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Title: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Miés´efér Lytherá on 18 March 2009, 04:15:42
Introduction

I, Quáel'cáo, having been called of the Divinity, and having been given the office and responsibility of prophet and revelator to the peoples of the world, do hereby find it necessary to give an accurate and full account of my doings and the revelations that have been put before mine eyes hereto.  Such is the nature of mortal and sinful beings to apostatize from and corrupt the truths of their fathers, and as such; I do write this account as a testimony against those who would bastardize the words of the Divinity and as a safe haven for those who wish to stay faithful to the truth.

In prelude to this writing I find it necessary to write for the strength of my people and in condemnation of those who have persecuted us hither to.  Ours is the true and holy calling of the divinity, and though swords of hand and mouth may be thrown at our blameless hearts the Divinity will not suffer that we with our truths will perish at the hands of weak and sinful mortals. For every cruel word thrown at our feet a culprit will be recompensed with nine times ninety hours of suffering, and if one should raise their weapon against the called of Divinity he shall be condemned to an infinite and eternal piercing of the heart with even one thousand daggers. I would beseech ye then enemies of the High that thou dost no longer persecute the innocent and chosen.

And, to all those who find in thine hearts a desire to know of the truth, I say unto thee that thou art chosen and called of Divinity to learn thyself in the ways of enlightenment. Even so much as thy intent is true all of thy past transgressions can be forgiven thee, and by commandment of the almighty divinity on high, thou shalt be accepted as a brother to our holy and high order of divine knowledge and supreme being.

I, Quáel'cáo, was born into a city that in its great pride was beginning to forge its own rot. Yea even that great city, Fá'áv'cál'âr, was nigh at destruction. For they had in their great pride angered the divinity, and through their idolatrous ways they had corrupted the religion of truth. With their creations of many Gods, the very glory of Avá had been diminished in their eyes. For verily, there is but one god, and that god is Avá. And even to call Avá, God, does not glorify the truth as it should be.

Nay, but I will give unto the world the name that our One up high does wish to be called, but in prelude, I must first tell the very story I have been commanded to tell. Therefore, I will tell it. I will tell even the story of mine own ascension to divine knowledge, yea even mine own ascension as the chosen of divinity, and the revelations that were given me by the most high concerning the corrupted Dós'carpaías, or as it has come to be known by the evil and corrupt peoples of the mundane, Carpa'dosia.

I, even at the young age of seventy and two found myself saddened by the evil pride of the elves with in Fá'áv'cál'âr, and I did feel in my bosom a burning desire to leave this place of rot. Therefore, I did grab my meager sack and did travel to the forests beyond. How long I traveled in the forests I know not, for I was lost so deep in thought that even many suns did set before I lifted my eyes from my path.

Awe and wonder did fill my very soul, as I found myself amidst an ocean of sand and sun. Yea, I did feel my tongue swollen with thirst, and my stomach sore with hunger. Realizing that I was to perish under the penetrating rays of the sun, I did fall to my knees, and I did call out to the gods to save me.

Yea, I did call them each by name, and each one by one, but exhausting heat was my only reply. Even did this continue, until the only god I could remember was that most high one, Avá.

And I did call, Avá in to the blue of the sky, until my voice did rumble now longer, and all that came from my lips was hoarse breath. In this, and upon my knees I did relent to the very ravages of death, and I did give up all hope.

Even as the burning fingers of death did threaten to close about my heart I did hear a voice so sweet and beautiful, soft and soothing, loud and encompassing, and so ancient and powerful that I dared not lift my head for fear that I would perish in the glory of the God that stood before me. Even in my weakened state my entire body did quake at the sound of that voice.

And it did call me by my name, and it did seem to me as if I was hearing my name for the first time, and I was commanded to look up into the eyes of the glory that stood towering above me, but I was loath to look up for fear that I might wither under the glory of such eyes.

Nevertheless, I did look up, for I had always been a humble being, and I did know the perils of disobeying the commands of the one most high. Even as I did look into the infinitely powerful and all-knowing eyes before me, my heart did swell to a size that it threatened to burst the seams of my chest, and an agony sweeter than any pleasure filled my very soul until I knew that I looked not upon one of the gods, but The One, The Only.

Verily, this being beyond description did hold out its hand, in which was a cup so adorned with jewels that it belonged in no worldly court, and did command me to drink. Therefore, I did drink, and as I did not only my throat, but my very soul was quenched.

Gratitude and awesome wonder did fill my bosom at this miracle, though I could find no words to express such. Even as I pondered these things the sweetly horrible voice did again fill my head, and thus were the words of The One:

Quáel'cáo, my child, anguish no more, for thy pain does move me to sadness. So great is thy faith and love for me that thou wouldst leave the very great city of thy birth to escape the corruption and evil soothsaying of those that do claim to worship me, and yet are idolatrous and evil beyond measure.

In thy immeasurable goodness thou hast guessed that they cannot speak the truth, and even now thy blind faith shall be rewarded with truth. Yea, even truths that have been lost to the fathers of thy fathers shall be given to thee now. For verily, thus shall the most faithful be rewarded.
 

Even as The Almighty concluded these sayings, the hand of righteous purity reached out and touched my mortal eyes with truth, and in a single infinite instant I saw both the beginning and the end. Yea, I did verily see the infinite truths of eternity.

Much of what I saw in that instant has not been given to me to write of in this book, but this I do say that verily this world we live in hast a terrible and awesome future of which one part to come is the destruction of the glory of Fá'áv'cál'âr.

Even as I did begin to ponder these great things I was commanded to return to the city of my birth, wherewith many who were good and whole would come unto me and hear the teachings of singular truth that I was to bring forth unto them.

Yea, and I did as I was commanded and did go forth amongst my brethren, and even in my youth I was blessed with mighty words as if they did come from divinity itself and many did hear my message.

Our numbers did swell so quickly and with such ferocity that many of the wicked and evil leaders with in the city did begin to fear that a rebellion of righteousness was growing into inevitability. Yea, and they did whisper in to the ears of other leaders and peoples until we were hated with a great loathing by most of the population.

In their wicked hatred for righteousness the horrid mobs of elvish hatred did reap much destruction amongst the members of our great and righteous faction, and even those most horrible of sins which are rape and murder were committed in great abundance.

Seeing these evil doings and fearing for the lives of my people I did fall upon my knees and did call upon the most high that its people might be saved from the ravages of cruel and wicked elves. I did pray with an aching heart for even nine days and eight nights until once again the great divinity did grace me with its presence and did command me to take the enlightened children on an exodus to a holy land where we could ever after live in peace. But the divinity did say unto me that I must be patient, for before I could lead my people from this hate I was to first record the Dós'carpaías as it was intended from the beginning.

Thus I did begin my work, and through the power of divine communication and revelation I did write the following, and all praise be to the most high being:

Dós'carpaías (Book of Beginnings)

Ch.1
Before time knew bounds, and before stars hung in the sky, yea even before the sky was called the sky there existed a great consciousness which rested in a state of dream and contemplation.  For even an eternity did this great consciousness dream and contemplate over the many questions of being.

The first question that could not be answered was how something could exist with out a place to exist in.  This great consciousness then realized the necessity of place was existence’s first need, and thus by gathering matter from the infinite realms of eternity and combining them in countless combinations, the lands and seas of Caeloreth were born.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) A biblical account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 18 March 2009, 05:35:15
Biblical?

Please change that, for fear of someone more pious seeing an insult to their faith...


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) A biblical account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 18 March 2009, 07:25:59
And "biblical" is not a Santharian concept, anyway.  You need to invent a Santharian name for your religious writings.  You could just call them the Divinity Books, even.


Alysse



Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) A biblical account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Falethas Whisperwind on 19 March 2009, 04:32:46
Some linguistic nitpicks:

Ulki'aiá

Does the parenthetical information aim to provide a translation for this? It's not any Styrásh word that I'm familiar with; the consonant cluster lk doesn't usually occur in the elvish language. We don't have a word for the noun "move," either, so I'm not sure how we could translate this phrase without a new word.

Cárpaía'dos

Some minor issues. You would construct "Book of Beginnings" in Styrásh just as in English as far as word order is concerned, no need to say "beginnings-book." Also, you'd have to decline "beginnings" to express the genitive plural:

carpá "beginning" > carpaía "beginnings" > carpaías "of beginnings"

Put this all together, and we have Dós'carpaías for "Book of Beginnings."  :)


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 19 March 2009, 06:10:49
Hello Miés!

I'm just back from my trip and could not yet read your submission, but I saw you title and have to say, though it would fit, it would be a bit unfortunate to use it, for we have already that other myth, Carpa'dosia (http://www.santharia.com/books/carpadosia.htm) - or did you mean to call it similar?


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Miés´efér Lytherá on 19 March 2009, 06:21:38
Yes, I was aware of the Cárpa'dosía, or The Books of Beginning, but i hope to have my prophet here bring forth a book that "has not been corrupted" and of which the book of beginnings is just a beginning.  :P There could be nothing simpler!

Keep Dreaming,
Mifer


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Miés´efér Lytherá on 20 March 2009, 04:07:07
This will be a very long entry, and I am in fact considering the breaking up of it into several parts, but for now it works well as a single entry. Any critique as I build this religious text that is bound to be enormous would be much appreciated.

Keep Dreaming,
Mifer


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Takór Salenár on 20 March 2009, 06:41:35
Mifer, I fear this language is wasted on me, you need to have native speakers to cherish  - or correct it.

I have just one theological question :

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Such is the nature of mortal and sinful beings


You are assuming here, that the elves have the concept of "Sin". I fear though, that this is something very human, not elven, at least I think so.  And you are writing for an elf, so even if he is different, he has to stay elven.

Maybe you should discuss this with Wren, our elven specialist.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 23 March 2009, 04:36:52
Isn't sin, the idea of missing the mark, morally, a pretty universal concept? Surely everyone has some code of morality.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 24 March 2009, 07:31:55
Every human, yes  :azn:


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 24 March 2009, 08:34:04
So the elves just go through lives aimlessly, without any moral guidance, any standard to live by?
Prove it.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 24 March 2009, 08:47:25
No, but sin has not necessarily to do with morals. Too tired to explai more though *yawns*


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Miés´efér Lytherá on 20 June 2009, 03:31:44
I have begun to add the Book of Beginnings to this account.  Through much research I am attempting to follow the original ideas of this elven book, while at the same time making the changes which would make this group of followers a little bit different.  The idea here is that religion's natural evolution leads from many gods to a single god, and I believe this would be true with the elves as well.  This leads to changes in the hows and whys but not to the actual context.  As you can probably guess, this is going to be a massive entry, but any help along the way would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Takór Salenár on 20 June 2009, 15:50:55
Hello again Mifer!

You have here quite a bit of text and I see, we will have to se how many Coren you have, once you are finished. :)

I admit, I find it difficult to comment. I would prefer to know more about the history and the tribe first before I dive into that myth, or religious book. For you all is clear, you have the whole concept in your head. But for me, I don't know, where to put it. Even with an explaining introduction.

I have two questions so far:

You write:

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Such is the nature of mortal and sinful beings to apostatize from and corrupt the truths of their fathers,

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Ours is the true and holy calling of the divinity, and though swords of hand and mouth may be thrown at our blameless hearts the Divinity will not suffer that we with our truths will perish at the hands of weak and sinful mortals.

How do you define sin? What is sin for you?

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Therefore, I did grab my meager sack and did travel to the forests beyond. How long I traveled in the forests I know not, for I was lost so deep in thought that even many suns did set before I lifted my eyes from my path.

Awe and wonder did fill my very soul, as I found myself amidst an ocean of sand and sun. Yea, I did feel my tongue swollen with thirst, and my stomach sore with hunger. Realizing that I was to perish under the penetrating rays of the sun, I did fall to my knees, and I did call out to the gods to save me.


Has he dreamt, was it a vision? Or where should this land with an ocean and hot sun be?


Maybe you should have a look at the template here, for filling it out would help to provide a lot of information. But again - as long as the basics (the tribe) is not on the site, it makes not much sense to do it. But keep it in mind!




# Mythical Narration


    * Overview:

      The myth is surely known under a heading (eventually subheading) . Put it here along with any other names it may have including its meaning. Tell in short where and by whom the myth is told, mention roughly who plays a role in this myth and hint at what happens.

    * Prevalence:

      This is the "where" section. Put in here in which region of the world of Caelereth this myth is told, who tells it and to whom it is narrated.

    * History/Origin/Purpose

      How far back can this myth be traced, has it a defined origin? Why did this myth come into existence?  Has it changed over the time? Why was it told? Does the narrator want to achieve something with telling it? Is a ‚moral‘ message hidden - or obvious?

    * Importance

      Why is this myth important? Has it had any influence on society or otherwise?

    * Narrating the Myth:

      Here you can tell us the content of the myth, the story itself. It is preferred to narrate it as it might be told around a campfire, but a drier version which only mentions the facts is possible also. If the mythical story is very long, you can write an extra library entry and present here just a summary.



I see, that you have to write this down, it drives you!  But for now it stands relatively alone and I don't think, it makes much sense to put it on the site already. so I would propose, write along as much as you want, but don't expect too many comments. We let it sit here until you have done a few more entries , have your membership and are allowed to write the tribe down (as a masterwork if you want so, I recommend to take something easier and quicker, a nice , sweet, short entry! )

Have fun writing!  :)


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Miés´efér Lytherá on 24 June 2009, 11:27:22
This is going to be a huge project, and whether or not it ever actually finds its way on to the site I enjoy working on it.  I'll continue with other entries along the way, and I'm actually hoping for my first masterwork could be the development of the said tribe of elves.  If indeed I do get that, then their religious beliefs will be a huge part of their culture (perhaps the biggest), and as such I'd like to have a very deep and full religious history established.  This is to say that hopefully putting so much time into this work here and now will aid me in my ultimate goal.  Even if all this fails to happen, I have to do a lot of cross-reference work to write this entry, and as such it expands my knowledge about this great world.  As far as any theological questions: They will all be answered through the course of this text.  I hope that nobody really has a problem with what I am doing here.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Takór Salenár on 24 June 2009, 23:22:03
Well, that's alright. But you did not answer my question about sin.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Falethas Whisperwind on 24 June 2009, 23:29:25
Could you provide some etymological background for Ulki'aiá? It doesn't fit phonologically into Styrásh; could be feasible, though, if it's a loanword. Although it doesn't seem logical that the elves would borrow a foreign word for an ancient religious text, they're too haughty.

Just curious as to where it came from/what it means.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Miés´efér Lytherá on 08 July 2009, 07:01:49
Takór Salenár,
     As to your questions on sin I offer this line of logic from RL: Scientist may prove that the earth isn't flat as was taught by the old church, philosophers might discredit religious beliefs, and a majority may stop believing in sin, but there are always those who choose to believe in ancient religions, and as each of these religions offer up moral codes, believers look upon the breaking those codes as sin.  The elves as a whole are a very philosophical and logic-driven race, but who's to say that some can't hold different views on life, and therefore; who's to say that some can't believe that to transgress their moral code is to sin. Afterall sin in its most simple form is simply breaking a rule.  Therefore; I contest that it is indeed very feasible for some elves to hold to a concept of sin and righteousness.  In RL Americans as whole are becoming less religious, but that doesn't stop those people who choose to newly align themselves with such strict denominations as Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons.  Some will always desire things to be painted in black and white, and does that desire really lack any more logic than any philosophical concept such as those held by the majority of elves? No matter the concept's foundation, it will at least in part allways be based on speculation, and this allows for choices as to which speculation to believe in.

@Quaélh'Orín, I can not argue with you when Styrásh in the point of debate. Is there something that you'd suggest using here instead?  The name really just has to relay the idea of new beginnings. I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions you could give me here.

As allways thank you both for your input, and I look forward to working with you in the future.

Keep Dreaming,
Mifer


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Seeker on 08 July 2009, 12:03:15
Takor, I pretty much know nothing about religion in Santharia.  So please forgive my intrusion into your post.  one question for context.  Does this entry tie into any of the already described religions or beliefs?  Or is this new?

My two cents. For me, I think the concept of sin would be universal for all intelligent beings.  Unless we are saying that Elves are logical to the extreme like the Vulcan's in StarTrek.  (I tend to beleive that the Elves have more feeling in them than the Vulcans.)  However I also think that using that exact word "sin" resonates very Christian.  When I read the post I feel like I am at church in RL, perhaps that is the goal. :D


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Takór Salenár on 08 July 2009, 15:43:40
I‘ll think that Mifer aims to have a quite new religion, though tied to the old elven one. The new prophet rejects the twelve gods and reveres only Avá the creator(dreamer).

To sin:

I would like to avoid the word „sin“ for the elves out of following reasons

-  It is burdened too much with the western common perception/association of moral, western moral. (e.g. it is unmoral to have two wives...)

(I say here ‚common‘, for in theology the basic meaning is: sin=distance to god: If you are distant to god, you are prone to break his laws. What these laws are, is human interpretation - what is seen as sin, or moral lapse can very well vary.... )

That would fit very well for the humans of Santharia, I think.

- The true character of the elves is not yet defined, but so far I thought we want to have not just humans with pointed ears. So why not choose a more buddhist way of their perception of the world, what would fit to them much better, IMHO.

(Buddhism e.g. doesn‘t know the concept of sin as the western churches have it in different variations, nor the word ‚original sin‘ nor ‚collective guild‘. It speaks more of beneficial or not beneficial deeds or thoughts, which are resulting in a good or bad Karma. They don‘t know forgiveness (from god) nor atonement in the same way as the three western religions)

Or anything else.

- Generally - why could not have the elves a different moral codex than the humans?

Not much thoughts have been invested here, I fear, but  so far I thought, that we want a very different race than the humans.


Mifer, your task would be mainly, to find a different word  for sin.

Misdeed, misdoing, perpetration, misconduct ???

I‘m missing the feeling for the English language to know what would be right.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Falethas Whisperwind on 09 July 2009, 10:14:55
If you could provide some phrases you'd like translated, I'd be happy to help :)

I was going to try and whip up a few titles on my own, but I don't want to detract from the entry by injecting a title that doesn't reflect your intent. But I had been thinking along the lines of "The Sun Rises" or "Dawning Spring," something that could convey new beginnings in keeping with the elves' inborn love of nature, you know?


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 09 July 2009, 10:29:30
Something I've been curious about since the first time I saw this topic ... what do you actually mean by 'new move'? It doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere in the entry, just in the title. This is just a question for my own curiousity.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 July 2009, 04:41:43
On the sin discussion: I'd put the concept of "sin" definitely only on the human side. The karma comparison comes much closer to the elven way of thinking, I'd say.

I'd go even a step further to make it even clearer and say that elves act more on aesthetical (beauty) than ethical principles (God given law, or law that is given by a race). Murder e.g. disrupts natural harmony and thus is an offence against universal beauty. Elves try to find back to the original idea of the Dream of Avá by having to live in this "flawed reality", they apply that dreamy idea as a kind of "moral principle" in a way. Which is entirely different to humans, who might believe in Gods, who pretty much define what is good and evil. As an example take human Earthen religions, where the Gods leave a clear codex to their prophets to spread among their followers ("You shall not..."). Not so in elven religion, here morality comes from the inner self.

There are of course other elves, who follow a different interpretation of Avá's Dream, and become dark minions. In a twisted way they believe however that they execute the Dream of Avá, not by finding back to its original beauty, but by realizing that mirrored image of evil on Caelereth. But dark elves are an entirely different story.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 10 July 2009, 05:06:25
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly!

We would dearly need an elven expert who works on such stuff - and tries to make the elves very different to the other races, they all are anyhow too similar.

I thought, while thinking about moral/sin, that one could break up the family structure in the sense, that the children are cared for by the whole tribe and that e.g. each child is seen as part of the whole community, not belonging to a parent, that ties between partners/lovers are not necessarily meant for life, not out of lack of emotion, but because the structure of the society is just different, maybe because the concept that one can 'possess/own' another person is unknown, so there wold be no room for jealousy in the relation between partners. Etc...  just some random thoughts.

Humans wold probably see the elves then as emotionless.


Title: Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 13 July 2009, 01:53:17
@Talia: I found those ideas really interesting- I've often had trouble trying to work out in what senses the Elves weren't just, as put before' pointy-eared humans. In my opinion something generic should be decided as the root of their culture, a common thread throughout all elven society.