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Santharian World Development => Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources => Topic started by: Seeker on 13 June 2012, 12:38:33



Title: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Seeker on 13 June 2012, 12:38:33
How does one get this close to a Mountain Troll (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,15280.0.html) and live to paint him?

Answer:  Bring along a slow friend.  Anyone seen Shabby lately?

Comments Welcome


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Kelancey the Green on 13 June 2012, 17:34:04
WOW! Anatomically, painstakingly meticulous image you've captured, Seeker!  I really tried to be critical, but I can't come up with any constructive criticism.  Well done, sir, well done!


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Cruciform on 13 June 2012, 18:01:25
I'm liking this. It's wonderful. But this:

*The upper arm that is closest to us looks like it's oriented too far down to connect to the elbow off-picture. I can see that his shoulder isn't shown fully on-pic, but I'm taking this "criticism" from the orientation of the veins. They look like they're pointed down, but the elbow looks like it'd be just too far back.

*Those fingernails are creepy. Please make me less scared of them. :p

*The artist appears to have put a lot of effort into making those trees look like they fade into the distance. I.e. some of the further branches are lost in the fog. It gives the image a slight 3D effect. Even the troll's lip looks well-rounded and not just flat. But the tusk loses definition the further it goes up. Perhaps some darkening on one side of its point might make it look rounder?
Again, it's really just the top of the tusk, once it begins overlapping skin. Its base looks great.

*Second last thing: the troll's right hand (kind of pointing at us)? I can't see how it connects to his arm. The big limb bit on the other side of his arm looks too thick. I just can't make that out properly.

*Aaand, last but certainly not least, HOLY CRAP HIS NECK LOOKS AMAZING. I just noticed how well done that neck is. It is VERY well-defined.

Good stuff, altogether. Just a few things I thought I should point out.


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 13 June 2012, 19:02:48
why not Sordoc the Great instead of Shabby? He'd be trying to get closer to the troll, not away from it.


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Vesk Lyricahl on 13 June 2012, 21:14:48
He's beautiful!


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 13 June 2012, 22:38:20
Awesome!
*Those fingernails are creepy. Please make me less scared of them. :p

Imagine what his toe nails must look like! These things have some serious claws, which brings me to my only criticism: wouldn't a troll have less prominent finger nails since he uses his hands for most tasks (grabbing, punching, clawing, climbing mountain rocks etc). Makes sense that finger/toe nails would be more rough, short, jagged as opposed to what amounts to finger swords.

Also! To give a sense of scale for the size of the troll, perhaps add a skeleton of a horse or some orcen skulls around the troll as if he just finished a meal. By looking at the pic, its hard to get a sense of size.


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 14 June 2012, 00:47:43
Excellent picture, Seeker, and of course aura +1! Could use a size reference as has been pointed out, but other than that this one's a very effective troll portrait! But it's definitely a guy one wouldn't like to meet - he'd break you in two like a toothpick, I'm sure. However, seen posted in a relatively safe Forum environment it's the perfect picture to look at... :biggrin:

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Bring along a slow friend.
:lol: :rolling: :rofl:

As for Shabakuk: I've read a post somewhere on the RPG Board that he's quite busy at the moment with a lot of job related stuff which got him pretty swamped. So I don't know when he can make it back to the Dev Board again. He also still needs to test Chapter 5 of the Shoals. Maybe he got eaten by something or drowned in the Burning Sea...


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Vesk Lyricahl on 14 June 2012, 02:56:35
Awesome!
Imagine what his toe nails must look like! These things have some serious claws, which brings me to my only criticism: wouldn't a troll have less prominent finger nails since he uses his hands for most tasks (grabbing, punching, clawing, climbing mountain rocks etc). Makes sense that finger/toe nails would be more rough, short, jagged as opposed to what amounts to finger swords.

That's more a criticism of my design than his execution of it.

So...

The claws are meant to be fairly short when held in comparison to the troll's overall size (3-6 inch claws on a 12 ft brute). The claws on this guy might be a little long, but I'm not entirely sure without a better idea of size in the picture.

As to rough, jagged, or even cracked: troll claws are meant to be made of pretty hard stuff. Trolls use their claws on each other (when mating, mostly...), so they have to be nearly indestructible to stand up to a troll hide.

And trolls don't have claws for toe nails. Just toe nails. :D


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Cruciform on 14 June 2012, 18:33:21
That's more a criticism of my design than his execution of it.

So...

The claws are meant to be fairly short when held in comparison to the troll's overall size (3-6 inch claws on a 12 ft brute). The claws on this guy might be a little long, but I'm not entirely sure without a better idea of size in the picture.

As to rough, jagged, or even cracked: troll claws are meant to be made of pretty hard stuff. Trolls use their claws on each other (when mating, mostly...), so they have to be nearly indestructible to stand up to a troll hide.

And trolls don't have claws for toe nails. Just toe nails. :D
That statement gives an excellent idea of how coarse their hair must be (given that nails and hair are slightly different versions of the same keratin compound in humans), so that adds a whole new aspect to the accuracy of this image. The hair looks pretty coarse and straggly. I like that about the beard.


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Seeker on 01 July 2012, 12:31:17
OK here is the update.  i had difficulty with one of Cruciform's suggestions but i think it generally turned out Ok.  I also added a necklace.  The bone at the base of the necklace is actually the cows horn.   


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 01 July 2012, 18:05:07
Hi Seeker!

Can't decide, if this fellow is friendly or not so friendly..

Two things which sprang to my mind:
- This is a troll, so it might be ok, but if trolls would have a human anatomy, the ear is far to near to the check.
- The background looks a bit flat at the first look, I would give it some more depth, a hint of something in the distance.

No, it is not a nice guy, I think I don't want to meet him ;)


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Kelancey the Green on 01 July 2012, 22:19:37
Well done, sir, well done!  Good show, eh, wot?  :grin:

Seriously, Seeker, I think you've done a good job incorporating all the previous suggestions.  You give the bull's skull to give perspective as to size of the troll.  You have some hazing of the tree limbs behind him to suggest distance/fading into the mountain fog.  Once again, I am at a loss to come up with any constructive criticism.  Great work!   :clap2:  :clap:


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 03 July 2012, 03:57:28
Great additions, Seeker, looks very cool now! :thumbup:

Wouldn't worry that much about the ear being too close to the cheek - after all it is a troll, with strange proportions, so there might be the one or the other ear off (or both ideally :lol:).

Love it! Now where is Vesk to finish his entry?


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 10 July 2012, 05:12:48
At four peds high (that's 12 feet to us non-metric Americans), I would think that skull would be a tad smaller. I know the troll is sitting down, but the skull size leads me to believe the troll is perhaps 6 or 7 feet, not 12 feet. Unless that's a really huge skull.


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 13 July 2012, 23:18:44
@Seeker: Any further adjustments on this one so we can finish it? The way I see it it shouldn't be anything major to get it done, and we could use it already in the Caaehl Mountains entry where these guys live. So if you can get final details on this one done during the weekend I'd love to get it in already :D


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Seeker on 14 July 2012, 06:17:13
Unfortunately I am walking out the door and will be away from my drawing utensils for two weeks.  I can adjust when I return if it is necessary.   


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 14 July 2012, 15:15:49
Personally I think there were only minor points raised, so it could as well go up as far as I'm concerned. Trolls just have their very own proportions, so they can have huge skulls or ears where trolls grow it. Or it's a slightly deformed troll... :lol: And as for background: Well, it's not very visible anyway at the small version, so I wouldn't see that as a major issue. After all there is background which helps to indicate the troll's size with the rock and the trees etc.

I'd say we can as well take it now, and if you decide to do minor adjustment later, I can still replace it. :)


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Vesk Lyricahl on 16 July 2012, 10:46:00
The Caehl Mountain entry is not an accurate place to put the picture. The recent troll discussion led to the decision that the Kloighut will live solely in the Troll Mountains. The Caehl entry currently mentions the Kloighut, but Azhira was fine with replacing them with the Marghoghut.

@The picture itself: I want to comment on the necklace. Shamans wear a necklace made from the tusks of the quaerash lizards (http://santharia.com/bestiary/quaerash_lizard.htm). Do we want to call this a shaman and call those quaerash tusks around his neck?


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 17 July 2012, 01:21:16
The Caehl Mountain entry is not an accurate place to put the picture. The recent troll discussion led to the decision that the Kloighut will live solely in the Troll Mountains. The Caehl entry currently mentions the Kloighut, but Azhira was fine with replacing them with the Marghoghut.

Right. The Caaehl entry needs revised with the new troll clan. Will have that bumped back up and done asap.


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 July 2012, 03:23:16
I only wanted to make check if you're still there, Vesk, and give you a push to finish your entry...  :rolleyes:  :grin:

Anyway, yeah, we will eventually change this on the site, ideally once the troll entry is up. And he can be a shaman with quaerash tusks around his neck, why not? I'm all for it! That way we can use the picture in the quaerash entry as well, even better!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Vesk Lyricahl on 18 July 2012, 01:22:13
The Kloighut entry has been finished for nearly a month now.

It's posted in full in the Tribes forum with the ! posticon, and I commented on the thread to say that it was finished. I just haven't been jumping up and down for comments, since there's no rush.

The only attempted Kloighut character on the RPG board to date was a mountain troll assassin.  :buck:

(Not that the dev board creates *for* the RPG board... but it's interesting to see how our creations are used. Maybe a Kloighut sneaking around *would* make for an awesome assassin...)


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 18 July 2012, 02:40:55
Hmmm... Looks like there was a communication problem, Vesk. I asked how things were progressing and the reply indicated for me that it still might take a bit to get it finished, so I waited for you to say that you're ready for comments... Otherwise I'd have checked the entry earlier for sure! ;) So expect a closer inspection pretty soon!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Vesk Lyricahl on 18 July 2012, 10:54:44
My wording can be unclear at times. My apologies for that.


Title: Re: Mountain Troll Picture
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 20 July 2012, 19:09:17
How does one get this close to a Mountain Troll (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,15280.0.html) and live to paint him?

Answer:  Bring along a slow friend.  Anyone seen Shabby lately?

*Shabakuk crawls back to the Dev Board. His clothes are in tatters, his skin is brittle as lava, and his moustache, his erstwhile pride and joy, is drooping from his upper lip like a wet puppy hung out to dry on the washing line. A few weeks ago, Seeker had asked Shabakuk to accompany him on a trip to the Troll Mountains. Always eager to do his colleagues a favour when he can, Shabakuk gladly obliged. Consequently, he spent the next month captive in a troll cave, used as a living radiator.

Attentive compendiumists may hear a hoarse whisper on the landing close to Shabakuk's study.*

"I'll get you, you sneaky paint splasher. I'll get you.*