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Title: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 07 January 2010, 01:05:58
The Zhunite Pantheon

High Goddess Ankriss, Mother of all Zhunite Deities


Children of Ankriss (Arranged by Age)

The Quadruplets of the Seasons (All Same Age):

Invia, Goddess of Winter, the Moon and Death

Mavera, Goddess of Spring and Birth

Therano, God of Summer, the Sun and Youth

Hotono, God of Autumn and Aging

The Five Pillars of Virtue

Oria, Goddess of Love

Taraho, God of Labour and Work

Judico, God of Justice and Honesty

Arkano, God of Knowledge and Understanding

Kataro, God of Art and Music

The Children of Activity

Sonrisa, Goddess of Food, Wine and Eating

Discurso, God of Oratory and Diplomacy

Lurias , Goddess of Lust and Excess

Aterna , Goddess of Fertility and Family

Darana, Goddess of Charity

Trebruto, God of Revenge

Hugadas, God of Gambling

Danosi ,Goddess of Mischief

Seras , God of War

Sorotos , God of Travel



Okay, basically, this is how it goes. Ankriss is the mother of the Pantheon, adopted from the Krean. Before the Krean Conquest of Zhun, they probably would just have had the Seasonal Gods 'sharing' the topspot, though with her inclusion they descend in the hierarchy.

While they are arranged by age, there is no suggestion that, for instance, a god mentioned in 'The Five Pillars of Virtue' is any more powerful in divine terms than a 'Child of Activity' (which is a name I'd actually like to change if I'm honest....its supposed to represent the role they play in ACTUAL, specific things....such as Seras' domain over war and Sorotos' domain over travelling).

What the categories do dictate, however, is a universal importance. All the Seasonal and Pillar deities, I would imagine, should have their own 'High Temples' as it were, due to their overridding importance to all Zhunites. The lower ranked Gods, such as Sonrisa, for Food, would probably be observed as a part of routine (before mealtimes etc.) but not neccesarily through grand prayers on a daily basis. However, in instances where a 'lower-ranked' deity has specific importance (such as Seras to Karakanites) then they will be celebrated accordingly.

And a further note on observance:

- Each Seasonal God has (you guessed it!) a Season, which acts as a quarter of the year where they should be worshipped somehow

- All the other gods have 'Days', though whether these are festivals/feast days/something else is determined on what they represent. A normal Zhunite may not feel happy in toasting war and bloodshed on the Day of Seras, for instance.



Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 07 January 2010, 02:14:47
Looks good! Not much to discuss here though ;)

What, if prayers before a meal are not done, would somebody fear the revenge of Sonrisa?
Will draughts be seen as a failure to worship her correctly?

Have stars no relation to the pantheon?


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 07 January 2010, 02:16:55
I had imagined weather to be in the control of whichever seasonal deity's 'turn' it was


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 07 January 2010, 02:37:32
Good work Deci! Time is very limited ( :rolleyes: ) so jotting down a few quick ideas/remarks:

1. I propose to keep this an "open-ended" pantheon - ie more deities being added with time and/or as the need arises. Maybe the pantheon has swelled as Zhunites have come into contact with more cultures and absorbed some of their gods etc into their own

2. Remember to keep a "Greek" feel to the pantheon. Should be a lot of room for mythology.  :grin:

3. A few missing ones that come to mind: Trade/Commerce; Athletics (think Apollo); Medicine (again: Apollo).

4. Lust and Mischief - male or female? (Is this a trick question?)

5. If they have a goddess of charity, they certain did not inherit that from the Krean :P - so would need to explain her origins. Maybe this could be a deity that the Krean treat with some scorn - sort of the embarrassing nephew whose existence nobody quite wishes to acknowledge ;)

6. What I need to think: What is the Krean outlook on these deities? Do the Krean accept their existence? (ie did they buy into the mythology) Or do they regard the whole thing as an amusing delusion, and let the Zhunites play with them, as one might indulge a five year old about the existence of his imaginary friend. Maybe they actively manipulated this belief system when they first colonised Zhun - rather than creating an uprising by ditching the old religion, they introduced Ankriss as the 'mother' goddess 'over' the others. Maybe over time they subtly manipulated how the other deities etc were perceived to cast the Zhunites into a world-view more beneficial to Krean interests? We need to brainstorm this later on.

7. A related, "big picture" point (not really essential for this entry): This calls to mind Koldar's comments about how Krean religion would be the third major faith of the continent after that of Aca-Santerra and Korweyn. Whilst A-S & K are rather fanatical when it comes to their religion and do not tolerate "heretics" (A-S & Murmillions actually actively persecute them), the Krean could be the exact opposite: Instead of wasting valuable resources and lives exterminating the "old religions" of the tribes they conquer/rule/trade are simply "absorbed" into the Krean system. What cannot be absorbed is left alone - a "live and let live" attitude so long as they remain good citizens and do not disrupt Krean trade/security.

So the Krean religion did not end up as one of the three main religions in Nybelmar not because they waged crusades and tried to convert all and sundry (like the other two). No, no, no. Instead, they cleverly and subtly promoted themselves as a "safe haven". Extending their influence, unifying many different peoples under their umbrella without having to raise a finger.

The Krean usually cannot be bothered to wage war on anyone one - but those Krean portals are a rather terrible thing. You never know. One minute you have an empty field, the next a hundred irritated priestesses on your doorstep. And the Krean poison industry is oh-so-very-well-established. I guess if you have a big stick, you can afford to speak softly.

Anyway, stuff for later.


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 07 January 2010, 02:40:33
Further food for though:

How were these five pillars of virtue derived?

PS: I like the names (esp 'Discurso' :P ) - except 'Judico'


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 07 January 2010, 04:03:08
Thank you Coren.

Points from me


1.

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4. Lust and Mischief - male or female? (Is this a trick question?)

Huh? What do you mean by that?

2.

 RE: Open Endedness - I left the 'Children of Activity' section purposely open ended, so that anything of importance that the Zhunites need divine representation of might be included. And while I agree with the Greco-Roman feel, I dont want it overrun with deities like classical civilisation! They'll never get developed! There are 19 mentioned only by me already!

3.

I think there would be a respect from the Krean for the Zhunite Gods, though obviously not a belief in them, similar to how in modern many atheists admire the faith of theists though cannot partake in it themselves.

4.

 I derived the 'Five Pillars' simply by thinking, as farmers and fishermen etc. long before the Krean Conquest what would have been important to the normal Zhunite. Well this at least inspired the first three at least. Kataro and Arkano (for Art/Music and Knowledge) I determined from  Zhunite pursuits, the importance of the pursuits being mirrored in the importance of the Gods that represent them. Do you not agree with them?


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 07 January 2010, 04:06:11
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4. Lust and Mischief - male or female? (Is this a trick question?)

Huh? What do you mean by that?

I think Coren meant, those aspects are generally attributed to the male persona. ^.~


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 07 January 2010, 04:11:05
The gender of those two gods, to me, is immaterial. I might have had reasons for the others though, so dont go changing them all!


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 07 January 2010, 04:23:33
Coren 4/Deci 1. Yeah, I was being cheeky  :buck: Spot on Kalina. Their gender does not really matter to me either - 'twas just a passing remark

D2: Fair enough. This entry should set out: A synopsis of what this belief system is all about (ie its main characteristics - and a "feel" for it), followed by (ideally) a paragraph each on the most important deities. The rest could simply be listed the way you do here. Instead of doing full entries on its constituents, we could approach the pantheon like writing mini-descriptions for the Mantharian map. (Sorry, I am quite tired and my eyes ache. So I am not expressing myself as lucidly as I would like to)

D3: Let's park that thought for now. This is something we can revisit. I would like to open that issue to debate once the pantheon entry is out of the way.

D4: I apologize - I was imprecise with my language: I have no objections to the way you've structured it. Merely pointing out that in the entry you would need a few lines on how those came to be the five virtues. Basically a recap of what you have just told me.



PS: Can we please all use the same numbering? That makes stuff easier to organise/sift through - sort of like Rayne's "Discussion Questions"? We could adopt that approach as "best practice" and use it in Nybelmar discussions. Phenomenal project-management there - I mean the speed with which these Ximax entries are progressing is astonishing!


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 07 January 2010, 04:50:48
Same numbering? I'm not sure I'm familiar with this system Coren :/


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 07 January 2010, 05:00:17
Also, any propositions for an alternative name that can replace 'Children of Activity'?


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 17 January 2010, 08:15:23
Same numbering? I'm not sure I'm familiar with this system Coren :/

I think that what Coren is meaning that if he poses a series of five questions for you that you give an answer to each question in the same order, and that if you don't have an answer for a particular question at that time, you just leave it blank.

eg
Questions might be

1/ What colour is his hat?

2/ Why would he live in Cusca?

3/ Has he ever been married?

4/ Any thoughts on a myth surrounding him?

5/ Did he take part in the Zhunite games?

Answers might be
1/ Red

3/ Yes

5/ Yes, but he wasn't too successful at them.

I'll get back to 2/ and 4/ later

Response might be

5/ Why wasn't he successful at the games? Any particular ones he competed in?

6/ <New Question> Does he have training in the traditional array of Cuscan instruments?

Answer

2/ It made sense to have him from there. Happy to change to another city-state if preferred.

4/ I have a myth of him going to _______

5/ Not sure yet

6/ Yeah ... all of them, just not very good

Anyway ... I think that's what Coren was meaning, Decipher :D


Title: Re: Attention! Deci's 'Proposal for the Zhunite Pantheon'!
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 17 January 2010, 18:30:23
Yes, thanks Dek!