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Santharian World Development => The Santharian Bestiary => Topic started by: Valan Nonesuch on 24 June 2009, 08:07:12



Title: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 24 June 2009, 08:07:12
Bestiary/Water Creatures/Amphibians

Overview
The Baniop, also called the Bloodjumper Frog or False-Frog, is among the most feared and reviled members of its kind because of its ghoulish habit of consuming blood. Worse still is the alarming tendency of Baniops to swarm in groups of fifty or more in a feeding frenzy, enabling them to suck men or even larger beasts dry. Baniops are only known to live in the Falsejungles of Chuu, located in northern Nybelmar, where the local Meelaimada men, understandably, regard them as cursed.
                                                
Appearance
"Why? Why did they have teeth?"
Delirious Frog Victim, while being carried away by healers

To all outward appearances, the Baniop looks like an ordinary frog. Its colouring is something of a deviation from the norm, being bright blue with large red starting at from the tops of its eyes and running down the creature’s back. It is by no stretch of the imagination a large frog; two of them could rest comfortably on the palm of a man’s hand.  The eyes of the Baniop are rather disconcerting, being green with a curious pattern of coloured lines. The eyes bulge out from the sockets, which themselves protrude from the top of the Baniop's head, and have a distinct shine to them, unlike the rest of the body which is simply slimy.
Its feet have sticky pads which enable the Baniop to hang from branches and sturdy leaves, while its powerful legs enable it to jump distances up to three fores in length and up to a fore in height from a standing start. The Baniop has, instead of the typical frog's elastic tongue, a set of rather sharp teeth, which it uses to feed. These have a tendency to fall out and are replaced by new teeth after a short while.

Special Abilities
The Baniop is known for its stomach capacity. It can actually eat itself to death, since its stomach is more flexible than the rest of the frog’s body. A wet popping noise is usually associated with the phenomena of a tree frog bursting, and is usually cause to stay away from the source of the sound, lest one unwittingly leads more frogs to a messy death. The Baniop also has an uncanny ability to sense living animals. Whereas some creatures (like ducks) might be confused by a cleverly constructed fake, a Baniop is not. Some postulate that they can actually hear a creature’s blood pumping. The Baniop also possess a remarkable ability to suck blood. Much like blood-sucking insects, a False-frog will drain a creature of its blood after biting. The frogs form a tight seal with their mouths, and then drain their prey of its blood much as one would suck an egg.

Territory
The Baniops are found exclusively in the Falsejungles of Chuu, where their amphibious nature is of great use during the occasional flood-rains that inundate the forest floor. The Falsejungles may be found near the northern coast of Nybelmar, southwest of the Ivyieth Mountains and north of Sarthera. Due to the efforts of the Meelaimada to kill these frogs, they are not found with any particular proximity to settlements of any reputable size.
    
Habitat/Behavior
Baniops roam in loose groups of individuals, numbering two dozen at the very least and three score at the most, clinging to trees like over-painted mushrooms. Once they discover a target, the Baniops will descend like a living rain to bite the unwitting victim, using their feet to stick to the hide of the unfortunate prey.

Diet
The Baniop is not picky about what it eats, since it actually consumes the blood of its victims rather than their flesh; they do however tend to go after larger animals, including Meelaimada unlucky enough to run afoul of a hungry pod. Baniops do have an unusual taste for the Cadensis cats that are their main predators, and the sight of many dead frogs usually indicates a fight between some cats and several groups of Baniops. To feed, a Baniop will land on a creature, cling to it with its feet and bite. The Baniop then sucks the blood from the wound until it runs dry. Oddly enough, Baniops have never been reported to feed on shed blood, nor have they been seen to feed on deceased creatures, leading some scholars to suspect that "they like it hot".The late Citon Tyurs, a noted bestiary researcher, believes that Sarvonian tales of bats "drinking" blood may have started with exaggerated stories of Baniops or at the very least were exacerbated by such tales.It is presumed the Citon met his unfortunate end while studying the Baniops after sending his most recent batch of notes upon which much of this entry is formulated.

Mating
Female Baniops lay a multitude of eggs numbering between fifty and eighty, sometimes even up to a hundred on a large leaf. The males then fight over, to the point of using their teeth, the right to fertilize these eggs. Baniops can be very dangerous during this season, since anything that moves and has a heartbeat is considered a potential aggressor. Travellers are warned to be especially careful in the later parts of the month of Awakening Earth as frogs have been known to be more aggressive than usual.
  
Myth/Lore/Origin
The Meelaimada tell that the Baniops were not always as they were. They once were frogs that ate the juice of the fruit of a certain tree, believed by some scholars to have been the Keelo tree, that grew within the Falsejungles in abundance, and were known for the beautiful singing noise they made to attract mates. When the jungles began to rot and decay, so did the trees, which ceased to bear fruit. The frogs, now lacking food, began to die in great numbers, leaving corpses scattered across the floor of the jungles like flower petals after a storm. After a short while, they could no longer hear the frogs singing. The Meelaimada believed that all the frogs had died without the fruit.  When it was discovered that the frogs lived, the Meelaimada were perturbed at the change that ad been wrought in the creatures. The frogs now drank blood instead of juice, and are held as a sign by the Meelaimada of their curse and of the downfall of Chuu.

Researchers have had difficulty categorizing the Baniop, in part because of the difficulty in obtaining whole specimens. Its anatomy and feeding habits, among other details, leave the question of whether or not it is a true frog rather hotly debated by bestiary experts.

Usages
Meelaimada folk will often try to lure Baniops into pits, usually with a sick or wounded anima as bait, and then harvest the frogs for their stomachs, which are used as waterproof pouches. Several stomachs can be used to make a larger pouch, if sewn by overlapping them at the seams. These stomachs must be treated, most often with a mixture of the blood found in the stomach and lake oil, in order to keep them elastic.

The saliva of the Baniop is also harvested, because it acts as a blood thinner and is sought after by healers. Applying Baniop saliva to a wound will prevent it from thickening and beginning to scab, and is useful if there is debris caught in the wound. Care must be taken to use this sparingly however; if the wound is too large an inability to scab over may lead to disease or death from blood loss.

While non-Meelaimada have been known to use the Banops solely for these elements, a Meelaimad will purify the corpse, usually by suspending it from a tree in the wind and sun or by smoking it over a fire with various herbs. This practice is said to "purify" the creature, in order to render the remaining parts fit for use and presumably free of whatever curse the Meelamada.Researchers have noted that the smell of a Baniop being smoked is quite unpleasant, and should be avoided if at all possible.

Researchers
The (once again) presumed late Citon Tyrus, whose notes were invaluable in the creation of this entry, compendiumist and researcher of the "unmundane" is the last person known to have done any significant research on the subject of Banops. However, because of previous lack of communication on the part of Master Tyrus as well as the rather humorous and unprecedented event of Tyrus interrupting his own funeral service there has been some hesitation to actually pronounce him dead again.


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: Bard Judith on 24 June 2009, 09:11:08
What's with all the evil frogs lately?  Couldn't this be a 'tree toad' instead?  However, I see potential here...




A couple of ideas for you...  WARNING - MAY BE CONSIDERED INAPPROPRIATE BY SOME SO READ WITH CARE!    :evil




Usages:  the stomach is extremely elastic (obviously) and tough: in fact, when the amphibian 'bursts', it is because the stomach has expanded with digestive gasses more rapidly than the rest of the body of the beast.  Ribs crack outwards through the flesh and skin, legs can become detached, and gobbets of various other organs fly about - but the distended 'bubble' of the stomach often remains intact, its contents slowly digesting into rot.

If the toad/frog/whatever can be captured(without harm to the researcher), its stomach can be removed, cleaned, and used as a very handy pouch.  It is thin, tough, and stretchable.  Also, it does not dry out quickly, as other animal-derived tissues such as parchment do.   As such, it can be used and reused to cover widemouthed jars to keep the contents fresh.   It will hold water for up to three months without leakage and cracking.   And inevitably, experiments have been made by various Nybelmarnian herbwives, madames, and chirogeons as to its ability to prevent conception in humans...



(chortles and ducks out of the room hastily)


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 24 June 2009, 10:47:11
@ Ze Bard:  I thought that they might actually eat themselves to death, or murder each other in a feeding frenzy. I can see the usage working out though.

I believe it was mentioned that folks would ask why all our frogs were terrible murderous brutes. The reply was "Why not?"


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 24 June 2009, 17:03:03
@Judy:  Well someone was talking about frogs eating orcs in the shoutbox for some reason I've forgotten, and then after a bit of discussion Seth declared that anyone who made any carnivorous frogs would gain her undying respect...of course with such a prize on offer how could anyone refuse!


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 24 June 2009, 18:09:01
That was me ... and as for the reason ... well I'm weird like that. :grin:

Actually, I was trying to have a bit of fun at the expense of our favourite orc, Tharoc.

* Hangs head in shame. *


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 24 June 2009, 18:45:11
*gives him a cookie before running off quickly*


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: seth ghibta on 24 June 2009, 19:53:58
ooh, i love it! lessee, names - you could have some fun with these.

bloodvein (stole it from a moth, but with the markings you've described, could work)
inops (in my very bad dictionary-latin, that's "help!")
thirsty treefrog
glutton frog
ghoulfrog
exploding frog

dunno if any of them are any good. :buck:


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: Bard Judith on 24 June 2009, 22:32:47
Oh, come on.... Ghoultoad is so much scarier!    Make'm toads, please please pretty please!


(hint hint picture cough ahem)


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 25 June 2009, 00:02:52
I like inops (it sounds a little bit like "it hops")

I think I will call them Baniops

@Ze Bard
Toads exist in a somewhat drier clime than I have in mind for the Baniops.

Find me a wasteland and I will make ghoultoads. They will glow. Creepily.


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 25 June 2009, 00:07:58
Wasteland------------------> Venlaken Enclave


Title: Re: The Frogs O' Doom (currently lacking a better name)
Post by: seth ghibta on 25 June 2009, 01:32:20
or alternatively - there are lots of toads which would fit your current stuff - tree toads (did Judith mention them earlier? currently too hyper to check  :D) look like slightly odd, largeish tree frogs - example: http://www.arkive.org/warty-asian-tree-toad/pedostibes-tuberculosus/ (http://www.arkive.org/warty-asian-tree-toad/pedostibes-tuberculosus/)
just a thought. Because I agree, ghoultoad sounds better. :)


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 01 July 2009, 06:04:25
Ok.  Two things I noticed right of the bat before I even got down into the meat of this entry.

1)Overview needs to be longer then a single sentence.  It should touch on all the major highlights of the beast.

2)Territory should be longer then three words, even if it is just a single -complete- sentence


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 02 July 2009, 00:33:20
Yes, the entry is on the shortish side. I feel there's lots and lots of fun stuff here: I just want to read more of it!


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 02 July 2009, 07:53:54
Should be fix-ed now


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Val O´Neil on 02 July 2009, 12:54:30
I drew a picture just for you! Spent three hours on it in GIMP2.6. So I hope that you like it. My hand was cramping up near the end, so sorry if there's some sloppy bits :(

Anyway, enjoy:

the Baniop
clicky clicky (http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj316/LilPingu/theBaniop.jpg)

Click on it to see a bigger version of it. :grin:


Bobspeed
:heart: ~ Val ~ :heart:


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 02 July 2009, 16:10:22
Wow, it looks...slimy and horribly poisonous! In a good way XD


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 02 July 2009, 23:37:27
That is *awesome!*  :D


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 03 July 2009, 00:30:40
Wow Val!   Very nicely done


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Grendal Thornfist on 03 July 2009, 01:07:13
Ver' nice. We must have different Gimp programs 'cause ever'ting i try to draw looks, well gimpish.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Val O´Neil on 03 July 2009, 03:19:44
^_^  Hiiii. Trying my hand at uring something other than CD, right? So, here'goes.
Comments made pretty in Pink!
Corrections made ravishing in Red!
:grin:
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Bestiary/Water Creatures/Molluscs & Others

Overview
The Baniop, also called the Bloodjumper Frog, is among the most feared and reviled members of its species,<unnecessary comma because of its ghoulish habit of consuming blood as much as its tendency to swarm when doing so. Baniops are only known to live in the Falsejungles of Chuu, where the local Meelaimed folk regard them as cursed. >.>  I feel like there's still more that you can write into this overview. Only having two sentences isn't very much.

Appearance
“Look. What I’m sayin, what I’m sayin is ye can’t call that thing a frog. It looks like a frog, smells like a frog and croaks like a damn frog, but it has teeth, why for the love of the gods does that thing have teeth!?”
–Delirious Frog Victim, while being carried away by Sanriers

To all outward appearances, the Baniop looks like an ordinary frog. Its colouring is something of a deviation from the norm, being bright blue,<unnecessary comma with large red stripes issuing from the tops of it’s<its eyes and running down the creature’s back. It is by no stretch of the imagination a large frog, two of them could rest comfortably on the palm of a man’s hand.
(space! :D )
Its feet have sticky pads which enable the Baniop to hang from branches and sturdy leaves, while its powerful legs enable it to jump distances up to three fores in length and up to a fore in height from a standing start. The Baniop has, instead of an elastic tongue, a set of rather sharp teeth,<unnecessary comma which it uses to feed. These to have a tendency to fall out, these teeth are replaced by new teeth after a short while.<Zah? Uuuhm, how about "These teeth have a tendency to fall out, and are replaced by new teeth after a short while."?
-And what about its eyes? Are they slimy and sticky looking? Me drawing you a picture doesn't mean you can skimp on the written details, mister. :P
        
Special Abilities
The Baniop is known for its stomach capacity. It can actually eat itself to death, since its stomach is more flexible than the rest of the frog’s body. A wet popping noise is usually associated with the phenomena of a tree frog bursting, and is usually cause to stay away from the source of the sound, lest one unwittingly leads more frogs to a messy death. The Baniop also has an uncanny ability to sense living animals. Whereas some creatures (like ducks) might be confused by a cleverly constructed fake, a Baniop is not. Some postulate that they can actually hear a creature’s blood pumping.

Territory
The Baniops are found exclusively in the Falsejungles of Chuu, where their amphibious nature is of great use during the occasional flood-rains that inundate the forest floor. The Falsejungles may be found on the eastern coast of Zhun in Nybelmar. Are they found throughout the entirety of the Falsejungles? Do they tend to populate one part of the Falsejungles more than another?
    
Habitat/Behavior
Baniop roam in a(?) loose group of individuals, numbering two dozen at the very least and three score at the most, clinging to trees like over-painted mushrooms. Once they discover a target, the Baniops will descend like a living rain to bite the unwitting victim, using their feet to stick to the hide of the unfortunate prey. Are they of like... wolf pack-like oriented minded? Or do they just hang out in a tree and when something edible happens to wander past, they haphazardly fall face first out of the tree at it?

Diet
The Baniop is not picky about what it eats, since it actually consumes the blood of it’s<its victims rather than their flesh, they do however tend to go after larger animals, including any Meelaimeed unlucky enough to run afoul of a hungry pod. Baniops do have an unusual taste for the cadensis cats that are their main predators, and the sight of many dead frogs usually indicates a fight between some cats and several groups of Baniops. To feed, a Baniop will land on a creature, cling to it with it’s<its feet and bite. The Baniop then sucks the blood from the wound until it runs dry. Oddly enough, Baniops have never been reported to feed on shed blood, nor have they been seen to feed on deceased creatures, leading some scholars to suspect that "they like it hot".

Mating
Female Baniops lay a multitude of eggs numbering between 50 and 80<comma sometimes even up to(?) a 100 on a leaf. The males then fight over, to the point of using their teeth, the right to fertilize these eggs. Baniops can be very dangerous during this season, since anything that moves and has a heartbeat is considered a potential aggressor. Travellers are warned to be especially careful in the later parts of the [insert month]
  
Myth/Lore/Origin
The Meelaimed tell that the Baniops were not always as they were. They once were frogs that ate the juice of the fruit of a certain tree (need a name) that grew within the Falsejungles in abundance, and were known for the beautiful singing noise they made to attract mates. When the jungles began to rot and decay, so did the trees, which ceased to bear fruit. The frogs, now lacking food, began to die in great numbers, leaving corpses scattered across the floor of the jungles like flower petals after a storm. After a short while, they could no longer hear the frogs singing, and believed them all to have starved to death, when they discovered that they had not. The frogs now drank blood instead of juice, and are held as a sign by the Meelaimed of their curse and of the downfall of Chuu.

Usages
Meelaimed folk will often try to lure Baniops into pits, usually with a sick or wounded animal, and then harvest the frogs for their stomachs, which are used as waterproof pouches. Several stomachs can be used to make a larger pouch, if sewn by overlapping them at the seams. These stomachs must be treated, most often with a mixture of the blood found in the stomach and lake oil, in order to keep them elastic.
(space :D )
The saliva of the Baniop is also harvested, because it acts as a blood thinner and is sought after by healers. Applying Baniop saliva to a wound will prevent it from thickening and beginning to scab, and is useful if there is debris caught in the wound, or if one wishes the area to form a scar instead of healing properly. Care must be taken to use this sparingly however, if the wound is too large an inability to scab over may lead to disease or death from blood loss.

I apparently didn't have much to point out! Uhm, well, okay! Bye now!

Bobspeed
:heart: ~ Val ~ :heart:


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 03 July 2009, 09:35:55
S'all finished.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Val O´Neil on 03 July 2009, 15:30:30
I tried my hand at making a plant background for your frog. ^_~

o.o Relooocated :D


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Seeker on 04 July 2009, 12:50:13
Val, this frog pic is turning out really good.  I am glad to see more and more people are trying their hand at drawing.  I use Gimp as well, it is great.

If you don't mind, would you post this in the artist forum.  There it can get the proper critique and it will be well on its way to getting posted along with the frog entry.  (it will also avoid this post from being clogged with critique on the narrative and critique on the pic)

Again Val, this is looking really good  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Smee on 06 July 2009, 22:01:29
Ok Valan, what do we have here... (how could I resist a title like Frog 'o Doom!)

*prepares for comments*

*gets to end*

Oh... erm...

Well that was a very enjoyable read. Nice and easy to check too, as I found nothing it seems.

*tries harder*

I do think the overview still needs some work though. It is still a tad short. The Meelaimada folk might consider them cursed, but perhaps a brief mention that they do still have their uses. Maybe you should add some part of the usage section where they perform some act over the corpse to 'clense the curse' before making their pouches and collecting saliva etc?

Back to the overview :

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because of its ghoulish habit of consuming blood as much as its tendency to swarm when doing so.

This part comes across rather awkwardly. The part about swarming doesn't take well on the end.

"because of its ghoulish habit of sucking the blood of its victims. Not so bad in itself, but during a feeding frenzt these creatures can swarm in numbers up to sixty or more allowing them to drain surprisingly large prey, including humans."

~

Good stuff,

Happy Writing :)


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 07 July 2009, 01:47:43
Tell me when you are in need of more commentary Valan...


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 07 July 2009, 08:31:52
A little bit too soon I think Decipher. All of Smee's comments (may his hair never fall out) have been integrated in that lovely shade Gold.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 08 July 2009, 00:47:42
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“Look. What I’m sayin, what I’m sayin is ye can’t call that thing a frog.

I don’t get the purpose of repeating the same phrase here.  I get that you are trying to be colloquial, but it doesn’t really make sense in this case.  People don’t repeat the same phrase twice in a row unless they are trying to make a dramatic pause or are stumbling over their words, neither of which are indicated here.

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To all outward appearances, the Baniop looks like an ordinary frog.

This sentence doesn’t make any sense.

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Its colouring is something of a deviation from the norm, being bright blue with large red stripes issuing from the tops of its eyes and running down the creature’s back.

In the sentence above you say that it looks like an ordinary frog and then immediately afterwards you say it doesn’t.  A bit contradictory.  Also, I don’t know if issuing is the right word to sue here.

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It is by no stretch of the imagination a large frog, two of them could rest comfortably on the palm of a man’s hand

Something is grammatically off in this sentence.  You either need a semi-colon or a word to connect the two clauses.

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being green as they are,

I think this is the passive voice, which is a big no no.  But even if it isn’t, this is just an awkward way of phrasing what you are trying to say, seeing as you use two forms of the same word in such a small clause. 

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The Baniop has, instead of an elastic tongue, a set of rather sharp teeth, which it uses to feed. These to have a tendency to fall out and are replaced by new teeth after a short while.

Alright.  To start, the first sentence ahs too many commas.  Take out the one in front of the which.  Also, I don’t really understand why there teeth are falling out or how it happens and how they grow them back.  Teeth are pretty static things and generally when you lose them they are gone.  It takes a great deal of effort to re-construct bone and it would appear you have them falling out at an alarming rate.  Also, aren’t they eating flesh?  Therefore why would there teeth need to fall out?  It’ not like there is anything hard for them to be shattered on or snap against.  Also, the entire appearance section reads a bit choppy.  Would you mind editing it to make it flow more smoothly?

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The Baniop is known for its stomach capacity. It can actually eat itself to death, since its stomach is more flexible than the rest of the frog’s body. A wet popping noise is usually associated with the phenomena of a tree frog bursting, and is usually cause to stay away from the source of the sound, lest one unwittingly leads more frogs to a messy death.

This makes absolutely no sense.  Why would an organism ever have the ability to eat until it makes itself explode.  Speaking from a scientific and evolutionary standpoint, such a feature is just foolish and would never survive long.  Also, why aren’t all the special abilities you listed in the appearance section listed in the special abilities section?  Things such as jumping, teeth, ect. all belong down here.

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Baniops roam in loose groups of individuals, numbering two dozen at the very least and three score at the most, clinging to trees like over-painted mushrooms. Once they discover a target, the Baniops will descend like a living rain to bite the unwitting victim, using their feet to stick to the hide of the unfortunate prey.

Um…I am going to put this bluntly and say that this is not an acceptable behavior section.  You need to elaborate much more.  Talk about things such as how their little groups operate.  Do they migrate around certain areas?  How is the “Leader” decided?  Things like this should all be elaborated upon and included in this entry.

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The Baniop is not picky about what it eats, since it actually consumes the blood of its victims rather than their flesh, they do however tend to go after larger animals, including Meelaimada unlucky enough to run afoul of a hungry pod.

*blink* Ok…This whole beast is designed as a flesh eater.  Teeth are meant for eating flesh, not sucking blood.  You need to resolve this issue by either changing the design of the beast or what you want it to eat.

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To feed, a Baniop will land on a creature, cling to it with its feet and bite. The Baniop then sucks the blood from the wound until it runs dry.

Yeah…Doesn’t work like that.

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Female Baniops lay a multitude of eggs numbering between 50 and 80, sometimes even up to 100 on a leaf. The males then fight over, to the point of using their teeth, the right to fertilize these eggs.

These beasts are starting to sound less and less like frogs and more and more like random beasts.  First off, frogs grow from tadpoles, which require water(and should also be elaborated upon in this section).  Secondly, this is not how frog mating works.  I’m sure you can find more details on Wikipedia, but it involves this hug and then spraying of eggs and then fertilizing them in the air and stuff.

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juice of the fruit of a certain tree

Could you get anymore generic on this detail :P  Perhaps a name for the fruit and the tree would be in order.

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Several stomachs can be used to make a larger pouch,

Didn’t you say they were super-expanding things?  Why would you need to use multiple stomachs?

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Applying Baniop saliva to a wound will prevent it from thickening and beginning to scab, and is useful if there is debris caught in the wound, or if one wishes the area to form a scar instead of healing properly.

Uh…That’s not really the purpose of blood thinners.  If you don’t let the wound scab over the person is going to bleed to death.  Whatever healer was using this method would soon be out of customers ;)

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a Meelaimad will purify the corpse, usually by suspending it from a tree, or by burning it.

Why?


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Smee on 08 July 2009, 01:02:17
I need to hop in here briefly to answer some of Drasil's comments - I think you're being a little picky with some of them :

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This makes absolutely no sense.  Why would an organism ever have the ability to eat until it makes itself explode.  Speaking from a scientific and evolutionary standpoint, such a feature is just foolish and would never survive long

The common Goldfish are quite well known for being able to eat themselves to death, appearing always hungry. Possibly an urban myth, but well believed. I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible, and certainly not in the Dream where the ordinary can be a little more unusual.

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blink* Ok…This whole beast is designed as a flesh eater.  Teeth are meant for eating flesh, not sucking blood.  You need to resolve this issue by either changing the design of the beast or what you want it to eat.

A quote from the internet on how a certain species of vampire bat feeds :

"Vampire bats usually feed on livestock, although humans may occasionally be unwitting blood donors. They make a small, painless incision in the skin and lap up the blood with their tongues while anti-coagulant chemicals in their saliva ensure that the blood meal continues flowing."

Sounds like that'd fit what has been said about this frog pretty well to me

~

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a Meelaimad will purify the corpse, usually by suspending it from a tree, or by burning it.

Why?

That's in response to one of my comments - they consider the frogs cursed as already mentioned in the entry. Purifying it would be their means of cleansing the curse before using the bodies.

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Didn’t you say they were super-expanding things?  Why would you need to use multiple stomachs?

He describes the frogs as being quite small (half the size of a human's hand) and their stomachs as only being super expanding in terms of the frog's own body (able to explode from eating too much). A pouch the size of your hand isn't that big, so several sewn together would make a decent size bag.




Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 08 July 2009, 01:11:45
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A quote from the internet on how a certain species of vampire bat feeds :

"Vampire bats usually feed on livestock, although humans may occasionally be unwitting blood donors. They make a small, painless incision in the skin and lap up the blood with their tongues while anti-coagulant chemicals in their saliva ensure that the blood meal continues flowing."

Sounds like that'd fit what has been said about this frog pretty well to me


He tells us that this beast has no tongue so therefore lapping isn't really possible, hence my confusion.

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That's in response to one of my comments - they consider the frogs cursed as already mentioned in the entry. Purifying it would be their means of cleansing the curse before using the bodies.

Its great that he answered one of your comments but it needs to be done so in a way that people outside of those who read the comments you provided know what he was talking about.  When I read this, I could tell that it was an add on based on the something someone else had told him to add, however I was unable to decipher exactly what the purpose was which I should be able to do from reading the paragraph.  A little bit of elaboration shouldn't be harmful ;)


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Smee on 08 July 2009, 01:16:28
Yup agreed on the curse/cleasing thing. One line doesn't quite cover it.  :P

The tongue thing - I read it as not having the elastic tongue of a typical frog, that shoots outs and grabs flies, but instead has a small tongue rather than none at all. Again a little clarification might help, but I don't think there's a fundamental problem with the way it eats.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 08 July 2009, 01:57:46
If I might clarify my own intention, no. It actually lacks a tongue entirely. It would probably be closer to a mosquito than to a vampire bat in terms of feeding. Could've sworn I wrote that down somewhere. *wanders off to start stabbing logic in the face*


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 09 July 2009, 00:15:53
Bestiary/Water Creatures/Molluscs & Others

Overview
The Baniop, also called the Bloodjumper Frog, is among the most feared and reviled members of its species because of its ghoulish habit of consuming blood. Worse still is the alarming tendency of Baniops to swarm in groups of fifty or more in a feeding frenzy, enabling them to suck men or even larger beasts dry. Baniops are only known to live in the Falsejungles of Chuu where are these? 'Cross the seas? Southern Sarvonia? Where? And while I know that the south of Sarvonia is mainly desert, many newbies might not. So just specify a bit farther, take the reader right where we need to be., where the local Meelaimada humans? elves? orcs?folk regard them as cursed.

Appearance
“Look. What I’m sayin, what I’m sayin is ye can’t call that thing a frog. It looks like a frog, smells like a frog and croaks like a damn frog, but it has teeth, why for the love of the gods does that thing have teeth!?”
–Delirious Frog Victim, while being carried away by Sanriers
heh. :)

To all outward appearances, the Baniop looks like an ordinary frog. Its colouring is something of a deviation from the norm, being bright blue with large red stripes issuing from the tops of its eyes and running down the creature’s back. It is by no stretch of the imagination a large frog, I would seperate thius into two seperate sentances. Flows better :) two of them could rest comfortably on the palm of a man’s hand. The eyes of the Baniop are rather disconcerting, being green as they are, with a curious pattern of coloured lines. The eyes bulge out from the sockets, which sit out from the top of the Baniop's head, and have a distinct shine to them, unlike the rest of the body, which is simply slimy.
Its feet have sticky pads which enable the Baniop to hang from branches and sturdy leaves, while its powerful legs enable it to jump distances up to three fores in length and up to a fore in height from a standing start. The Baniop has, instead of an elastic tongue, a set of rather sharp teeth, which it uses to feed. These to have a tendency to fall out and are replaced by new teeth after a short while. Maybe they have multiplke rows of teeth? Like sharks, or manticores?

Special Abilities
The Baniop is known for its stomach capacity. It can actually eat itself to death, since its stomach is more flexible than the rest of the frog’s body. A wet popping noise is usually associated with the phenomena of a tree frog bursting, and is usually cause to stay away from the source of the sound, lest one unwittingly leads more frogs to a messy death. Haha, I like this :) The Baniop also has an uncanny ability to sense living animals. Whereas some creatures (like ducks) might be confused by a cleverly constructed fake, a Baniop is not. Some postulate that they can actually hear a creature’s blood pumping. VAMPIRE FROGS! Nice.

Territory
The Baniops are found exclusively in the Falsejungles of Chuu, where their amphibious nature is of great use during the occasional flood-rains that inundate the forest floor. The Falsejungles may be found near the northern coast of Nybelmar, southwest of the Ivyieth Mountains and north of Sarthera. Due to the efforts of the Meelaimada to kill these frogs, they are not found with any particular proximity to settlements.
    
Habitat/Behavior
Baniops roam in loose groups of individuals, numbering two dozen at the very least and three score at the most, clinging to trees like over-painted mushrooms. Once they discover a target, the Baniops will descend like a living rain to bite the unwitting victim, using their feet to stick to the hide of the unfortunate prey. How quickly can they strip a cow?

Diet
The Baniop is not picky about what it eats, since it actually consumes the blood of its victims rather than their flesh, they do however tend to go after larger animals, including Meelaimada unlucky enough to run afoul of a hungry pod. Baniops do have an unusual taste for the cadensis cats that are their main predators, and the sight of many dead frogs usually indicates a fight between some cats and several groups of Baniops. I'm not sure I'd make a primary prey an animal that can kill me... To feed, a Baniop will land on a creature, cling to it with its feet and bite. The Baniop then sucks the blood from the wound until it runs dry. Oddly enough, Baniops have never been reported to feed on shed blood, nor have they been seen to feed on deceased creatures, leading some scholars to suspect that "they like it hot". Which scholar? Not nessecary, but you could do something funny here.

Mating
Female Baniops lay a multitude of eggs numbering between 50 and 80, sometimes even up to 100 on a leaf. The males then fight over, to the point of using their teeth, the right to fertilize these eggs. Baniops can be very dangerous during this season, since anything that moves and has a heartbeat is considered a potential aggressor. Travellers are warned to be especially careful in the later parts of the month of Awakening Earth.
  
Myth/Lore/Origin
The Meelaimada tell that the Baniops were not always as they were. They once were frogs that ate the juice of the fruit of a certain tree, believed by some scholars to have been the Keelo tree, that grew within the Falsejungles in abundance, and were known for the beautiful singing noise they made to attract mates. When the jungles began to rot and decay, Why did they rot?so did the trees, which ceased to bear fruit. The frogs, now lacking food, began to die in great numbers, leaving corpses scattered across the floor of the jungles like flower petals after a storm. After a short while, they could no longer hear the frogs singing, and believed them all to have starved to death, when they discovered that they had not. The frogs now drank blood instead of juice, and are held as a sign by the Meelaimada of their curse and of the downfall of Chuu.

Usages
Meelaimada folk will often try to lure Baniops into pits, usually with a sick or wounded animal, and then harvest the frogs for their stomachs, which are used as waterproof pouches. Several stomachs can be used to make a larger pouch, if sewn by overlapping them at the seams. These stomachs must be treated, most often with a mixture of the blood found in the stomach and lake oil, in order to keep them elastic.

The saliva of the Baniop is also harvested, because it acts as a blood thinner and is sought after by healers. Applying Baniop saliva to a wound will prevent it from thickening and beginning to scab, and is useful if there is debris caught in the wound, or if one wishes the area to form a scar instead of healing properly. Care must be taken to use this sparingly however, if the wound is too large an inability to scab over may lead to disease or death from blood loss.

While non-Meelamada have been known to use the Banops solely for these elements, a Meelaimad will purify the corpse, usually by suspending it from a tree, or by burning it.
Very nicely done! We've got some nasty locales in Santh....



Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 09 July 2009, 04:33:45
Nsiki, generally its not a good idea to provide an Uri when the writer has not encorperated comments from the previous check yet. 


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 09 July 2009, 05:11:37
But better two checks than none, eh? :)


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 09 July 2009, 05:26:09
Actually Drasil, I'm having a hard time seeing some of these errors you're talking about. The sentences you mention (for the most part) seem to make perfect sense.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 09 July 2009, 10:10:39
Its not you can't glean a meaning from most of those sentences, the major issues is that they aren't correct gramatically or are phrased in a very awkward manner.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 09 July 2009, 10:28:14
And what I am saying is that I believe that they're fine. I can't see anything wrong with some of the sentences you've pointed out here.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 10 July 2009, 00:55:30
...Apparently you are going to make me do this the tedious way  ;).  Which ones do you not find to be gramatically incorrect and I will assist you in altering them so that they make more sense. 


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 11 July 2009, 01:33:26
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“Look. What I’m sayin, what I’m sayin is ye can’t call that thing a frog.

I don’t get the purpose of repeating the same phrase here.  I get that you are trying to be colloquial, but it doesn’t really make sense in this case.  People don’t repeat the same phrase twice in a row unless they are trying to make a dramatic pause or are stumbling over their words, neither of which are indicated here.

You expect a delirious person to be grammatically correct?
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To all outward appearances, the Baniop looks like an ordinary frog.

This sentence doesn’t make any sense.
Yes it does. The phrase is perfectly clear from where I'm standing. "To all outward appearances" meaning that it looks like a frog on the outside. It is frog shaped.


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Baniops roam in loose groups of individuals, numbering two dozen at the very least and three score at the most, clinging to trees like over-painted mushrooms. Once they discover a target, the Baniops will descend like a living rain to bite the unwitting victim, using their feet to stick to the hide of the unfortunate prey.

Um…I am going to put this bluntly and say that this is not an acceptable behavior section.  You need to elaborate much more.  Talk about things such as how their little groups operate.  Do they migrate around certain areas?  How is the “Leader” decided?  Things like this should all be elaborated upon and included in this entry.

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The Baniop is not picky about what it eats, since it actually consumes the blood of its victims rather than their flesh, they do however tend to go after larger animals, including Meelaimada unlucky enough to run afoul of a hungry pod.

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*blink* Ok…This whole beast is designed as a flesh eater.  Teeth are meant for eating flesh, not sucking blood.  You need to resolve this issue by either changing the design of the beast or what you want it to eat.

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To feed, a Baniop will land on a creature, cling to it with its feet and bite. The Baniop then sucks the blood from the wound until it runs dry.

Yeah…Doesn’t work like that.
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Female Baniops lay a multitude of eggs numbering between 50 and 80, sometimes even up to 100 on a leaf. The males then fight over, to the point of using their teeth, the right to fertilize these eggs.
These beasts are starting to sound less and less like frogs and more and more like random beasts.  First off, frogs grow from tadpoles, which require water(and should also be elaborated upon in this section).  Secondly, this is not how frog mating works.  I’m sure you can find more details on Wikipedia, but it involves this hug and then spraying of eggs and then fertilizing them in the air and stuff.[/quote]

The entire section here is bugging me since you're bringing science into it. What's the point of fantasy if we obey all the rules? I'm making frogs with teeth that suck blood and you're worried about the fact that they don't mate like frogs? Mating? Really.

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juice of the fruit of a certain tree

Could you get anymore generic on this detail :P  Perhaps a name for the fruit and the tree would be in order.
I believe that was included. Why yes it was!
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fruit of a certain tree, believed by some scholars to have been the Keelo tree
I'll thank you not to slice my sentences up more than necessary here. To be perfectly clear, that phrase hasn't been added in between then and now, since
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« Last Edit: 07 July 2009, 11:48:22 by Drasil Razorfang »
is the current bottom of the post.

Hopefully this helps.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 11 July 2009, 03:24:00
The broken code was making it extremely difficult for me to read your comments so I went and took the liberty to fix that for you so that I can address them.  My responses will follow below.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 11 July 2009, 03:53:53
So now to address your various issues:

First:  I am not asking you to be grammatically correct.  If I was asking you to do that, I would ask you to change it to “Look.  What I am saying is that you can’t call that thing a frog.”  What I am telling you is that I get you are trying to make it colloquial, but it doesn’t make sense because people don’t talk like that.  If you want it to work you need to either take out one of the “What I am sayin”s or indicate a reason in the syntax as to why he repeated himself.  By inserting a … or maybe even having the writer indicate that he took a second to gather himself, it shows that there is a pause between the two, making it not only make sense from a colloquial stand point, but also addressing my concern.

Second:  “To all outward appearances” is the most awkward and unnecessary phrase I have seen in a long time.  It’s riddled with redundancies and as a whole is not even needed for the sentence to make sense.  Simply saying, “The Baniop looks like an ordinary frog” would convey the same message.  If you want me to point out what is wrong with that clause in specifics, I can do that to, but I think my above explanation should help you better understand what I was trying to say.

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The entire section here is bugging me since you're bringing science into it. What's the point of fantasy if we obey all the rules? I'm making frogs with teeth that suck blood and you're worried about the fact that they don't mate like frogs? Mating? Really.

When I read this comment, the first thing that pops into my head is “Typical newbie argument”.  We hear this argument from every new member who wants to create some super awesome killing machine with no consideration for what is already in place and no explanation, and quite frankly, its old tired and isn’t going to hold up in an argument.  If you really have your heart set on making another one of these killing machines, you are going to have to explain how and why it works otherwise its not going to happen.  In your specific case, I think your easiest route would be to stop calling this thing a frog and simply make it an amphibious monster, since that’s what it is in reality.  If you insist on making it a frog, it is going to have to resemble a frog in more then just its appearance otherwise its not going to work.  Therefore, if you wish to keep it a frog, you are going to have to further elaborate on the various things that makes it different from your generic frog in its habitat and behaviour, as well as in its appearance, you are also going to have to add in tadpoles and such as part of its habitat and behavior and/or its mating section, you are going to have to make it mate like a frog(mating is what is used to classify animals in various categories so if it doesn’t mate like a frog, I don’t think it would be classified in the same category) and finally its going to have to make logical sense.  For example, teeth are used to tear into flesh and make incisions, not siphon out blood.  

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I'll thank you not to slice my sentences up more than necessary here. To be perfectly clear, that phrase hasn't been added in between then and now, since
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« Last Edit: 07 July 2009, 11:48:22 by Drasil Razorfang »
is the current bottom of the post.

I found this comment to be quite insulting and completely unnecessary and I find it extremely tempting to give you a -1 aura for it(though I have refrained cause I understand where your frustrations are coming from).  However, in the future, I ask that you refrain from attempting to insult the moderators who are commenting on your bestiary entries simply because you do not like what they have to say.  As for this specific quote that you took out: Good, I am glad you have decided upon a tree, however, that does not make that phrase any less generic.  “The fruit of a certain tree” is still an extremely unspecific clause.  Editing it would not be a big deal, all you would have to do is say “The fruit of the Keelo tree.” Hardly a “butchering of your sentences”.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Smee on 11 July 2009, 04:11:51
I reacted to Dras's first comments too - I didn't think some of his comments were fair either and I mentioned those specifically.

But I have to say that he is pretty spot on here (aside from 'to all outward appearances'. That is a colloquialism that I'm quite familiar with, and it is used (however redundant it sounds), but it's not a big deal and changing it to be clearer will help with general understanding).

I really like this creature, as my first comments state. A few changes and we can get this into the world and enjoy it. Nearly there Val.

Happy Writing :)



Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 11 July 2009, 07:56:39
Valan, I feel that you are being somewhat unreasonable in antagonising Drasil's commentary. Grammar and syntax have always been what I have considered 'Open Season' when it came to changes- unless you have a specific and valid reason not to rearrange a sentence I think its a good rule of thumb just to do it. I mean, Drasil or anyone else for that matter would not look into your entry and point out an issue if there was no real reason for it. In my honest opinion, its simply courtesy to make edits that while perhaps slightly unneccesary from your perspective are important to the commentor. And, like us all Valan, no one's grammar can be perfect.

And on the stylistic issues, I dont think 'Fantasy Licence' allows you to transcend classification rules. Personally, I have always had the concept of spawn, tadpoles etc. as pertinent facets of frogs and toads. I mean, would you call something a butterfly if it had no caterpillar stage or no cacoon?

In short, I don't think anything suggested by Drasil is unreasonable and it would be in your best interests to integrate his sound commentary.

Deci


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 11 July 2009, 19:06:22
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I mean, would you call something a butterfly if it had no caterpillar stage or no cacoon?


Maybe that issue would be worth an 'objective', emotionless discussion on the general board. For me it is not as clear as you describe it here, Deci. maybe this approach is a bit too modern.

If something looks like a butterfly, why should I not call it like this? Did the medieval people have already such strict classifications? (A butterfly is only a beast which has a larvae stadium, a frog needs to have a waterpool at some point of its development?)

My first thought when skimming over that discussion was, that 'what looks like a xxx' is a 'xxx', even if its behaviour is different or its looks inside different. You call a mechanical frog still a frog.

I think, in this case, the people would still call it a frog, maybe a xxx-frog, maybe even well knowing, that it is not really a frog. In the entry itself it should however pointed out, that this may be NOT a true frog.

Why not call him 'false frog'?

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To the colloquial wording - I think it should be avoided in an entry for the compendium, except in quotes, for the language in such an encyclopedia should be of a certain standard. I always imagine lectors/editors working there, who polish the incoming research reports. So even, if the researcher's language is not the best, the lectors would mend that.

Apart from that, I don't understand them ;)


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 11 July 2009, 22:06:19
Point still being, even if its a false frog he needs to elaborate on the things that makes it different from a frog, which up to this point Valan has thought it was not necessary to do.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 10 August 2009, 03:51:04
Edits have been made in pink.

The matter of the "gramatical errors" has been left in abeyance, since Drasil and I have not been able to see eye-to-eye on that particular matter.

Oh! And there's an easter egg.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 10 August 2009, 09:00:44
...Valan I am done with this entry.  If you wish for it to get approved, you can go waste another mods time.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Bard Judith on 10 August 2009, 21:56:29
It seems this needs another going-over, then?  I have time, which I don't intend to 'waste', nor am I going to take sides on an entry whose original intent seems to have been frittered and tattered by far too much contention.   

 I'll merely ignore any previous comments (after having read them all carefully, mind you) and simply look at the first post (last edit) as if I were doing a Judicizing from scratch: in other words, any grammatical errors or syntactical awkwardness will be marked in one colour  and additions/suggestions in another.   As usual, errors should be corrected and suggestions may or may not be implemented, giving individual developers the freedom to their own style.   What constitutes an 'error' is obviously in dispute here: perhaps my experience and expertise may give me the credentials to hand down a 'final decision' that everyone can accept?  See for yourselves...


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Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)

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Bestiary/Water Creatures/Molluscs & Others  (what, we don't have amphibians?)

Overview
The Baniop, also called the Bloodjumper Frog or False-Frog, is among the most feared and reviled members of its species (perhaps 'kind' - less technical-sounding and avoids the question of species altogether) because of its ghoulish habit of consuming blood. Worse still is the alarming tendency of Baniops to swarm in groups of fifty or more in a feeding frenzy, enabling them to suck men or even larger beasts dry. Baniops are only known to live in the Falsejungles of Chuu, located in northern Nybelmar, where the local Meelaimada men (,understandably,)  regard them as cursed.
                                               
Appearance
“Look. What I’m sayin', what I’m sayin'  is ye can’t call that thing a frog. It looks like a frog, smells like a frog and croaks like a damn frog, but it has teeth, why for the love of the gods does that thing have teeth!?”
–Delirious Frog Victim, while being carried away by Sanriers

To all outward appearances, the Baniop looks like an ordinary frog. Its colouring is something of a deviation from the norm, being bright blue with large red stripes starting at  the tops of its eyes and running down the creature’s back. It is by no stretch of the imagination a large frog;  two of them could rest comfortably on the palm of a man’s hand. The eyes of the Baniop are rather disconcerting, being green with a curious pattern of coloured lines. The eyes bulge out from the sockets, which themselves protrude  from the top of the Baniop's head, and have a distinct shine to them, unlike the rest of the body, which is simply slimy.
Its feet have sticky pads which enable the Baniop to hang from branches and sturdy leaves, while its powerful legs enable it to jump distances up to three fores in length and up to a fore in height from a standing start. The Baniop has, instead of the typical frog's elastic tongue, a set of rather sharp teeth, which it uses to feed. These have a tendency to fall out and are replaced by new teeth after a short while.
         
Special Abilities
The Baniop is known for its stomach capacity. It can actually eat itself to death, since its stomach is more flexible than the rest of the frog’s body. A wet popping noise is usually associated with the phenomena of a tree frog bursting, and is usually cause to stay away from the source of the sound, lest one unwittingly leads more frogs to a messy death. The Baniop also has an uncanny ability to sense living animals. Whereas some creatures (like ducks) might be confused by a cleverly constructed fake, a Baniop is not. Some postulate that they can actually hear a creature’s blood pumping. The Baniop also possess a remarkable ability to suck blood. Much like blood-sucking insects, a False-frog will drain a creature of its  blood after biting. The frogs form a tight seal with their mouths, and then drain their prey of its blood as easily as  one would suck an egg.

Territory
The Baniops are found exclusively in the Falsejungles of Chuu, where their amphibious nature is of great use during the occasional flood-rains that inundate the forest floor. The Falsejungles may be found near the northern coast of Nybelmar, southwest of the Ivyieth Mountains and north of Sarthera.  Due  to the efforts of the Meelaimada to kill these frogs, they are not found with any particular proximity to settlements of any reputable size.
   
Habitat/Behavior
Baniops roam in loose groups of individuals, numbering two dozen at the very least and three score at the most, clinging to trees like over-painted mushrooms. Once they discover a target, the Baniops will descend like a living rain to bite the unwitting victim, using their feet to stick to the hide of the unfortunate prey.

Diet
The Baniop is not picky about what it eats, since it actually consumes the blood of its victims rather than their flesh; they do however tend to go after larger animals, including Meelaimada unlucky enough to run afoul of a hungry pod. Baniops do have an unusual taste for the Cadensis cats that are their main predators, and the sight of many dead frogs usually indicates a fight between some cats and several groups of Baniops. To feed, a Baniop will land on a creature, cling to it with its feet and bite. The Baniop then sucks the blood from the wound until it runs dry. Oddly enough, Baniops have never been reported to feed on shed blood, nor have they been seen to feed on deceased creatures, leading some scholars to suspect that "they like it hot".The late Citon Tyurs, a noted amphibian researcher, believes  that Sarvonian tales of bats "drinking" blood may have started with exaggerated stories of Baniops or at the very least were exacerbated by such tales.   (So we don't have blood-drinking bats in Caelereth at all?  Do we then actually have legends of such?  While I like 'the late Citon', this sentence seems like a detail not fully thought through...  also, 'amphibian' as a compendiumable phrase is still debatable...)

Mating
Female Baniops lay a multitude of eggs numbering between fifty and eighty, sometimes even up to a hundred on a large  leaf. The males then fight over, to the point of using their teeth, the right to fertilize these eggs. Baniops can be very dangerous during this season, since anything that moves and has a heartbeat is considered a potential aggressor. Travellers are warned to be especially careful in the later parts of the month of Awakening Earth as frogs have been known to be more aggressive than usual.
   
Myth/Lore/Origin
The Meelaimada tell that the Baniops were not always as they were. They once were frogs that ate the juice of the fruit of a certain tree, believed by some scholars to have been the Keelo tree, that grew within the Falsejungles in abundance, and were known for the beautiful singing noise they made to attract mates. When the jungles began to rot and decay, so did the trees, which ceased to bear fruit. The frogs, now lacking food, began to die in great numbers, leaving corpses scattered across the floor of the jungles like flower petals after a storm. After a short while, when they  could no longer hear the frogs singing, and believed them all to have starved to death, they  discovered that they had not. (move the 'when' - still a little awkward but now grammatically correct...)  The frogs now drank blood instead of juice, and were  held as a sign by the Meelaimada of their curse and of the downfall of Chuu.

Researchers have had difficulty categorizing the Baniop, in part because of the difficulty in obtaining  specimens. Its anatomy and feeding habits, among other details, leave the question of whether or not it is a true frog rather hotly debated among bestiary specialists.    ('up in the air' is a bit colloquial)

Usages
Meelaimada folk will often try to lure Baniops into pits, usually with a sick or wounded animal as bait,  and then harvest the frogs for their stomachs, which are used as waterproof pouches. Several stomachs can be used to make a larger pouch, if sewn by overlapping them at the seams. These stomachs must be treated, most often with a mixture of the blood found in the stomach and lake oil, in order to keep them elastic.

The saliva of the Baniop is also harvested, because it acts as a blood thinner and is sought after by healers. Applying Baniop saliva to a wound will prevent it from thickening and beginning to scab, and is useful if there is debris caught in the wound, or if one wishes the area to form a scar instead of healing properly. Care must be taken to use this sparingly however; if the wound is too large an inability to scab over may lead to disease or death from blood loss.

While non-Meelamada have been known to use the Banops solely for these elements, a Meelaimad will purify the corpse, usually by suspending it from a tree in the wind and sun,  or by smoking it over a fire of assorted herbs.   (since burning isn't going to leave your body with any usable parts!)  This practice is said to "purify" the creature, in order to render the remaining parts fit for use.   


(I'd also personally like to see my suggestions about usages incorporated, as a small, elastic, waterproof pouch would seem to be quite sought after for a number of reasons in a medieval/renaissance society - even if only in a small geographical area.   Mages could keep specialty reagents in them,  wine and cordial merchants would love to protect exotic liqueurs, spice merchants would covet them, and of course my original suggestion about creating contraceptives still holds...    However, these are suggestions and up to you as to whether you want to incorporate them for more creative detail.)
 
 

Hope this check helps catch some obvious errors, and gives you to think of some possible additions or corrections.  If there are still criticisms or further suggestions, of course you should be open to incorporating or responding to those as well.  However, I would be fine to approve this with all the yellows taken care of, as I don't believe in imposing one rigid style when it's an issue of personal preference.  Keep sticking with it, Valan - they're great little monsters, and it would be nice to see this approved and ready for the next update!


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 August 2009, 22:19:38
And an aura +1 for you, Judy!


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 11 August 2009, 01:41:15
Can I add a quibble?  (hears silence which I take as affirmation :buck:)

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“Look. What I’m sayin', what I’m sayin' is ye can’t call that thing a frog. It looks like a frog, smells like a frog and croaks like a damn frog, but it has teeth, why for the love of the gods does that thing have teeth!?”
–Delirious Frog Victim, while being carried away by Sanriers

I know this is written as a quote, but still.... this is not a quote as in a RPG, but a quote on parchment.  Any encyclopedia  or newspaper you read that has quotes from a source is not written with an accent.  It is converted to the language of the reader.  To have it written as it is just stands out to me as wrong.  Why would the compendumist involved try to decipher other person's spoken language in order to write it this way in an entry of such importance?

This, of course, does not apply to how Garret chooses to talk to us in all of her posts. :buck:  Redneck chick that she is.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 11 August 2009, 06:00:17
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And an aura +1 for you, Judy!

+ 2, actually.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Bard Judith on 11 August 2009, 09:09:21
Thank you both, Art and Shab; I feel appreciated!

Altario, and, presumably more to the point, Drasil: I understand the bone of contention here, but we do have a lot of precedent - something we strongly respect around here - as well as leeway, in making stylistic decisions within the individual compendiumist's entries.  We do insist on correct grammar and syntax, and we ask that writers use the British spelling for consistency's sake, but apart from that we do try to not impose 'High Bardic Style' or 'Corenization' upon every author. 

There are a number of entries I could point to that have used 'dialect' as a quotation within the entry to give it the appropriate flavour, not to mention that when 'translating' the speech of other races we have used some conventions to suggest the effect their 'broken' or accented Tharian has (dwarves that sound vaguely Scottish, or orcs that speak Mancunian, come to mind!).  We also have an entry dealing with the specific tribal variants of Tharian, based on just such 'transcription' of locals from around the Kingdom. 

While a contemporary Terran newspaper does indeed not commonly record 'accents' or the vernacular, the fantasy/medieval/renaissance era Compendium is not a newspaper - or really even 'only' a library.  It is more than a collection of bound tomes, scholarly scrolls, and Piled-Higher-n-Deeper doctorate research papers.  Our Compendium also includes the eclectic medley of field sketchbooks, scribbled parchments, labeled birds' eggs and skulls, tattered journals, preserved body parts,  first-draft musical compositions, stuffed specimens, measurement tables engraved on brass, bits of rusting weaponry, records of cursewords, pressed plants, and if you look closely there are doubtless some dessicated welcome-cookies lying around that the last newbie couldn't finish!   



Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 11 August 2009, 09:58:16
If there is precedent, then I take it back.  To me, it doesn't look right, but it was a minor quibble that I had since first reading and only now decided to post it.  If others find it acceptable, then keep it.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 11 August 2009, 11:40:02
If it helps, I could add a [sic] tag to the quote. I'll have at those comment tomorrow Bard. Thank you for your help!  :grin:


Title: Compendium - what is it?
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 11 August 2009, 18:19:22
To the discussion about the 'style' or more generally , what the compendium is,  I quote Judy:

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It is more than a collection of bound tomes, scholarly scrolls, and Piled-Higher-n-Deeper doctorate research papers.  Our Compendium also includes the eclectic medley of field sketchbooks, scribbled parchments, labeled birds' eggs and skulls, tattered journals, preserved body parts,  first-draft musical compositions, stuffed specimens, measurement tables engraved on brass, bits of rusting weaponry, records of cursewords, pressed plants, and if you look closely there are doubtless some dessicated welcome-cookies lying around that the last newbie couldn't finish! 
 

I thought so far, that this is not the case, but that this is an encyclopedia, where the stuff which comes in is looked through and edited, so that not everthing can go up. At least, I told that some newbies now and then. (That doesn't say nothing now about this sentence or quote in question from above.)

I took this approach from the entry about the compendium and from a discussion with Art about objectivity. Objectivity is not the problem here, but what the compendium is, so this applies here as well.

That discussion you can find in my still unfinished Divine Magic submission, here  (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12054.15.html), from reply #25 on.

So, no scribbled parchments, but 10 tomes and more coming.

But maybe that discussion would deserve an extra thread? (Art can split it up, if needed)


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 15 August 2009, 02:48:53
We don't have bloodsucking bats on Sarvonia (at the moment). There's enough folklore and out and out myths that you could probably justify at least one species that does in fact drink blood.

Changes are in Light Green.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 08 September 2009, 22:44:34
I know it has been raised before as stylistic point but:

“Look. What I’m sayin', what I’m sayin' is ye can’t call that thing a frog. It looks like a frog, smells like a frog and croaks like a damn frog, but it has teeth, why for the love of the gods does that thing have teeth!?”

What on Nybelmar has this as a colloquial accent like this? Also, depending on who you are talking about 'for the love of the gods' might be inappropiate. While the simplest thing would to amend the quote, I would have no qualms with you keeping it (and getting a blarrow) if you were to attribute it to a member of a tribe where the accent and the content fits.

Deci


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 09 September 2009, 07:36:41
Any suggestions from your end Decipher? My knowledge of Nybelmar is at times woefully inaccurate and it would be a shame to misplace such a useful delirious person.
Though I didn't mean it as a transcription of a regional accent so much as a person who's lost a fair bit of blood being somewhat incoherent in their speech.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 09 September 2009, 17:46:06
Like I said, I can't think of anything that I imagined to talk like that....if not especially the Meelaimada


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 27 September 2009, 12:19:28
I think I've fixed it up. Apparently I'll have to sacrifice some of the quote for the sake of the rest of the entry. Changes (minor though they are) in green


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Bard Judith on 28 September 2009, 14:59:32
And we thought we were so creative.... but you can't one-up Mother Nature...


"A gecko with leopard-like spots on its body and a fanged frog that eats birds are among 163 new species discovered last year in the Mekong River region of Southeast Asia, an environmental group said Friday.

WWF International said that scientists in 2008 discovered 100 plants, 28 fish, 18 reptiles, 14 amphibians, two mammals and one bird species in the region. That works out to be about three species a week and is in addition to the 1,000 new species catalogued there from 1997 to 2007, the group said.

"After millennia in hiding these species are now finally in the spotlight, and there are clearly more waiting to be discovered," said Stuart Chapman, director of the WWF Greater Mekong Program.

Researchers working for WWF warned that the effects of climate change, including an upsurge in droughts and floods, threaten the diverse habitat that supports these species. That is on top of traditional threats such as poaching, pollution and habitat destruction.

"Some species will be able to adapt to climate change, many will not, potentially resulting in massive extinctions," Chapman said in a statement. "Rare, endangered and endemic species like those newly discovered are especially vulnerable because climate change will further shrink their already restricted habitats."

Among the stars in the new list is a fanged frog in eastern Thailand. Given the scientific name Limnonectes megastomias, the frog lies in wait along streams for prey including birds and insects. Scientists believe it uses its fangs during combat with other males.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 28 September 2009, 23:21:26
I've read it in our local newspaper also, but couldn't find a notice on the net yet. I often say, that nature will aways beat us, let us be as creative as we try to be.

So don't fear to invent crazy beasts!  :grin:


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 10 October 2009, 07:03:25
Not to sound impertinent, but this has been kicking around for about two weeks in what I'll call a "FUSDO" (finished until someone decides otherwise) state. What with the update coming, I figured I might as well making getting this off my plate and on site a priority for once.


Title: Re: Baniops (Frogs O' Doom)
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 October 2009, 18:27:22
I'll put it up, Valan!  :thumbup: