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Title: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 26 May 2007, 04:21:55
THE ICEMILK

APPEARANCE - TERRITORY - USAGES - MYTH/LORE
 

Icemilk (or "Icemilch, Pixies'milk, Garlickbane") is a common weed which grows liberally on wasteland and secrets a white, rosemint-flavoured sap which refreshes the mouth and breath.

Appearance. Icemilk stands only about a handsbreath tall, on short, hollow stalks with faint lateral ridges which branch out into dull spikes surrounding the main cup of the flower.  Fat oval leaves, each no more than a palmspan long,  emerge in a rosette pattern around the base of the main stalk, one or two layers deep.  About ten to fifteen substalks grow from each rosette, and in turn each support a conical flower composed of a cluster of florets.   The pale blue petals radiate from a central cluster of hollow greenish bracts that form a tapering cone about a fingerjoint in length.  Below ground, he root is thready and expansive, spreading quickly and shallowly to proliferate the plant and cover the ground quickly.


Territory. Found in areas ranging from the Heath of Jernais in the north to as far south as Narfost Plain, the Icemilk has a large area of habitation.  It tends to thrive on stony or otherwise poor soil. It does not grow well in extremes of temperature, or damp situations. Never found in swamplands or coastal locations, it is however common along fieldrows, road edges,  disturbed or tilled ground, and lightly shaded forest verges.

Usages. The stem and leaves of the plant secret a white, milky fluid with a strong rosemint taste. The fluid is very refreshing,  leaving its rosemint flavour and cooling effect behind on the tongue and breath. It has no known harmful effects to any age, gender, race, or species, but is more popular with some than with others. There are many who swear by its breath-freshening effect, and are known to use the Icemilk fluid almost daily! 

The sap is usually taken directly from the plant; the stem broken and squeezed onto the tongue or the thick leaf torn open and twisted to obtain a few drops of the refreshing fluid.  Then one can use one's finger to rub the fluid over the teeth and tongue, or as the elves often do, use a short frayed twig as a sort of brush to clean and freshen at the same time.   Some folk merely tuck a leaf directly into their mouth and chew meditatively on it when done their food; however, this tends to stain the teeth with the greenish substance of the leaf itself in the long run and is considered a rather 'middle-class habit' by those who assign such labels...     As the plant can readily be grown in containers, some people keep a pot of Icemilk in their kitchen gardens or near (not in) their washing area so that they can merely break off a leaf or two after meals.
   

Many receipts call for the Icemilk as one of its ingredients.  An example of this is Ormelin, a medicinal elixir that calls for 3 sips of Icemilk sap to be added in the creation of a mere two mugs of the strong tonic.  Three 'medium leaves' are used in the brewing of Rosemint Cordial - which, we must add, this compendium writer consumes almost daily!

Different people use the Icemilk to add fragrance to soap.  Even the Shen-D'auras, of the  Shendar People, use the Icemilk to flavour the fresh water bowls of their elaborate toilets, when it is available. 

The elven tribes often mix Icemilk sap with Mahood-Euwen spores and cook the resulting sticky concoction until it ‘sets’, then pinch off tiny pieces of the cooling mass into individual ivory-coloured candies, which they use to soothe orators’ throats, refresh their breath, and console children. They name these candies “As’en-soor’an”, or “Sweet-Spoken”.

Another race to utilize the flavour of the Icemilk is the Gnorian Gnomes.  They grow the Icemilk for various usages, including the production of candies, throat syrups, and flavoring mixes, though a good portion goes into the production of Ice Wine.  Some of the Ice Wine, in turn, is used to distill Ice Brandy.  Though not a common brandy, many connaisseurs consider this to be one of the better types.

Myth/Lore/Legends

As can be seen from one of Icemilk’s other common names, the plant is associated with the semi-mythical pixie folk. The other races of Caelereth vary in their beliefs as to whether or not pixies actually exist, but these minute folk are said to feed from the Icemilk, cutting down its stems with leafhopper-leg saws at night and carrying them away on the backs of Hedge Mice which they have domesticated! Human scholars are skeptical but with no eyewitnesses to the contrary, are unable to come to a firm consensus.

We provide for your entertainment an ancient receipt from the Marcogg area which claims.... well, read it for yourself!  Despite the disclaimer at the end, we offer no contemporary confirmation and suggest that you try at your own risk; the Compendium cannot be held responsible for results.


"A Drynke for Thy Lover or One Whom Thou Wouldst Have Love Thee:"

"Take ane sup of Ysemilch, two handfils of Etherflake gathered freshly, ane cup strong-brewed Effer-chaa, and three grains powdered Rhubi.   Combine togither yn a vessel of pure glass and stopper tightly.  Kepe as cool as ye may until the tyme yt ys needed.   Heat ane cup of wine - Sprynge Joye yf yt may be found - wyth cinna and other spices as to mull it.  Add thyse potion secrettly that thy lover may not see ye.  Then thrust a heated poker or fyre-rod into the cup of wine ere serving yt to thy lover.   There can no harmful thynge come from thys - save that thou add not more Etherflake ye may use once or thrice in a night..."


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 26 May 2007, 04:30:44
I already said you could take it, i know, but could you make an official notice in the proposals thread next time you want to take something on? Just to make sure i assign it to you and no two people start working on the same entry... assigning this one to you now. Enjoy!


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 26 May 2007, 05:06:44
Before I get this off the ground, I know I read somewhere about modern terms being used.  Are the following terms usable now in these entries:  Mint, Mentholated, Disinfective and Deoderizing?


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 26 May 2007, 05:42:13
Mentholated and Destinfective not, and Mint, well, you might change that into a Rosemint reference, the santharian Rose species that actually smells like mint, if i'm not mistaken.. Deoderisation is perfectly fine..


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 26 May 2007, 16:12:43
Euwen-spores
"Generally they are only used now in making the breath-freshening icemilk potion,"

What potion is this?  I'm looking in all the entries, but the only potion I see is Ormelin, which does not call for Euwen-spores.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Bard Judith on 26 May 2007, 16:23:42
Erm.... that looks like a tag-end which currently is not cross-referenced.  One more for you!   You can simply add a receipt to the end of the entry; it doesn't need its own separate reference.  Thumbs up for thoroughness....


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 26 May 2007, 16:27:34
Ok..though i'm not good at recipes

To impress you and Takor, I'm making sure I do my homework, lol.  I'm reading every entry in the compendium that references them.  I'm taking notes, then after, I shall try to pull it all together.  I know I don't want to get Thwacked on the wrist like you just gave Art.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Aurora Damall on 26 May 2007, 23:00:55
About the "flavoring of a Shendar toilet" part, ummmm.. I think it's just for smell cause I doubt they drink toilet water. Lol, drinking toilet water! :rolling:


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 26 May 2007, 23:09:49
The way I read the entry, it was the fresh water bowl that was flavoured, not the bucket for waste.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Aurora Damall on 26 May 2007, 23:46:21
Actually, they don't use Ice Milk at all. they use the Mil'no plant.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 27 May 2007, 00:02:02
Again, not the way I read the entry. 

Note:  the items in red are my own notes for integration later, while I'm doing my research.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Trelstahl on 27 May 2007, 01:04:00
Altario,

Just a heads up: if you really want to impress Takor, I'd suggest you read the Shendar Toilet entry.  Aurora is right - it's Mil'no.

http://www.santharia.com/culture/shendar_toilet.htm (http://www.santharia.com/culture/shendar_toilet.htm)


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 27 May 2007, 01:12:18
"The mil'no tent contains a bowl, a jug with fresh water with a few very young mil'no leaves swimming in it to clean face and hands and a bucket for the used water as well. When available the icemilk  is used as well for flavoring the water and adding a refreshing component."


I would suggest that perhaps you read it again and find THIS passage.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 27 May 2007, 01:42:16
I agree with the others on this one.  While I haven't actually read the entry, importing Icemilk is a bit impractical, especially if its sole use is for water for toiletry needs.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 27 May 2007, 01:43:19
I'm just going by what is already established.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 27 May 2007, 03:11:30
And sometimes whats been established needs to be changed because of practicality.  Unless you plan on having it grow in the Rahaz Dath, I think it would be best to make it either a luxury item for the Shendar, or ask Taliaif it would be possible to simply remove it.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 27 May 2007, 03:35:50
It does say "When Available", so I was already assuming that it was a luxury item.  I'm not going to change someone elses vision until they come back to tell me what they had planned.  I'm not sure if it is within my parameters to judge how others have used this plant, but to come up with a reasonable way to integrate it into the usages.  If Talia wants to take it out, I'll adjust accordingly.  If not, it will be listed as a rare use.  As a luxury item, I don't think it is too far a stretch.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Trelstahl on 27 May 2007, 12:23:01
Sorry Altario - you're right as well.   :)  When I read through the entry more carefully, I found the passage you've mentioned.  And I agree you've correctly indicated it to be something of a luxury item, which makes sense given its rarity.

::Goes to pull foot out of mouth.::

Cheers!

Trel.



Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 27 May 2007, 13:47:15
Not to worry.  No apology needed.  And you can leave the foot there if you wish. :grin:


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 31 May 2007, 03:04:30
Well, have a look at the entry now and let me know what you think of it.  This is my first attempt at a revision, so was unsure how much to change and what to leave, but I read every entry that referred to the Icemilk that I could find, and have incorporated everything into this entry.  I will make changes as needed.

Hope this meets with your approval, Judith. :)


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Bard Judith on 01 July 2007, 18:09:49
Just have to post this one line here so everyone can enjoy it:

"Even the Shendar People use the Icemilk, though they must import it at great cost, to flavour their fresh water bowels in their Shendar Toilets...."



Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Bard Judith on 01 July 2007, 18:50:16
Sorry about that, Altario - I know it was just a Freudian slip, but I couldn't resist posting it for everyone's appreciation!    (gives him an affectionate pat on the shoulder).  OK, now that we're all done chuckling, here's my 'Judification' of what you've done so far...

Personally I'd love to see all instances of 'milk' replaced with 'milch', and I think this entry would benefit from the same treatment, but that is a personal preference which you needn't respect if you prefer otherwise.   I haven't marked or changed it below - let me know what you think!  (hugs)

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THE ICEMILK

APPEARANCE - TERRITORY - USAGES - MYTH/LORE
 

Icemilk (or "Icemilch, Pixies'milk, Garlickbane") is a common weed which grows liberally on wasteland and secrets a white, rosemint-flavoured sap which refreshes the mouth and breath.

Appearance. Icemilk stands only about a handsbreath tall, on short, hollow stalks with faint lateral ridges which branch out into dull spikes surrounding the main cup of the flower.  Fat oval leaves, each no more than a palmspan long,  emerge in a rosette pattern around the base of the main stalk, one or two layers deep.  About ten to fifteen substalks grow from each rosette, and in turn each support a conical flower composed of a cluster of florets.   The pale blue petals radiate from a central cluster of hollow greenish bracts that form a tapering cone about a fingerjoint in length.  Below ground, he root is thready and expansive, spreading quickly and shallowly to proliferate the plant and cover the ground quickly.


Territory. Found in areas ranging from the Heath of Jernais in the north to as far south as Narfost Plain, the Icemilk has a large area of habitation.  It tends to thrive on stony or otherwise poor soil. It does not grow well in extremes of temperature, or damp situations. Never found in swamplands or coastal locations, it is however common along fieldrows, road edges,  disturbed or tilled ground, and lightly shaded forest verges.

Usages. The stem and leaves of the plant secret a white, milky fluid with a strong rosemint taste. The fluid is very refreshing,  leaving its rosemint flavour and cooling effect behind on the tongue and breath. It has no known harmful effects to any age, gender, race, or species, but is more popular with some than with others. There are many who swear by its breath-freshening effect, and are known to use the Icemilk fluid almost daily! 

The sap is usually taken directly from the plant; the stem broken and squeezed onto the tongue or the thick leaf torn open and twisted to obtain a few drops of the refreshing fluid.  Then one can use one's finger to rub the fluid over the teeth and tongue, or as the elves often do, use a short frayed twig as a sort of brush to clean and freshen at the same time.   Some folk merely tuck a leaf directly into their mouth and chew meditatively on it when done their food; however, this tends to stain the teeth with the greenish substance of the leaf itself in the long run and is considered a rather 'middle-class habit' by those who assign such labels...     As the plant can readily be grown in containers, some people keep a pot of Icemilk in their kitchen gardens or near (not in) their washing area so that they can merely break off a leaf or two after meals.
   

Many receipts call for the Icemilk as one of its ingredients.  An example of this is Ormelin, a medicinal elixir that calls for 3 sips of Icemilk sap to be added in the creation of a mere two mugs of the strong tonic.  Three 'medium leaves' are used in the brewing of Rosemint Cordial - which, we must add, this compendium writer consumes almost daily!

Different people use the Icemilk to add fragrance to soap.  Even the Shendar People use the Icemilk, though for them it is an imported luxury item,  to flavour the fresh water bowls of their elaborate toilets. 

The elven tribes often mix Icemilk sap with Mahood-Euwen spores and cook the resulting sticky concoction until it ‘sets’, then pinch off tiny pieces of the cooling mass into individual ivory-coloured candies, which they use to soothe orators’ throats, refresh their breath, and console children. They name these candies “As’en-soor’an”, or “Sweet-Spoken”.

Another race to utilize the flavour of the Icemilk is the Gnorian Gnomes.  They grow the Icemilk  for various usages, including the production of candies, throat syrups, and flavoring mixes, though a good portion  goes into the production of Ice Wine.  Some of the Ice Wine, in turn, is used to distill Ice Brandy.  Though not a common brandy, many  connaisseurs  consider this to be one of the better types.

Myth/Lore/Legends

As can be seen from one of Icemilk’s other common names, the plant is associated with the semi-mythical pixie folk. The other races of Caelereth vary in their beliefs as to whether or not pixies actually exist, but these minute folk are said to feed from the Icemilk, cutting down its stems with leafhopper-leg saws at night and carrying them away on the backs of Hedge Mice which they have domesticated! Human scholars are skeptical but with no eyewitnesses to the contrary, are unable to come to a firm consensus.

We provide for your entertainment an ancient receipt from the Marcogg area which claims.... well, read it for yourself!  Despite the disclaimer at the end, we offer no contemporary confirmation and suggest that you try at your own risk; the Compendium cannot be held responsible for results.


"A Drynke for Thy Lover or One Whom Thou Wouldst Have Love Thee:"

"Take ane sup of Ysemilch, two handfils of Etherflake gathered freshly, ane cup strong-brewed Effer-chaa, and three grains powdered Rhubi.   Combine togither yn a vessel of pure glass and stopper tightly.  Kepe as cool as ye may until the tyme yt ys needed.   Heat ane cup of wine - Sprynge Joye yf yt may be found - wyth cinna and other spices as to mull it.  Add thyse potion secrettly that thy lover may not see ye.  Then thrust a heated poker or fyre-rod into the cup of wine ere serving yt to thy lover.   There can no harmful thynge come from thys - save that thou add not more Etherflake ye may use once or thrice in a night..."











Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 02 July 2007, 00:25:20
 :shocked:  uhm..well, that was a Freudian slip wasn't it?

So does the title need to be changed to Icemilch?  and do I keep Icemilk as one of the other names it's known by?

And thank you Judith for checking it.  With all you've added, it may have been simpler for you to revise it in the first place. :cry:  My first attempt at revising, I'll get better, I promise. ;)


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 02 July 2007, 01:49:31
Milk and milch are both used, depending on the region/language I guess, so don't worry about the "milk", the name won't be changed as it has been referenced throughout the site already.

Does the first post now represent the fin al version and could it go up that way?


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 02 July 2007, 02:43:41
Thanks for reading, Altario ;)!
A closer look solves this puzzle - icemilk is not imported, but it grows according the submission above in the Narfost plain. So those Shendar which have their grazing grounds there (the Shen-D'auras) will use it (when available), those in he south probably not :) So - no luxury item, just not available all time and for everybody.

(I'm not yet here, I'm quite exhausted, just coming from another trip around lovely Bavaria, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhalla_temple)


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 02 July 2007, 03:02:44
Ok, I see the entry seems to be quite complete with Judy's additions and revisions, so I'll prepare that.

Once again I'd like to emphasize that a change from "milch" to "milk" on all pages (> 110 pages on site) is not really recommendable. Using both words is much better practically, perhaps the difference lies in the region. There are many words which we've used with the proper English term and then have made a Santharian version out of it. Why not use both, and make it regional differences. For example the Erpheronians up there have lots of "sh" (Kartash, Shaelýn, Shaera etc.), so the "milch" version would fit to the north, while the south (or some tribes with a prefernce for "k") might prefer "milk".


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 02 July 2007, 05:21:34
Art, I also incorporated Talia's suggestion about the Shendar. 

Thank you all.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 02 July 2007, 06:12:24
Good work on thsi one Alt! As it's been uploaded, the revision request was removed from the list.. one small step for a man, but a giant leap for Herbariumkind!


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Bard Judith on 02 July 2007, 12:26:03
Art, that's a fabulous and logical solution.   We could say that Northern (more traditional) areas prefer 'milch' as a general rule, and the south (which has had a lot of contact with other regions via trade) has simplified and 'modernized' the word to 'milk'....    works for me!  Thanks for an excellent compromise...


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Mina on 02 July 2007, 15:06:41
I just thought of a question.  Does Santharia have a standardised spelling system?  If it doesn't, it makes sense that different people would spell the same word differently.  On the other hand, we'd have to explain why the spelling in the Compendium seems pretty standardised. 


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 02 July 2007, 22:05:44
From the developers sight we do have one - the British one, at least it was the case some time ago. At least preferable.

Santharia , the medieval community surely doesn't have one. In the middleage and later many words were spelt differently and even pronounced differently or there were certain words which were only comon in certain areas. I doubt that anyone in Strata would listen to somebody in New Santhala (the Santhros e.g.) how he should write this or that or even his name!


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 03 July 2007, 03:50:42
I assume you changed the following sentence, Altario:

Different people use the Icemilk to add fragrance to soap. Even the Shen-D'auras, of the Shendar people, use the Icemilk to flavour the fresh water bowls of their elaborate toilets, when it is available.  

Always make sure - especially if the entry is already up - to mark precisely what you changed, as otherwise I could just guess.

Concerning the language: As "English" the way we use it on the site (with the British spelling) is referred to as "Tharian" in Santharia, this makes it somewhat evident that the core of this language is from the Santharian north (Thar). Thus Erpheronian, as they dominate(d) this region and gave the language its name.

Ancient forms should therefore be at home in this region, and so would be the term "milch". "Milk" would be a more modern term, mainly used by the southerners, which could now - millenia later - also be used in the Santharian north without a problem. Just like an "American" (un-Tharian spelling) with words like "color", "honor" etc. would be understood. Nevertheless, it would be seen more as lousy writing by the scholars I'd say, who still write "colour", "honour" and "milch". With other words: Terms like "milk" might be more common overall in Santharia, but it would primarily be the coloquial form, the commoners' version, derived from non-Erpheronian influences.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 03 July 2007, 03:59:36
Sorry Art, you indeed are correct. :rolleyes:

I should have put it in red.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Mina on 03 July 2007, 05:38:32
I think you might be confusing writing with language.  Simply put, writing represents language, but is not language in itself. 

My question was mainly about writing.  Basically, if there was a standardised spelling system, you wouldn't have two spellings for the word milk/milch, regardless of how people actually pronounce it.  On the other hand, we use a fairly standardised spelling system on the main site, which represents the Compendium, so if we determine that Santharia does not have a standard spelling system, we'd probably have to explain why the Compendium apparently does. 

English spelling is a little unusual in that it has two variants that are both considered standard.  It probably won't be too useful unless you plan for something similar to be the case in Santharia as well.  What you've said sounds like Santharia has a standardised system and that 'milk' is non-standard, but if that's the case, why would it appear that way in the Compendium, which would most likely use the standard spelling? 


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Bard Judith on 03 July 2007, 17:40:07
Some random thoughts on spelling and writing ...


The Compendium has hundreds of scholars from across Santharia and even from outside of the kingdom.  Not all were educated at the Great University (if such a thing even exists).  They would use the spelling they were taught.

There are no such things as proofreaders and editors in our contemporary Santharian society, despite the All-Seeing Eye of Artimidor.  No one reads over Gean Firefeet's poems before they are hand-copied into the Compendium, for example.

Shakespeare spelt his name at least six different ways and was apparently untroubled by this.

Writers as modern as Zane Grey were using 'bowlder' for 'boulder' and 'canuon' for 'canyon' without challenge.

 We include all the variant names for plants and beasts in our entries.   Some gems and colours vary - the green of Bard Judith's eyes can be written as 'emerald' or 'emeraud', for example, and we have both 'grey' and 'gray' referenced. 

Since 'milk' and 'milch' are (at least in Santharia) pronounced differently, why would they not be spelt differently to reflect that?  It merely depends upon which particular scholar/researcher is writing the entry and upon his/her tribal origin...   Same with 'eggs', 'eyren', and 'aeyren', by the way...



Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Mina on 03 July 2007, 18:22:13
Well yes, that makes sense if spelling in Santharia isn't standardised yet.  But words the Compendium (well, the main site) seem to be spelled in an unusually uniform manner if that were the case.  There are some cases idiosyncratic spellings in it, as you point out, but they are relatively uncommon.  This makes sense OOC of course, since we do have a standardised spelling system and don't want to make the site too hard for people to read, but shouldn't we justify it IC as well? 


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 04 July 2007, 03:25:26
Simply put: I don't think it is necessary to explain everything until the tiny last detail, be it in magic or in language, regarding the gods or how volcanoes work. Takes the fun out of it, but I repeat myself.


Title: Re: THE ICEMILK (revisions)
Post by: Mina on 04 July 2007, 04:48:50
I personally find it more fun to have all the details worked out so they can be found or inferred by anyone willing to dig for them. 

But, what I was doing here was pointing out a possible inconsistency.  Ignoring inconsistencies might be less work, but there's also the risk that it'd make you look sloppy.  But this is a rather minor one anyway, so I'm not going to spend too much effort arguing bout it.