte - mi
~Kuih - la
~Brige - sol
~Luesa - ela
~Grei - ti
With those seven notes, any tune can be composed and backed with harmony. Every creature and object gives off their own song that can be harmonized with other's if properly conjoined. Sometimes, it may take a slight alteration in the song to accomplish the task. To heal a living creature or plant, slightly altering their own song to strengthen them and to spend up the self-healing process.This is done by playing their song yet altering one note, either higher or lower. It might also be adding or removing a note from the song, In strange cases, a new song may need to be written to perhaps heal something that is severely damaged or someone that is desperately ill or injured. Harmonizing the new song with the old will cause them to blend and work together to bring all the shattered pieces back to the way they should be.
Every Singer has a note in the scale that their body claims as their own. This note, when blended in harmony with the world, allows that Singer to be able to do many things. E.g. - If he/she were sitting in the field of tall grass, they could harmonize their note with the grass' song and in that unification, she would be seen as the tall grass to any passerby. Their body will feel ligyht and airy for the winde will pass through them, just it would with tall grass. They will move with the breeze just as the grass around them would. This ability is often a defensive move and wuold be used in no other instance. Another way their note is useful to them is when they wish to learn more about something. This can be defined for direction or general information. Also to know what something have have experienced to make it the way it is today. Usually, complete concentration is needed for them to perform this manuever and at times, interruptions can cause disaster, depending on what they were trying to accomplish.
That is all I have for now...more will be coming shortly *crosses fingers* if my brain decides to work with me...
I know this is a whole year over due but as they always say "better late than never" ^^ A power and ability that can be both a blessing and a curse if not used with the proper intentions. It is a strange power that should not be taken lightly for it can drastically change one's life with on single spoken word or an appropriately written tune, sung or played. Person's who are trained to have this pwer are specially choosen, for the power complicated and dangerous if not used with disgretion, for it is not only other's lives they can alter, their own is just as easy to make better or destroy. The voice is a very powerful instrument, so wisdom and knowledge is needed greatly for this ability to be expanded to the heights that it can be taken.
Before one can become a Namer, they are taught music and about the power it has to manipulate the world about them, if they discover the magic hidden deep with the heart of a musicians lore. Using their voice in song to heal, to destroy, and alter in some form or another. It is in this part of their training they learn how to put certain words together in song to create the desired result. From there, composing music with the words. The notes must be exactly right or the ending result will not be what the Singer had hoped for. A minor tune will have the opposite affect of which a major tune would have.
In music, there are seven notes in a scale. Listed from one to seven are:
~Lisele - ut
~Frith - re
~Merte - mi
~Kuih - la
~Brige - sol
~Luesa - ela
~Grei - ti
With those seven notes, any tune can be composed and backed with harmony. Every creature and object gives off their own song that can be harmonized with other's if properly conjoined. Sometimes, it may take a slight alteration in the song to accomplish the task. To heal a living creature or plant, slightly altering their own song to strengthen them and to spend up the self-healing process.This is done by playing their song yet altering one note, either higher or lower. It might also be adding or removing a note from the song, In strange cases, a new song may need to be written to perhaps heal something that is severely damaged or someone that is desperately ill or injured. Harmonizing the new song with the old will cause them to blend and work together to bring all the shattered pieces back to the way they should be.
Every Singer has a note in the scale that their body claims as their own. This note, when blended in harmony with the world, allows that Singer to be able to do many things. E.g. - If he/she were sitting in the field of tall grass, they could harmonize their note with the grass' song and in that unification, she would be seen as the tall grass to any passerby. Their body will feel ligyht and airy for the winde will pass through them, just it would with tall grass. They will move with the breeze just as the grass around them would. This ability is often a defensive move and wuold be used in no other instance. Another way their note is useful to them is when they wish to learn more about something. This can be defined for direction or general information. Also to know what something have have experienced to make it the way it is today. Usually, complete concentration is needed for them to perform this manuever and at times, interruptions can cause disaster, depending on what they were trying to accomplish.
That is all I have for now...more will be coming shortly *crosses fingers* if my brain decides to work with me...
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Edited by: Kalina Merenwen at: 1/9/06 17:21Title: ...
Post by: Kikhku on 16 August 2004, 05:40:00
Hmm... Iunno if such extreme effects could be achieved unless the song was a long one, hours long to preform I suppose. It seems like some really powerful magic, but it looks like it could be fun!
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Mina on 16 August 2004, 07:34:00
I'd suggest integrating it with a culture or something. For it to be so structured, the tradition would probably have been in existance for quite a while. Maybe you could include some information about the people who practice it. Right now it seems...well, I'm not sure how to put it, but it feels a little odd.
I'm tired and I don't know if what I said made any sense, but, yeah, that's all I have to say for now.
I'm tired and I don't know if what I said made any sense, but, yeah, that's all I have to say for now.
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 16 August 2004, 09:08:00
Like I told you Mina...it is complicated and not normal, that is why it is so difficult to describe. :P
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Title: speak of the devil and...
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 16 August 2004, 13:58:00
Nah, just joking Kal, in case you didn't notice 
Was talking to Art just the other week about what happened to the namers entry. As for culture and people, and perhaps some suggestions and new ideas please find me either on MSN or IRC. I really need to talk to you. Glad the topic is brought up at last.
Take care
Was talking to Art just the other week about what happened to the namers entry. As for culture and people, and perhaps some suggestions and new ideas please find me either on MSN or IRC. I really need to talk to you. Glad the topic is brought up at last.
Take care
Title: Re: speak of the devil and...
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 18 August 2004, 14:09:00
Well, as has already been mentioned, currently what we have lacks a bit organisation. You should consider putting it all in various sections, Kalia, where you deal with different aspects of this kind of "magic". It would also need a place and a tribe, yup.
I could for example imagine this kind of magic at an Aeruillin tribe, as it is a bit exotic, and we don't have any magic yet down there south.
From the Ximaxian point of view this would still be interpreted as magic focussed on spell formulas, where the formulas themselves also are identical with the effect (unlike at Ximaxian formulas which simply serve as tools to prepare the caster's mind, but can be omitted when you're good). So I see this entirely possible from a "scientific" point of view of the Magical Academy.
The idea basically needs better organistation and more details (Origins, Background, Tribe etc.), then I guess this could turn out pretty interesting.
I could for example imagine this kind of magic at an Aeruillin tribe, as it is a bit exotic, and we don't have any magic yet down there south.
From the Ximaxian point of view this would still be interpreted as magic focussed on spell formulas, where the formulas themselves also are identical with the effect (unlike at Ximaxian formulas which simply serve as tools to prepare the caster's mind, but can be omitted when you're good). So I see this entirely possible from a "scientific" point of view of the Magical Academy.
The idea basically needs better organistation and more details (Origins, Background, Tribe etc.), then I guess this could turn out pretty interesting.
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Title: Re: speak of the devil and...
Post by: Mina on 18 August 2004, 16:13:00
I think it doesn't necessarily have to be a tribe, just a group of some kind. It could be a deviant sect of one of the major religions, or maybe a rather loose organisation like the druids, or something else altogether. A tribe might not be very practical, because it'd probably be difficult to integrate it with an existing tribe, and creating a new tribe might be too troublesome.
Title: ...
Post by: Kikhku on 18 August 2004, 22:45:00
Why not have an organization of namers similar to the druids? Also, I think this magic should be wild and untamed. The results should be unpredictable because of tiny uncontrollable changes in their voices. The magic could be about as unprecise and unpredictable as clerical magics. Just an idea.
Kali, I'd love to help you with the spells! ^^
Kali, I'd love to help you with the spells! ^^
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 20 August 2004, 00:43:00
My entry, as I have said, not finished by a long shot and I am positive a lot of aspects will be covered once I finish the entry...it is just so difficult to put into words...GAH! *brain turns to mush from trying to think too hard*
And Kik...there are no spells with Naming...this is completely outside of the Ximaxian box...just to let you know
Music in itself is wild and untamed, you can do anything with it, that is what makes this so unique.
And Kik...there are no spells with Naming...this is completely outside of the Ximaxian box...just to let you know
Music in itself is wild and untamed, you can do anything with it, that is what makes this so unique. "...Life is a story that is waiting to be written. It is up to us to make it exciting and unforgettable..." - Shara
Edited by: Kalina Merenwen at: 8/19/04 8:47Title: Re: ...
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 12 August 2005, 15:39:00
Needed on the RPG-board
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Title: Re: ...
Post by: Lucius Helvil on 12 August 2005, 16:39:00
Mabey it could be a rare gift given by the gods to few. Or something that is inheirated. I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 13 August 2005, 13:51:00
Yes, that's a good idea, Kalina, maybe we could integrate it somehow into clerical magic - not attached to a specific god, but to any of them. So maybe a cleric of nehtor could heal with his songs, a Grothar adept could sing till it rains, an Arvins cleric could be an orpheus - no, that doesn't fit
But it is your idea - just get going again!
But it is your idea - just get going again!
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Title: Re: ...
Post by: Erian Melor on 13 August 2005, 13:59:00
I don't like the idea of naming being associated with clerical magic. It seems like that would just make naming another way of casting clerical magic. This is a unique entry, and that suggestion might make it less unique. But as Talia said, this is Kalina's entry and any decisions are hers to make.
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Title: Re: ...
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 13 August 2005, 15:48:00
ermm you don't "cast" clerical magic, you cast spells!
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Title: Re: ...
Post by: Mina on 13 August 2005, 23:46:00
Kali intended it to be druidic, I think. Of course, this means we need to finish up druidic magic before work on this can continue...
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 16 August 2005, 22:21:00
Yes, the final decision I believe was druidic magic in some form or another. :
s:: I keep wanting to finish this entry and something comes up and it gets pushed down the list. Perhaps it should be my coming back present for Santharia. 
Someone find that
and beat me over the head with it repeatedly to get my brain working properly and logically, not emotionally so I can function like my normal chaotic self. : egs:: 
s:: I keep wanting to finish this entry and something comes up and it gets pushed down the list. Perhaps it should be my coming back present for Santharia. Someone find that
and beat me over the head with it repeatedly to get my brain working properly and logically, not emotionally so I can function like my normal chaotic self. : egs:: Title: Re: ...
Post by: Bard Judith on 17 August 2005, 13:16:00
You also need to look at the proposal on Music (somewhere in the Misc. Forum if it hasn't been completely lost in the ezboard crash) before this can continue.
Talia and I are currently sorting out how contemporary musical notation is named, described, and written in Santharia - of course it won't apply outside of the kingdom, but it will be the standard notation for Compendium entries at the very least. If you could please wait until we have the correct note names, etc. then they can be incorporated into your entry.
Thanks!
Talia and I are currently sorting out how contemporary musical notation is named, described, and written in Santharia - of course it won't apply outside of the kingdom, but it will be the standard notation for Compendium entries at the very least. If you could please wait until we have the correct note names, etc. then they can be incorporated into your entry.
Thanks!
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 17 August 2005, 14:40:00
Well Judith, I don't have to necessarily wait, we can just incorporate them later. It will definitely be something to discuss.
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Bard Judith on 17 August 2005, 21:55:00
If you are still working on this entry, as it appears, though, I would appreciate you waiting to see what will be done with Music, or at least use the terminology we are developing. There is no issue of precedence here, as both proposals are still in the Dev Board, and no need to use the Terran vocabulary if a Santharian version exists.
Put simply: the Music entry will set standards for the way that we (residents of Santharia, Compendium writers, quasi-medieval humans) will think about and write about music - just as the Measurement entry did. It won't affect the general idea of your entry and certainly shouldn't affect the 'magical' way in which it works - I'm asking just that you incorporate the terms we're going to be finalizing soon, that's all. If Talia and I can decide a few things before next update, and the rest of the Namers concept is ready to go for then, it will be simple enough to have the two entries collated and coordinated, rather than putting something up that we then have to remember to change later.
Hope that clarifies what I originally meant -
Regards from the Bard,
Judith
Put simply: the Music entry will set standards for the way that we (residents of Santharia, Compendium writers, quasi-medieval humans) will think about and write about music - just as the Measurement entry did. It won't affect the general idea of your entry and certainly shouldn't affect the 'magical' way in which it works - I'm asking just that you incorporate the terms we're going to be finalizing soon, that's all. If Talia and I can decide a few things before next update, and the rest of the Namers concept is ready to go for then, it will be simple enough to have the two entries collated and coordinated, rather than putting something up that we then have to remember to change later.
Hope that clarifies what I originally meant -
Regards from the Bard,
Judith
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 21 August 2005, 12:40:00
Again, if it is just the musical terminology, there will be no need to wait, easy enough for me to incorporate it later when ready
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 31 December 2005, 09:27:00
::Pokies thread::
Hey everyone. I know I have been really slow but RL just dumped me hard ><
It seems I need to start this concept back up again so I will be doing a bit of revising and what not....comments/suggestions to help along the process are always welcomed.
Hey everyone. I know I have been really slow but RL just dumped me hard ><
It seems I need to start this concept back up again so I will be doing a bit of revising and what not....comments/suggestions to help along the process are always welcomed.
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Pikel on 31 December 2005, 16:03:00
Hey kali
Talia is starting a new Template for Magical systems, so Naming will probably have to be formatted to fit that template.
Template can be found Here.
Glad to see that you're gonna be working on this
Talia is starting a new Template for Magical systems, so Naming will probably have to be formatted to fit that template.
Template can be found Here.
Glad to see that you're gonna be working on this
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Title: Re: ...
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 31 December 2005, 17:13:00
Ya, I saw that and I am actually THANKFUL for it simply because I had no idea how to format this entry at all. It might actually help the revision proess go faster.
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Pikel on 01 January 2006, 17:26:00
Yeah, it helped alot in the organizing of Druidic Magic.
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Title: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 07 January 2006, 13:03:00
I just finished reading through the entry (as is) and I am very pleased. Druids and their magic has always been a fascination to me and they way Pikel was able to describe it, (though I do disagree with some word usages) was very good considering the task.
I am also pleased that for my Naming entry, nothing will really have to be altered because of the fact the idea in my head came to live extremely close.
w00t! Basically as I see it, Naming is the musical adaption to the druidic orders..though their abilities are not elemental and do limit themselves to simply the druidic orders but have brought in a bit of each order into their magic.
"essesence"...not overly fond of that word and I personally believes it breaks up the entry and makes it rocky instead of smooth off the tongue. I agree with Judith in the other thread "soul" or something along those lines would be more appropriate but then again, I am not writing the entry.
Also, with naming, they take it a step further in the belief that non-animant objects have this "soul" and have their own unique story to tell and use music to draw it from them. This also applies to all the abilities of the druidic orders. Though they have no direct "control" over the elements of the druidic order, they can manipulate them but unlike merging their souls, the listen to the objects song and learn to harmonize with it to create a "merger" to be able to manipulate it.
Right...i am going to stop there for now...mind is turning to mush but this has helped me greatly...thank you for listening to my ramblings.
I am also pleased that for my Naming entry, nothing will really have to be altered because of the fact the idea in my head came to live extremely close.
w00t! Basically as I see it, Naming is the musical adaption to the druidic orders..though their abilities are not elemental and do limit themselves to simply the druidic orders but have brought in a bit of each order into their magic.
"essesence"...not overly fond of that word and I personally believes it breaks up the entry and makes it rocky instead of smooth off the tongue. I agree with Judith in the other thread "soul" or something along those lines would be more appropriate but then again, I am not writing the entry.
Also, with naming, they take it a step further in the belief that non-animant objects have this "soul" and have their own unique story to tell and use music to draw it from them. This also applies to all the abilities of the druidic orders. Though they have no direct "control" over the elements of the druidic order, they can manipulate them but unlike merging their souls, the listen to the objects song and learn to harmonize with it to create a "merger" to be able to manipulate it.
Right...i am going to stop there for now...mind is turning to mush but this has helped me greatly...thank you for listening to my ramblings.
Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: so orril miesefer on 03 March 2006, 19:06:00
Wow... this gaves me an idea, what if this is one way of the elven magic??? good don't you think so.
Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 04 March 2006, 11:28:00
It is actual Druidic Magic.
I believe it was discussed that Elven Magic will be very similar to that of Ximax, just basically taught in a different fashion.
But it is definitely an idea to ponder upon
I believe it was discussed that Elven Magic will be very similar to that of Ximax, just basically taught in a different fashion.
But it is definitely an idea to ponder upon
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Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Rhapsody Mythlinis on 04 March 2006, 12:04:00
Hmm.
If I will be aiding with the Music of Santharia, perhaps there would be a way to integrate this into it as well. Even though it is a form of magic, the musical aspect is what I could help with.
Just need to finish my Character's history first. Then I shall have more time to contribute.
If I will be aiding with the Music of Santharia, perhaps there would be a way to integrate this into it as well. Even though it is a form of magic, the musical aspect is what I could help with.
Just need to finish my Character's history first. Then I shall have more time to contribute.
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Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: so orril miesefer on 04 March 2006, 17:56:00
Here is my idea (that I wish in some time Arti let me make it true)
Elves belives in Avá, only them know that she is the spirit of nature, so elves would try to interact with Avá, and what is best to say someone that you love she than with a song? So elven magic actually would be like the ancient druids, they tryed to conect themself with the nature trough chantics and herbs (Wizard leaf aplication) but what they really do is make the common magic with a diferent way.
If someone likes my idea please tell me.
Elves belives in Avá, only them know that she is the spirit of nature, so elves would try to interact with Avá, and what is best to say someone that you love she than with a song? So elven magic actually would be like the ancient druids, they tryed to conect themself with the nature trough chantics and herbs (Wizard leaf aplication) but what they really do is make the common magic with a diferent way.
If someone likes my idea please tell me.
Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 07 March 2006, 11:22:00
It is an idea, yet not really in the direction which I had planned for this particular magic to turn. It is not based off of any other magic system and has nothing to do with elemental magic or clerical magic.
Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 07 March 2006, 11:28:00
Your idea is very near the druid magic, Orril - not too good.
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Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Mina on 07 March 2006, 11:34:00
I don't think that's the way Dasson wanted elven magic to work, and should I end up developing it (which I might do if Dasson doesn't want to do it anymore and I find an elf expert to help me), that's not how I'd want it to work either. What you described sounds more human than elven to me. Or at least more primitive than the elves anyway.
Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 07 March 2006, 14:02:00
The final decision on this entry (which is not the updated one sadly so I will need to hound my computer for the updated) was it was druidic in nature. Since it deals so closely with the ideals of the druids.
Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 07 March 2006, 14:39:00
Rheine was working on elven magic? That's new to me..
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Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Mina on 07 March 2006, 14:49:00
Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 07 March 2006, 15:37:00
She wanted to do the inofficial magic users, witches, etc. but well, what I see on the RPG-board, she is very busy and doesn't even get around to post there, so I doubt she should start with such a project like elven magic.
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Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: so orril miesefer on 07 March 2006, 17:52:00
Well, it was just an idea... after all if I will do the elven magic I would need help, Silfer would be helping me (or that's what I think) and maybe Twen... And that idea needs a lot of work still, is just a very simple sketch.
Title: Re: Spinning Thoughts
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 21 April 2006, 18:26:00
I was alerted of Twen by of this thread when I mentioned to her that this would be vedry good as Elven magic and she told me raise the point on this board so here it is.
Proposition: For Elven Magic, as I know you will not allow me to do it, I believe that soemthing along the lines of what is seen in thispost should be used for Elven magic in a combination with the magic of nature. The Elves magc would only affect nature and her creationa and thier spells would be recited through singing to the object they wished to affect. The songs would vary based on the desired affect.
Proposition: For Elven Magic, as I know you will not allow me to do it, I believe that soemthing along the lines of what is seen in thispost should be used for Elven magic in a combination with the magic of nature. The Elves magc would only affect nature and her creationa and thier spells would be recited through singing to the object they wished to affect. The songs would vary based on the desired affect.
Title: My thoughts
Post by: Elshaynwen Eruraviel on 21 April 2006, 18:35:00
Though I'm new and have only rescently joined Santharian, I made a comment about this type of magic in one of my first posts. What if it's not a group specific magic as it can be used to do a large variety of different things. I think it should be classified as a magic unto itself, perhaps there's a school for bards or a school that is specifically devoted to those who wish to learn this type of magic?
Is it elven in style? Yes.
Is it druic in style? Yes.
Perhaps elves and druids were the first to use this magic?
Perhaps elves were the first then shared it with the druids who in turn with elves shared it with the world and created a school?
I think this magic type has a lot of potential and a great 'all encompassing' school. It could be the merging point for all the other magics.
But there's my two cents.
Is it elven in style? Yes.
Is it druic in style? Yes.
Perhaps elves and druids were the first to use this magic?
Perhaps elves were the first then shared it with the druids who in turn with elves shared it with the world and created a school?
I think this magic type has a lot of potential and a great 'all encompassing' school. It could be the merging point for all the other magics.
But there's my two cents.
Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Twen Araerwen on 22 April 2006, 01:02:00
Drasil and Elshaynwen Eruraviel, such inquiries should be handled outside the thread I refer you to. As elven magic may one day be based around this style of magic, or something more druidic but this is all not part of this particular entry. But I do have alot of ideas that I would like to express to your ideas. So maybe creating a thread with your ideas would be in order Drasil? As this would draw others to the new discussion, quite likely people that would also have alot of good input.
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Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 22 April 2006, 08:21:00
Well, so far we did not distinguish too much between elven magic and human magic. Xiamxian magic is NOT just human magic, but valid for all races - all are studying there, and clerical magic covers both, for both humans and elves (and other races) belief in the Aviaria. So though there are different magic approaches like Kalina's naming or the druid magic, so far elves don't have a different magic than the other races.
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Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Twen Araerwen on 22 April 2006, 10:29:00
Thank you very much for your input Lady Talia. Yet this raises more questions for me than I previously had. Arti talked about Elven magic and how it may vary from Ximaxian and Clerical magic: Here. As it seems somewhat undecided on how it varies, Drasil asked me if he should bring the concept up once more. Since very few things get done until they are talked about, making such a thread would seem to me as the most logical first step.
You are right in that their magic is no different than the other races but it does seem that it is a mixture of them. Exploring the nuances of their magic and in what direction it could be written in, sounds like an interesting discussion to myself and a few others.
As we strive to make all things on Santharia unique and original it is only natural that people look to the newer forms of magic I.E.. Naming, Druidic ect... For answers to old problems.
P.S.: Also stated within that thread. Quote from Arti " Are there elves in Ximax? I don't think so." Though it is debated there that a few elves would attend Ximax, yet I think that is more of an elfs expression to learn on a more indepth level than most other races. Basically attending Ximax to get an even broader view of the magics of the world.
at: 4/21/06 18:44
You are right in that their magic is no different than the other races but it does seem that it is a mixture of them. Exploring the nuances of their magic and in what direction it could be written in, sounds like an interesting discussion to myself and a few others.
As we strive to make all things on Santharia unique and original it is only natural that people look to the newer forms of magic I.E.. Naming, Druidic ect... For answers to old problems.
P.S.: Also stated within that thread. Quote from Arti " Are there elves in Ximax? I don't think so." Though it is debated there that a few elves would attend Ximax, yet I think that is more of an elfs expression to learn on a more indepth level than most other races. Basically attending Ximax to get an even broader view of the magics of the world.
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Edited by: Twen Araerwen at: 4/21/06 18:44Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 22 April 2006, 14:58:00
*cowers in fear as he knows Twen is going to get anfry for not creating a new thread* It was my understanding that Elves learned magic in thier own school(I think its like the Twin Towers or something?) because they do not agree with teh human methods. Also Elves are often considered to be a naturally magic people almost everywhere but here, though it is hinted. It is my belief, and I think twen's also, that their magic would pertain to nature as it is a primary part of thier beliefs. Also, naming seems very "elvish." For when we do develop Elven magic, I think that it should be a combination of the two, that ALL elves can learn and have an innate ability to use. I also believe that since this magic is borne inside them, they are not able to teach it to others, and noone, not even a half-elf has the ability to use it. Also, as the elven school of magic is different, this form of magic should be allowed to be trained there, and maybe delegates venture out every year to teach all elves a basic knowledge of thier magic so they can use it to do minor things, e.g. sing fruit out a tree or such.
Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Mina on 22 April 2006, 23:51:00
I believe that elven magic is likely to be very similar to Ximaxian magic, given that Ximaxian magic originated from elven magic. IMO, Ximaxian magic could be said to be a 'humanised' branch of elven magic, with significant orcish and dwarven influence. Rayne seems to think that elven magic would be almost identical to xeua magic (or ecua, in the case of dark elves), which is close enough, I suppose.
Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 23 April 2006, 00:47:00
I agree with Mina - we handled it this way all the time. And as stated before - everyone can learn magic, though elves are generally more talented to do it than other races. I doubt, that you cna change what we thought so far now, for there are small traits of ot in many entry, you can't change all these, you won't even find them. Developing a entirely new magic system is anyway of topic and banned for now. that doesn't mean, that elves can have a different way of using magic than the humans, but the base should be the same. It isn't so, that both races grew up totally independee from each other.
And what (most) other worlds do with their elves and magic is not of interest here .
at: 4/22/06 8:50
And what (most) other worlds do with their elves and magic is not of interest here .
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at: 4/22/06 8:50Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Mina on 23 April 2006, 03:15:00
I'm not saying that all magic systems should be similar, Talia. However, in this case, there is, as far as I am aware, a historical basis for the two forms of magic to share a lot of similarities.
And, yes, we don't have to follow what other worlds do. In fact, most of the time, it's probably better not to. Generic fantasy worlds don't make sense.
And, yes, we don't have to follow what other worlds do. In fact, most of the time, it's probably better not to. Generic fantasy worlds don't make sense.
Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 04 May 2006, 20:30:00
Question - Is this the only Naming thread left? I distinctly remember writing more than this at one point.
Perhaps it was wiped in the hack ; ;
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Perhaps it was wiped in the hack ; ;
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Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 05 May 2006, 05:13:00
I tought so as well, but did you do another thread?
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Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 05 May 2006, 06:41:00
I thought I had created a new thread for it...
I don't know - it was so long ago that I can't seem to remember much other than I know I had written a lot more.
Oh well - rewritting anyways >.>
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I don't know - it was so long ago that I can't seem to remember much other than I know I had written a lot more.
Oh well - rewritting anyways >.>
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Title: Re: My thoughts
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 05 May 2006, 08:16:00
+pokes Kalina* What about my proposal to include it in clerical magic?
I'm not offended, if you say no!
I'm not offended, if you say no!
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