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Title: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 31 August 2008, 03:16:05
Dear Santharians!

I urge you to read the following post in full, as it is important and needs everyone's attention. Thanks for taking the time.

As webmaster of the Santharian Dream I feel the strong obligation to act upon seeing severe injustice being done to one of our members or their family. Especially if said injustice furthermore represents a danger to the public in general. That's why I address the members of the Dream now:

The Tragedy

I'm referring to the case of Lucirina (http://www.santharia.com/team/lucirina.htm) (Ana-Maria Salinas-Norbakk), a member we lost tragically in 2004, stabbed 34 times by her husband J.P. Mailhot after a marriage that lasted only a mere two months. In case you're new and don't know her story or want to refresh your memory, you can read more on our page on the site titled In Memoriam of Ana (http://www.santharia.com/treasures/tribute_to_lucirina/in_memoriam.htm). We've also set up a fund to support Ana's little daughter, see the Juju Fund (http://www.santharia.com/treasures/tribute_to_lucirina/juju_fund.htm) here. Contributions are always welcome!

(http://stuff.santharia.com/lucirina/appeal/mailhot.jpg)

The Sentence

It lasted no less than four years until the trial was finally over and the decision on a sentence was. All the half a dozen different versions J.P. Mailhot tried to bring up in order to defend himself (assisting in a suicide, a burglar had entered the appartment while he was away etc.) were eventually dismissed by the jury and was DECLARED GUILTY OF NON-PREMEDITATED MURDER of his wife, Anna-Maria Salinas Norbakk. Thus he automatically RECEIVED LIFE IMPRISONMENT. Endorsing the recommendation of the jury, Judge Jean-Guy Boilard imposed the minimum sentence to serve before being eligible for parole, which is ten years.

Therefore according to the sentence a review of the case wouldn't be possible before 10 years of prison had passed. With that we, and especially Ana's suffering mother Gunn, thought this dark chapter were finally over and closure could be found. Yet, two months after the sentence J.P. Mailhot, murderer of his wife with 34 stabs, was released from prison to walk the streets of Montreal as a free man.

The Appeal

Having lots of financial resources, J.P. Mailhot had already attempted during the trial to discredit all allegations against him with all kinds of loopholes, adjustments of his stories etc., adviced by one of the most powerful Canadian lawyers. He was free on bail on since February 2005, getting him temporary freedom - until the sentence.

Immediately after the trial was over, J.P.'s lawyer filed an appeal to the Superior Court of Quebec, claiming that Mailhot had no right to a fair trial. Whether an appeal is accepted needs to be decided by another group of judges, and until they get to this it might last 6 until 18 months. In the meantime the Judge of the Court of Appeal of Quebec, Yves-Marie Morissette, had to decide whether the culprit has to stay in prison as the sentence ordered, or whether he can go free on bail until then.

In a shocking decision the Judge Morisette appealed to Article 679 of the Criminal Code of Canada to justify his decision which considers that it is in the public interest to release the culprit immediatelyon bail. The assassin will benefit and regain his full freedom, although he was convicted by a jury aware of the seriousness of his crime.

How such a decision could be made, few people - if any who take the matter seriously - can understand. Myself included. As a Santharian who has always tried to bring people from various countries, religions, skin colours and what not together to work towards the same goals, I guess this is an opportunity to try to make our point clear.

How you can help

The decision by the Judge Morisette has already outraged the AFPAD/MMPFA (http://www.afpad.ca/en/index.shtml) (Murdered or Missing Persons' Families' Association), who sent out a press release asking for immediate reconsideration. The same thing was done by the Chilean Community of Montreal in order to put pressure on the government officials to take action.

I'm in contact with Gunn (Ana's mom) and the Committee “JUSTICE FOR ANA MARIA” , created in 2005 by members of the Chilean Community of Montreal and the MMPFA ("Murdered or Missing Persons' Families' Association"), which helps Gunn in her fight for justice. It was suggested that we also formulate our concerns in a letter to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Robert Nicholson, and to the Quebec Minster of Public Security/Justice, Jacques P. Dupuis.

To do so, I will work on a document (now completed, scroll down a bit further, see under teh caption Our Petition/Declaration of Solidarity) similar to the one the AFPAD/Chilean Community made. The intention is to add the names of Santharians to it from all over the world and send these documents to these people (one via regular express mail, the other via e-mail I guess). This way we'll show support for the case which is dear to us and where it is obvious that injustice is being done. Furthermore - independent from the case itself - letting a commited murderer run around on the streets of Montreal cannot be in the interest of anyone.

To confirm that you are supporting the document we're putting together (will be posted soon and attached to this post), we'd need an electronic signature from you, which means: Give your support by stating your name, and your nationality as a reply to this post (or if you better prefer to not post it here on the Forum, you can mail it to me to webmaster@santharia.com) and I will include it. If you have a title of some sorts, feel free to include it. The longer the list and the more people from various countries we get, the more impressive it will be and the more likely it should be to show some effect.

I will keep this thread open for one, maybe two weeks maximum and then send the mails. Please make sure that you have signed until then.


The Documents

I have personally translated various press articles from French to English that deal with the case (sentence, appeal etc.), included is also the decision of the Judge Morisette and both mentioned press releases. They will help you to get a proper picture of what is happening.

Articles/Press Releases of August 2008 (http://stuff.santharia.com/lucirina/appeal/articles.zip)

Our Petition/Declaration of Solidarity

The official document we are about to send (names still need to be added of course) was now completed and can be downloaded here (http://stuff.santharia.com/lucirina/appeal/declaration_new.doc). Thanks go especially to Alysse and Bard Judith for helping me revise the document!

If you have further questions on the matter, feel free to ask.

Thanks in advance for everyone who is committed in helping out a member in need when the time arrives!

Yours sincerely Santharian Webmaster
Artimidor Federkiel



Below are the addresses/person profiles of the persons we're going to write, first a short summary on how the Department of Justice sees itself:

The Department of Justice  

The Department of Justice has a dual mandate. This mandate derives from the dual role of the Minister of Justice who is also the Attorney General of Canada.
In support of the Minister of Justice, the Department is responsible for providing policy and program advice and direction through the development of the legal content of bills, regulations and guidelines. In support of the Attorney General, the Department is responsible for litigating civil cases by or on behalf of the federal Crown and for providing legal advice to federal law enforcement agencies and other government departments.

Mission

The Mission of the Department of Justice is to:
- support the Minister of Justice in working to ensure that Canada is a just and law-abiding society with an accessible, efficient and fair system of justice;
- provide high-quality legal services and counsel to the government and to client departments and agencies; and
- promote respect for rights and freedoms, the law and the Constitution.

Values
People
- The Department's strength comes from all members of the organization, who are committed to working together on the basis of mutual trust, support and respect.
 
Integrity and fairness
- As public servants supporting the Minister of Justice and Attorney General, we are committed to respecting and obeying the law and upholding the highest standards of integrity and fairness.
 
Service
- We aim for excellence and constructive contributions in serving our Minister, the government and our clients.


Jacques P. Dupuis
the Minister of Justice is also the Attorney General and Registrar of Québec.


(http://stuff.santharia.com/lucirina/appeal/dupuis.jpg)

The Minister performs the duties assigned by the Government, and any duties that are not assigned to another government department.

Member for Saint-Laurent, Québec Liberal Party
Minister of Justice
Attorney General
Notary General of Québec
Minister responsible for professional laws
and
Minister of Public Security

More details on Jacques P. Dupuis can be found here (http://www.msp.gouv.qc.ca/msp/msp_en.asp?txtSection=ministre).


The Honourable Robert Nicholson, P.C., Q.C., M.P. for Niagara Falls, Ontario
Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada

(http://stuff.santharia.com/lucirina/appeal/nicholson.jpg)

Rob Nicholson serves as the Member of Parliament for Niagara Falls, an electoral district in southern Ontario.

Born in 1952, Mr. Nicholson has been a lifelong resident of Niagara Falls, where he practiced law and was involved in municipal politics.

First elected to the Canadian House of Commons in 1984, Mr. Nicholson served in a variety of capacities, including Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, and Minister for Science and Small Businesses. Re-elected in 2004, he was appointed Chief Opposition Whip in January 2005.

In February 2006, Mr. Nicholson was named Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Minister for Democratic Reform. In January 2007, Mr. Nicholson was appointed Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada by Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Correspondence to the Minister of Justice
and Attorney General of Canada

If  you wish to receive a response to your comments addressed to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, please include your return mailing address in your e-mail message. All official responses will be sent by regular mail.

If you wish to send correspondence addressed to the Minister through the regular mail, please use the following mailing address:
 
The Honourable Robert Douglas Nicholson
Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada
284 Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario   K1A 0H8


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 31 August 2008, 03:17:52
I go ahead and provide my signature to this thread:

Mag. Christian Strobl / Austria.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 31 August 2008, 03:41:15
Please add my name to the list, Arti.

Steve Jackson  -  Gt Britain

EDIT:  Mrs W says that if you can, add her name as well.

Sandra Jackson  -  Gt Britain

EDIT 2:  Isn't it strange seeing everyones RL names! It almost feels 'naughty'.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Gean Firefeet on 31 August 2008, 04:06:58
Niek van Uden, B.Mus. / The Netherlands

[edit]Not wanting to clutter the thread with extra posts, a few comments:
Tharoc, I agree, it's like Carnaval in Venice where suddenly everybody puts their masks down, including the sweet little lass you're holding in your arms, revealing...
@Nsiki (a few posts below here): I sincerely dislike the word "soldier", but I can agree on something like "heralds" or "messengers".[/edit]


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Garret Arroway on 31 August 2008, 05:11:15
Add mine as well please.

     Jordan Alysse Fuselier-Gardner / Las Vegas, NV (United States)


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 31 August 2008, 05:21:10
Here's my information:

Liese Van Lingen, BCS, Canadian

My husband wants to register his protest as well:

Michael Van Lingen, BMath, Canadian


Alysse



Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 31 August 2008, 05:53:25
This is no time for ease and comfort. It is time to dare and endure.
Winston Churchill

This is no time for us to sit by and surrender to Luci's memory- come together for justice, Santharians, and show the world we are much more then writers- we are Soldiers of Humanity.

Travis William McKay-Roberts, of both American and Canadian citizenship.

EDIT:
To Gean, the tale of the soldiers of humanity in full. Hopefully an inspiration to those who would do good.
Quote
59. Soldiers of Humanity

Once a division of the Japanese army was engaged in a sham battle, and some of the officers found it necessary to make their headquarters in Gasan's temple. Gasan told his cook: "Let the officers have only the same simple fare we eat." This made the army men angry, as they were used to very deferential treatment. One came to Gasan and said: "Who do you think we are? We are soldiers, sacrificing our lives for our country. Why don't you treat us accordingly?" Gasan answered sternly: "Who do you think we are? We are soldiers of humanity, aiming to save all sentient beings."


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Lionhorse on 31 August 2008, 06:46:24
I think you can add me too...

Andrejs Irbe - Latvia (Latvian)


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Val O´Neil on 31 August 2008, 07:50:10
Valeri Jean McConnell   /   Davie, FL, USA


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Bard Judith on 31 August 2008, 10:00:13
Judith Carol Alkema, B.C.Ed.  - Canadian citizen, residing and teaching in South Korea



Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Mannix on 31 August 2008, 10:51:46
Thomas Miller ~ Australia


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 31 August 2008, 11:58:10
Cori Kalinski - Dayton, OH, USA


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Irid alMenie on 31 August 2008, 17:25:40
I already signed the petition on the RP board, but I'm signing it here as well...

Judit Coppens, Belgium


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 31 August 2008, 23:24:29
Though I knew nothing of this woman, it seems that by signing this I might help justic be served. As such, here's my signature:

Daniel Yon- London, United Kingdom


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Capher on 01 September 2008, 01:30:19
I hope I am not too late.

Here is my signature:

Allan W. Bladorn Sr. Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA.



Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 01 September 2008, 18:31:18
The official document we are about to send (names still need to be added of course) was now completed and can be downloaded here (http://stuff.santharia.com/lucirina/appeal/declaration_new.doc). I'll add it as well in the intital post. Thanks go especially to Alysse and Bard Judith for helping me revise the document!

Thanks go as well to everyone who supported the cause, or is still going to add his or her signature.

P.S. Further currently absent long-term members will be informed soon about the petition as well.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Pikel on 02 September 2008, 05:23:16
Derek Cale Coulter - Phoenix, Arizona, United States


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Drúadan on 02 September 2008, 06:00:13
My email to Arti, name ommited.


Quote
Hi Arti,

In hopes of keeping my internet backround non-existent for as long as possible, I'm choosing to email you my name and nationality. This story was, I guess painful, to read. One can only hope that so many voices can make difference.

Hope no one minds... But now I'm still an X-factor when it comes to names. I could be a Bart or a Guillermo... but you guys will never know.  :D


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Akorn on 02 September 2008, 06:38:28
Been a long time since I've been here, my account must have been deleted some time ago. Not the happiest of circumstances that brought me back, I feel I should sign this petition as I remember from my time here.

Are Hauge Braaten from Norway.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 02 September 2008, 10:37:20
I signed on the RP board, but I will here as well.

Shara Thomas  Nebraska, USA

Aaron Thomas Nebraska, USA


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Raygon on 02 September 2008, 11:47:46
Go ahead and add me.  this guy deserves to be somewhere where other people dont have to worry about him

Raven McCanless  - American (United States)


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Curgan on 02 September 2008, 14:08:40
Add me too


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Rakshiri on 02 September 2008, 15:20:34
Hello,  while I'm equally disturbed by this development I'm not sure what the goal of the petition is concerning a trial that obviously still circulates in the Canadian justice system. I would be worried if politicians can intervene at this point into the proceedings as it is is clearly the responsibility of the judiciary to work things out.

I was wondering what the legal options of the persecution are (actually what are they doing)? Can they or the attorney general overturn the ruling of an independant court judge short of proving him unfit for work? Can they bring the issue before a higher court (before the trial of appeal starts) to overturn the bail?


From a humane point of view you have my signature and as a gesture I wholeheartely support the gesture but I'm wondering if other than to the attorney general or the actual persecution to spur them on I'm kind of split on involving politicians. Assuming that Canada has a western, civilized society I hope the separation of power is in place barring politicians from meddling into trials and the ex post facto principle is in place barring them from artificially changing stuff around in hindsight at a whim. But I do not know enough about Canada's workings  to pass an educated judgement...

Holger Göbber, Germany.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 02 September 2008, 15:48:41
@Rakshiri: From Gaston's explanations (more details in the Moot Forum) it appears that it is consensus among those who are concerned about this release, that the Judge of Appeal had overstepped his responsibilities and did something (a release of a murderer!) that was not covered properly in Canadian law yet. It's pretty much a loophole that he could do this, despite it goes against all common sense. The intention of the law cannot be that killers can be permitted to run around until the court decides on further steps (this is different with other crimes like fraud, theft etc.). The AFPAD/MMPFA therefore seeks an adjustment of the law to prevent such things from happening in the future as well.

@Akorn: Nice to see you stop by and support the cause! :) Hope everything's fine up there in Norway with you! Your old password didn't work BTW because we moved to a new board, and in that process we could transfer the usernames, but not the passwords, because we couldn't get that from the old ezBoard. That's why usernames needed to be reactivated individually after the transfer.

General note: I also got a bunch of confirmations of members via e-mail who want to be on the list, e.g. Ingeborg (Cecila Flaten), our artist from Chile, people from the RPG board etc. - So thanks again to everyone for making sure that we've got enough names up there!


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Rakshiri on 02 September 2008, 21:15:06
Hello Art, I tried to read through all the various stuff but the main aspect still confuses me: He is currently in limbo between an appeal and his former conviction or has his appeal succeeded?

The Former seems a rather difficult thing to judge without intimate knowledge of how the law works here because technically the conviction might not be in effect until after the appeal has been deemed unjustified because otherwise a theoretically innocent person might be punished although the appeal hints at the possibility of errors in the conviction. I'm not a legal expert.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 02 September 2008, 21:32:40
The appeal to reverse the sentence or declare that it isn't valid is under way. It lasts 6-18 months until someone will actually decide this. There was a decision that needed to be made right now whether the culprit has to stay in prison until that decision or not. And the appeal judge said: It is in the interest of the public that the murderer is free until this decision is made. And thus Mailhot is free on bail right now.

The AFPAD/MMPFA seeks an amendment of the law in this case, so that if  the crime is murder the culprit should stay in prison if he got a sentence against him. Right now a single judge can decide without limits who to release until the appeal is handled, regardless of the sentence.

(This is also explained a bit better in the last mail I posted from Gaston in the Moot Forum. I tried to rephrase that now as clearly as possible. Admittedly, it's a bit difficult to piece it all together.)


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Rakshiri on 03 September 2008, 02:26:28
Ok, thanks, now I'm understanding it better. I'm however afraid that this works as intended though it didn't work this time. Can't hurt to make the judges think about the consquences and reasoning of their decisions a little longer.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 03 September 2008, 02:35:21
@ Dru.  I know!  And I know other things as well!! *Holds out hand behind back, waiting for the satisfying weight of a purse of coin*


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 03 September 2008, 02:58:29
*drops aforementioned purse, in the happy certainty that by tonight he will have some very interresting parchments to erh.. decode, considering Tharocs writing style**


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Hylphán on 03 September 2008, 10:28:42
Add my name, as well as  my wife's (if it's not to late)

Reverend Robert Young
Lynda Young

Guam, USA


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 04 September 2008, 03:59:46
Also on the list as confirmed:

Santiago Iborra Torán, Spain

And Gunn suggested to have her name and Juju's as well added, so here we go:

Gunn Norbakk, Chile
Juliana Salinas, Chile


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 06 September 2008, 02:32:25
Here we go with another supporter I received via e-mail:

Prof. Juan Carlos Gonzalez II, Ph.D., GMS, :: CEO, Play by Post LLC / United States of America (from playbypost.com)


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Elrond Almadi on 06 September 2008, 23:36:25
Add mine too

Alexander Collier Great Britain


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Hanne on 07 September 2008, 21:53:53
Could you please add me as well.

Hanne Norbakk Blokhus, Norway



Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 07 September 2008, 22:45:30
Thanks for your support, Hanne! - I got a bunch of more names via e-mail from Norway, so I guess Gunn pointed some relatives and friends to the thread recently :) Well, the more the better!


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 08 September 2008, 00:07:33
Thea Gerda Rupprecht, LAss, Germany
Dr Gero Rupprecht, Germany
Christoph Rupprecht, Germany
Helen-Elise Sophie Serena Rupprecht, Germany

I have to ask Johanna first..


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 08 September 2008, 00:42:55
Has anyone already mailed old members like Dala, Elen, Rakshiri, Khiera?


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 08 September 2008, 02:02:47
Yes, I did. Got some not so regular members on my list now, but some e-mail addresses aren't valid anymore. The four you mentioned have valid e-mail addresses as it seems - Rakshiri signed the petition, haven't heard from the others yet.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Bard Judith on 08 September 2008, 08:51:47
Bryan Nicholas Alkema,  BCS, South Korea


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 08 September 2008, 10:20:47
I gave Khiera an extra heads up on Facebook.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Bard Judith on 08 September 2008, 17:43:40
Kalina!  Hullo, hon!  Good to see you over here - which reminds me...

(thinks) Has the RPG board been notified of this, and/or asked to sign?  I don't think I've seen many names over here - or are you running your own petition which will be collated?


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Telàmorí V'uoríen on 08 September 2008, 18:34:21
Riley Thompson

USA


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 08 September 2008, 18:36:04
Arti had started the petition over there as well.

RPG Petition (http://www.santharia.com/adv/index.php?topic=6129.0)

A lot of people have signed both places, as they are on both boards.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Grinch on 08 September 2008, 21:57:03
Alexander Wedl

Austria


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 08 September 2008, 23:40:53
Just over thirty names now on this side, couting those who also signed on RPG. Cinsidering the much larger active memberbase, Art might have up to a hundred names by now. Not bad..


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 09 September 2008, 00:50:22
Don't know about the hundred, but today I've got 8 alone from Norway via mail, definitely coming from Gunn's relatives/friends.

Also got Khiera signing the petition today :)

I give it a few more days, especially as I see that mails are still coming in from Norway. Those who haven't signed up yet are strongly advised to show their support for another Santharian member. This is the time to show that you care for your fellow Santharians. - The more people and the more countries we get on the list, the more weight it will have.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 09 September 2008, 01:01:15
Johanna is not at home, I need to phone her and Sonja of the Chilean ESO guest house (who forwarded all the parcels) might email you as well, Gero sent her the link, maybe a few other persons I know as well.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 09 September 2008, 01:55:32
Further to my IM to Artimidor:

Should we also make it a bit more clear that we are objecting to an interim decision/measure to allow a person convicted of murder by the court of first instance to be free on bail pending the appeal rather than the actual judgment? As a law student I would be disinclined towards campaigning actively against the substance of a court decision or commenting critically on a judgment I have not read in full. However, here we are not trying to interfere with the legal process: it will be the Court of Appeal who will ultimately decide whether or not this man is guilty. We are just opposing a procedural point that allows convicted murderers to mingle with the rest of society pending their appeal, right?




Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 09 September 2008, 04:19:17
What do you mean with "actual judgment", Coren? We don't intend to criticize the judgement of the court as it decided (life sentence), nor do we object to the decision of the Court of Appeal, which still has to be made. We critcize this interim decision of the appeal court. Personally I think our letter makes that pretty clear, but we always improve a pssage or two in this respect, no problem.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 09 September 2008, 04:35:19
"serious concerns about the decision of the Judge of the Court of Appeal of Quebec, Yves-Marie Morissette, who released the convicted murderer Jean-Philippe Mailhot shortly after a life sentence had been handed down" (better to add "interim" before decision here; otherwise the sentence reads as though the Court of Appeal has already given its verdict)

"when they learned of the decision of the Judge of the Court of Appeal of Quebec, Morissette, to release Jean-Philippe Mailhot." >> pending the outcome of the appeal

"Contrary to this appeal’s decision, we believe"

Also, I would add what you told Rakshiri (quoted below) into the petition:

Quote
The appeal to reverse the sentence or declare that it isn't valid is under way. It lasts 6-18 months until someone will actually decide this. There was a decision that needed to be made right now whether the culprit has to stay in prison until that decision or not. And the appeal judge said: It is in the interest of the public that the murderer is free until this decision is made. And thus Mailhot is free on bail right now.

The AFPAD/MMPFA seeks an amendment of the law in this case, so that if  the crime is murder the culprit should stay in prison if he got a sentence against him. Right now a single judge can decide without limits who to release until the appeal is handled, regardless of the sentence.



PS: Re "actual decision": whatever judgment the Court of Appeal finally hands down - ie whether they will overturn the decision of the court of first instance or dismiss the appeal


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Mina on 09 September 2008, 15:53:38
Just checking, Arti, did you get my email?  I sent it a couple of days ago, but there was no reply.  I made more or less the same comments Coren did, though perhaps not as well-written. 


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Smith in Exile on 09 September 2008, 16:30:26
<---- same. Only that I "pm-ed" not e-mailed.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 09 September 2008, 17:22:01
Yes, yes, I got all your signatures via PM/mail etc. - We will address Coren's/Mina's suggestions by changing a passage or two in the final text, so don't worry! :)


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 11 September 2008, 02:44:09
Hey, guys, we're getting pretty much out-performed by Gunn's contacts in Norway - I got at least 30 of those alone by now - and I'm sure more are still coming...

In order to have the list more balanced with different nationalities I guess it is in order if you tell friends or relatives about the story and ask them to have their names on the list as well - then we could increase the amount, and the more we get the more impressive such a list will get I'd say.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 11 September 2008, 02:46:15
Here's one from me to be going on with.

Lanszell Card  -  Jamaica


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 11 September 2008, 02:49:32
Cool... We don't have Jamaica as of yet! Who can keep up with that and bring in further exotic countries? ;)


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 11 September 2008, 02:54:13
Actually, he's living in England at the moment. He came across a few years ago for a holiday, met Mrs W's friend, and sort of stayed.

They get married next month, then after Christmas they go to live in Jamaica.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Bard Judith on 11 September 2008, 12:46:43
From my coworker and fellow Canadian:

Corinne J. Schapansky, Manitoba, Canada


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Bard Judith on 11 September 2008, 16:12:00
And another - thank you, Pam!



Pamela Russell, M.A - Manitoba, Canada


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Silfer Darkflare on 12 September 2008, 07:42:23
Add me as well: Evgenij Thorstensen, Oslo, Norway


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 18 September 2008, 03:39:47
Short update: We're standing at 106 signatures at the moment, and could still use more. Mailing date will be next Monday, until then you have time to sign or tell the story to someone and sign in support of the petition.

The AFPAD sent another very direct mail on Monday to the Minster of Justice of Quebec, stressing that the bail/release decision was prejudiced against the victim of the crime and those related to her, and that it is scandalous and that action is demanded. So the tone gets now harsher with this new campagain. Next week we'll put in our share into the whole affair as well.

If you see an opportunity to get more signatures for our petition, please post them here or send them via e-mail to webmaster@santharia.com.

Thanks again to everyone participating in this extremely important fight for justice in order to keep a sentenced murderer from our streets! The necessity of action should be apparent to everyone - it doesn't require much from your side to make a big difference.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 18 September 2008, 05:13:41
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sentenced murdered from our streets

murderer, otherwise you're keeping a dead person from your streets.

{Feel free to delete after correcting}


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 18 September 2008, 05:24:31
Ok, fixed :)


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 19 September 2008, 07:08:54
A friend from another site

Alf Nouwen, Belgium


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Lucifer Silver, NecroMage on 19 September 2008, 13:30:05
Sign me up.

Nathaniel Parker, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artemis on 21 September 2008, 09:13:38
Shireen Clothier, Bristol, England, United Kingdom.

Nikolas Kouloumbis, Bristol, England, United Kingdom. (My boyfriend).


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Grunok the Exile on 21 September 2008, 12:59:10
I haven't read this whole thread, but I did read Rakshiri's first question.  My thanks goes to him for asking it, as the answer clears up some of my wonderings.

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...it appears that it is consensus among those who are concerned about this release, that the Judge of Appeal had overstepped his responsibilities and did something (a release of a murderer!) that was not covered properly in Canadian law yet. It's pretty much a loophole that he could do this, despite it goes against all common sense. The intention of the law cannot be that killers can be permitted to run around until the court decides on further steps (this is different with other crimes like fraud, theft etc.). The AFPAD/MMPFA therefore seeks an adjustment of the law to prevent such things from happening in the future as well.

Makes sense to me, now.

Josephine Ogle, Auckland, New Zealand


Title: Re: A Santharian Petition for Justice
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 22 September 2008, 19:32:52
The letters have been sent today containing 116 Santharian signatures to support our cause. They will hopefully arrive still this week in Canada - copies went to the AFPAD, Gaston and Gunn. Thanks to everyone who signed for your valuable cooperation in this respect!  :thumbup: