Santharian Development

Santharian World Development => Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources => Topic started by: Bard Judith on 18 April 2012, 23:20:11



Title: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Bard Judith on 18 April 2012, 23:20:11
I am quite happy with how the Copper Lopstere turned out! My latest creation for the Santharian Dream.... a crustacean whose shell is infused with actual copper ore, which oxidizes and distresses in his saltwater habitat to create spectacular armour... which entry, please see!    Seth, the Trysters, Oysters, and Gnackers are next up.....


Please check him out on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150671184448587&set=a.59670773586.71407.517153586&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150671184448587&set=a.59670773586.71407.517153586&type=1&theater)for optimal size viewing - he should not be seen at maximum closeup as he gets too pixilated.  (Try about sixty percent, Art...)

(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s320x320/582597_10150671184448587_1022757276_n.jpg)


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Athviaro Shyu-eck-Silfayr on 19 April 2012, 00:00:03
So many pictures recently...Aura for both Judith and Seeker.


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 April 2012, 02:07:23
And yesterday I was already wondering whether I have any picture at all for this week's update... And by today I have goats, a stag, the Auturian Woods and a copper lopstere - one image more beautiful than the other... :lol:

Once again a great one, Judy, too bad I've used up my aura today already for the goat pic... But another one is coming of course! It looks really magnificent, and I wonder especially how fast you could do this one as it's not a very simple creature to say the least, but you did it all with the proper colours, textures, shadows, even with water bubbles and very water-like looking distorted background... Wow!

I also think the Facebook version size looks quite ok - doesn't really look pixilated for me. Maybe that's because Facebook reduces the size of the uploaded pic already somewhat. At any rate: Wonderful addition in an area where we sorely lack illustrations as of yet! Bravo! :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 19 April 2012, 06:11:05
Great picture again Bard. I guess I'll just have to 'like' it in Facebook. :D


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Seeker on 19 April 2012, 06:36:52
Like Art I am also amazed by the speed with which you got this one done.  It seemed like you just told us that you would think about doing some custaceans and then five minutes later here is one already done.  I love it when you are in the painting mood and all your tools are readily available to you. 

The part I love the most about the picture are the claws.  They colors and textures you used there are really cool.  well done.  I am going to attempt to give you another Aura right now but not sure if I can.  I am in a different time zone than normal.


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 19 April 2012, 11:44:22
 :thumbup:  Auried. :D

Suddenly craving surf and turf....and souvlaki.


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Bard Judith on 19 April 2012, 12:36:36
(looks slightly guilty)   Well, I did 'cheat' on this one...depending on how you define it.  Let's see if you agree, in which case I lose some of my credit and glory...not to mention all those lovely yummy aura points, but hey, maybe I get points for effort!

a) I used a reference illustration for the lob's body, so that proportions, legs, etc. are all correct.  I make no secret of it - and  have always used ref pics - but some real artists consider this 'cheating' and no more artistic than tracing or colour-by-number.   The original was an old engraving, which I found somehow appropriate.

b) I use various Photoshop brushes, stamps, textures, etc. to help create the effects I want.  For example, I don't 'handdraw' every leaf or blade of grass - I use a brush tool with a scatter effect and a colour variation.  Of course, it does take some skill to make it look convincing, and then to hand-dodge or burn the result for depth.  In the case of backgrounds, I often use simple 3-D modeling programs (and their stone, brick, etc. textures) which then still require hand detailing.   The lobster's great shell colouration is materially assisted by a distressed copper texture, for example.  In the case of this picture, it took five separate layers of textures, all combined beneath the body overlay, trimmed meticulously and then shaded by hand.

c)  For the water background, I found a wonderful Photoshop tutorial that walked me through the steps of creating certain effects.   Of course, I still had to do all the work, tweak some of the settings they suggested, and so on... a chance to stretch my ability with the program and learn some new techniques!  Apparently this is exactly what all these filters, settings, and auto-renders are FOR. 

d)  The bubbles, which are, I must say, pretty convincing, are all my own.  Made the original bubbles, created a stamp from them, set the transparency, scattered them at appropriate sizes, etc. 

So....what do you think?  Is this legitimate art, taking up three non-stop hours of my time and a constant grip on the digital stylus, deserving of laudation?   Or is it colour-by-numbers and break the canvas over my head?  :D


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 19 April 2012, 12:55:45
It is more than legitimate, Judith ... and if anyone disagrees with me, they can talk to Tharoc about it!

Oh, and I was eventually able to give you another aura for this painting :)


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 April 2012, 15:22:33
*haha* As you can see it takes much more than just a reference to create a true piece of art, which some Photoshop dabblers haven't managed to grasp yet. :)

Of course first you need the talent, also inspiration and a good eye. And then the means of course, and the experience to use them. And once you've gained all the expertise you need - which takes months, even years to actually acquire - there will be a point where you can work very efficiently and produce a masterwork in its own right pretty quickly. But all that is a long process, and we're happy that you've got there already, Judy... ;)  :thumbup:


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Seeker on 19 April 2012, 17:38:04
Judy I use similar techniques and struggle with the same questions.  I judge by the recognition rule.  If someone can look at my work and say that it is obviously copied from such and such, then it is a bit embarrassing.  So I try to make sure the reference work doesn,t shine too brightly in the end result.  However there are a couple of pictures I have up on the site that every time i look at them I think to myself that they look too much like the reference and I dont like that.  But that is just motivation for me to put more creativity in the next one. 

I would hold myself to a more strict standard if I ever wanted to sell something.  I would be extra careful.  Now I am going to give you the Aura that I couldnt earlier.


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 19 April 2012, 20:54:43
I was one that thought that, until I tried to do it myself.  I can't come close to making it look good, or something not resembling a ref pic that was simply altered.  Yours look great, they look Santhed, and I'm jealous of your artistic ability. :thumbup: :D


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Bard Judith on 19 April 2012, 22:34:25
(looks rather moistly-eyed around)  Thank you, guys.  These comments mean even more than the accompanying aura.  I thrive on affirmation and am running on scant fumes in RL, so this is much appreciated.

(stifles a sniffle and picks up her stylus again)  Next up....molluscs!


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 20 April 2012, 17:31:21
Lovely picture!


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Rayne (Alýr) on 21 April 2012, 05:39:25
I agree with Seeker: if there is a close resemblance to the source, than it is a bit embarrassing (as a side-note, this also pertains in regards to legality: things like copyright infringements and plagiarizing. If someone can identify the source image/work, then there may be an issue).

If you just want to use the general form of something, I would suggest hopping over to Illustrator; if you have it trace an image, you can usually depart a good deal from the original while keeping the basics you want, like the outline. If you flatten transparency, you can just take the line, allowing you to use it as its own layer in Photoshop, if you prefer.

It does look fantastic! I should really migrate over to Photoshop and play around. It's been a while since I got to use it for anything fun!


Title: I have nothing to hide...
Post by: Bard Judith on 22 April 2012, 00:04:14
...so here's the source.

 Since it's from Wikimedia Commons, a freely licensed image repository, copyright infringements do not apply.  

  The form/outline is indeed the same; however, I do my own 'tracing' so that I can alter on the go in terms of positioning, widths, foreshortenings, etc.  I'll leave it up to my peers as to whether this is a valid use of sources and if originality has suffered in the process.  

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Lobster_(PSF).png

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Lobster_%28PSF%29.png/320px-Lobster_%28PSF%29.png)


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 22 April 2012, 03:22:40
What a stroke of luck! I was around when the original entry was in progress, and now, months (if not years) later, here I am again when the accompanying picture gets its debut!

A beautiful rendition, Judy. Just as I had imagined it to be (although I did expect to see a few "sparkles, but then I know how difficult it is to represent them).
In my opinion, it is sufficiently different from the original to cause no eyebrows to be raised. Besides, how many different ways can you draw a lobster?

One teensy-weensy little point to ponder.......Don't lobsters, as a rule, live on the seabed? I mean, I imagine they're capable of some sort of open water propulsion, but they're not noted for their streamlined, aquadynamic profile.

Unless this one's just been chucked back in from a fishing boat.

An Aura+ from me.


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Seeker on 22 April 2012, 09:50:14
I think it is fine.  You put alot of work to make it your own.  But to avoid the question in future works keep in mind it is easy to change small things.  In this picture it would have been easy to change the position of claws or the flow/position of the antanae.  (I give this advice but readily admit I don't always follow it myself)   :undecided:


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 22 April 2012, 15:57:00
Quote
One teensy-weensy little point to ponder.......Don't lobsters, as a rule, live on the seabed? I mean, I imagine they're capable of some sort of open water propulsion, but they're not noted for their streamlined, aquadynamic profile.

Tharoc, I think you could it see not as a Lopstere right in its natural environement dumpling somewhere in the sand half hidden with others around also, but as a Santharian  artists depiction of this animal who wants to show his audience how exactly it looks like. It is more like the god of all  lopsteres, as perfect and beautiful as a lopstere can be. Though it is not one of her beasts, I could imagine it on a mural of a Baveras' temple, as a picture in the Great library etc..


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 24 April 2012, 06:09:04
I agree, Ta'lia. I was merely trying to play 'Devils Advocate' with Judy  ;)


Title: Re: The Copper Lopstere
Post by: seth ghibta on 24 April 2012, 07:08:59
can't believe I've just got round to looking at this! it's gorgeous, Judith, well done!