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Title: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Seagazer on 02 November 2015, 06:47:38
Hey all!

I'm a relative debutante to the Dream, but I've been a lurker for far longer than I've posted. The slowdown in development recently has sparked me to start to actually do something to help out. Before we jump into emailing everyone, I think it is worth asking a few simple questions:

Why has the Dream slowed down?
Are the reasons personal feuds between members of the project? (I hope not)
Are the reasons technical?
Are the reasons internal to the project? Do people wish there were more empty spaces to develop? Do they want someone to develop with?

Before we hear the ever-present answer that real life has intruded, I doubt that real life has grown in importance over the past several years for all members. Perhaps the dream is just aging as a project and fewer people with lots of free time are participating.

As I said earlier, I'm just a beginner so, I really would be interested in hearing your answers. Please feel free to just write how ever much you want to. I just want to know what the general vibe is on this.

Thanks,
Seagazer


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 03 November 2015, 04:25:27
Hello there, Seagazer! Nice to hear from you again! :wave:

Well, to answer your questions - I've mentioned these things a couple of times already, but here we go again. There a multiple reasons:

- There is an undeniable technical problem for one thing. Which is the search engine issue. Even if newcomers show up and many of them disappear again, the fact that they usually generate traffic and interest in the site, is now gone. It's practically impossible to find the site on Google nowadays. For one you'd need to put a lot of effort into search engine optimization in general, and second, frame pages like Santharia (with a fixed menu to the left, fixed top section etc.) are considered "old school" by search engines. That's because they aren't really compatible with newer technology like phones and iPads etc., so they get ranker lower. However, changing a 3000+ pages site to another format isn't easily done. And I have no idea how and time/interest to do it.

- Second, the members' interest has dwindled over time, and people weren't commenting on other people's entries anymore. Nobody really wanted to take responsibility. In a spare time project that is understandable, because the more pressure/stress you have in a project the more you're likely to neglect your "duties", even if they're only self-assigned.

- Key members who wrote many entries or drew pictures, commented on other people's work like Judy, Rayne, Talia, Seeker etc. more and more withdrew over time. So if people who can guide others (because of their experience, dedication and enthusiasm) don't profess their experience, dedication and enthusiasm, there's little to get enthusiastic about...

- Personally I'm not here to mainly maintain other people's work (comment on them, prepare the entries, do most of the administrative/organisational work, try to find artists who allow us use their works, pay the bills etc.) I've done that for more than 15 years practically non-stop. I'm more interested doing something with my own creativity and while I've done lots of very different work (write entries, draw maps, code Santhworld, write stories and so on) the fact that people relied too much on me to keep things going made a continuation practically impossible. Especially as I have a fulltime job, and what I do here is just "a hobby".

Members would need to administer the site themselves to a great degree, take responsibility into their own hands. Manage Forum sections, write to artists if we can use their works etc. However, in a spare time project it may happen easily that real life interferes. It's great to see you taking initiative, Seagazer, and a couple of people showing up as a result, posting entries and commenting etc. We haven't seen that in a long time. The question is, whether the activity is sustainable.

- Members need to be perfectly clear that it is "our project" in every sense. I've written somewhere in the FAQs to answer the question "Where do you gain the energy to work on this gigantic project?" - "From you." Stopping updates is a reflection on lack of activity. And I don't see it as my personal duty to try to keep the project going, because it isn't "my" project, but "ours".

- All these issues are interconnected of course, that's an additional problem. Getting a couple of members back working for example won't help in the long run if we cannot manage to keep a consistent influx on new members going etc.

These are my 2 sans at least :)


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Seagazer on 03 November 2015, 08:55:30
Okay great.

You're absolutely right that I can't single-handedly push forward a project of this magnitude with any sustainability for even a few weeks. I'm no Artimidor!

I'll look into the technical side of things. I'll see if there's some nice way to scrape all the articles and put them into another form. Just to mention something really simple, all future entries could be done in Markdown and then converted into HTML at run-time à la Wikipedia. Of course, converting all the entries over would be a gargantuan task. Hopefully, they'll prove to be some way of doing that in a systematic way. Also, maybe a reassessing of the forum as method of developing entries might be in order.

I'll look into some things and report back soon.

Of course if nothing else works, I can prepare all the future entries if that makes your life any easier.

Again thanks.

Seagazer


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 03 November 2015, 17:11:58
Seagazer, I'm sorry you are working fairly alone here, that is really a pitty. I wished I had known you while I have been active.

There are many reasons why the Dream is slowing down, but one is surely that Artimdor misses often/sometimes .. is sensitiveness the word, or empathy? I don't think he does it on purpose.

Example? Shabakuk is coming back after a long time. The email notification lures me to the thread. And Coren too I supose.

Whom does he greet? Just Shaba, for Coren and I had quarrels with him in the past. Not a single "Hey, Talia, Coren, nice to see you too.." or something like this. Why should I spend my time on a site, where I'm not welcome? I miss Shaba, Coren, Altario and many others very much, but not so much that I will risk again getting hurt. I'm sorry.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 03 November 2015, 18:27:41
I can't help it if you take everything I post (or not post) personally, Talia. I recommend not to do that, because you're likely to misinterpret things. I took the time to answer the key question here, because it is the issue at hand and is of importance for everyone I think. And I congratulated Shabakuk on a great event in his life, which I thought is due in these circumstances. And that's all.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 04 November 2015, 01:38:32
Hah, well, Talia, it appears that a garden of Lavender has not softened those jagged edges of yours. :hug:

**Eyes soapbox with trepidation.  Do I still know how to do a soapbox rant?  It has been so long.  More, can I still get up on one?  I'm not as young as I used to be.**

**Climbs up on rickety soapbox**

A bunch of us together again, and sadly it starts out with hurt feelings.  Not how I hoped it would be.  I had hoped for laughter, and hugs, and music.  Perhaps a couple of semi dressed dancing nymphs.  But that just might be me.

Arti, should you have given a shout out to old faces?  Probably.

Talia, should you feel insulted that he did not?  Probably not.

Come on guys, we are family.  Seeing you guys here feels like home.  It's comfortable.  It's run around in my underwear comfortable.  We don't need big shows of cordiality between us.  We just are.  I've been here almost nine years, you guys even longer.  If the implied, "I'm really glad you are here" doesn't exist, it never will.

Arti, I'm glad you are here.  This site is my second home.  You're like a dad around here.  Speaking of which, can I borrow the car Saturday night?  I have a date with Val.

Talia, I miss you.  No one shreds my work the way you do.  I want to learn more about the Shendar and your help with the north.  Mostly, I need my Nemesis.

Coren, I miss your large (huge, grand, ambitious) works.

Val, I miss... no, this is still a PG site, so I can't say aloud what I miss about you.

Shabby, I miss your great sense of humour, your intelligence and great writing style.

And to those of you I don't know well enough to have missed to this point, I look forward to getting to that place where I will miss you.

You know, up on this soapbox after all these years, I only have one last thing to say.

Hey, you kids, get off my darn lawn!  **Shakes fist**

**climbs off soapbox**


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Seagazer on 04 November 2015, 04:21:25
Looking over it, I don't think they'll be an easy way to convert the current project into a more mobile friendly format. There could be a big effort to convert it, but I don't know how much there is worth there.

Also, I guess there are personal schisms among the "leaders" of the project. I'll leave you guys to that.

Thanks for a wonderful project.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Val O´Neil on 04 November 2015, 14:19:25
Well... I wrote a couple long winded posts to share my thoughts. But instead I think I'll just look around for areas to perform CPR on.

*turns and shuffles off, a swarm of butterflies trailing behind her as she scribbles furiously in a tiny notebook.*


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 05 November 2015, 04:25:27
@Val: Ah, I must have happened to read one of those long winded posts in the morning, Val, as now you've substituted it with this shorter one... Anyway, I get your point - and great to see you get to work and help someone else out with commenting! Very much appreciated!  :thumbup:

@Alt: Well, it's true that I tend to take members for granted and as pieces of Santharian inventory. Like others tend to take me for something like the Santharian spirit that is ever present on the Forum and can be summoned in a jiffy. Thus I don't necessarily make great welcome gestures, after all many of us feel pretty much at home here. Especially as my presence here might be fleeting, so I mainly came here to answer questions. (See answers above, this all still applies.)

@Seagazer: The mobile friendly thing is very complicated, difficult to realize and even if the site is in a way made mobile friendly it is not guaranteed that the search engines pick up on that properly. Which is the key thing here. For this generates more traffic, more interest, more works, comments etc. I'm no expert, so I don't know if there might be other ways to improve search engine ranking with a frame page. At least the front page is not a frame page, so there could be some serious optimization possible there - if one knows the trade... Unfortunately this has turned into quite a science, so I don't know what is all required there nowadays. At least only Google is left, so it's basically a Google optimization that would be necessary. But yeah, I don't know anyone who could help out there.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Val O´Neil on 05 November 2015, 13:03:33
Hm... I would like to note that I'm on the site via my cellphone today without any wifi, and the last couple days I've been accessing it via an iPad. I haven't had any trouble navigating any part of the site on my phone, even doing HTML codes in posts on the iPad was- a little tedious at first- but ultimately rather easy.

This brings forward a thought. Could an app be made?

I think this is worth looking into, which I will start doing. I'll post about it again when I've learned more about apps and what it takes to make one.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 05 November 2015, 15:54:13
Good to see some brainstorming there, Val :) But it's all definitely not easy.

Well, it's of course not impossible to view the site on, say, an iPad. Though the menu structure which is currently fixed (that's how frame pages are designed) and takes away space makes it difficult to navigate. And on a mobile phone navigating the site becomes quite hazardous. Well, maybe the supersize iPads that are in the works turn out to be a hit and the problem solves itself and mobile surfers are happy with the current menu structure... :D Well, I doubt that however, because mobile devices need to be handy, so smaller sizes are preferable. It might be that larger iPads once substitute desktop PCs and notebooks however.

Anyway. I fear we won't get that far with an app in general. :/ Because the main issue is to be found via the search engines (regardless how you view the site) - that's primarily why the site would need to be mobile friendly. An app doesn't solve that problem, it would (maybe) only make the site more user friendly. Aside from that apps definitely aren't that easy to make, so we'd need coders and ideas what exactly we want to have it look like and how it's different from the site. Lots of question marks and no easy answers. And if the app would basically display webpages with a different menu structure, then it's more or less a page re-design, which could be done with regular means as well. So yeah, unless we have a sort of an epiphany, this is all very tough to accomplish.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Mina on 05 November 2015, 22:16:55
I think I got a little burned out after rushing to get the Volkek-oshra language finished before the end of last year.  I was going to get to work on Xaramon right after, but just couldn't get motivated.  And with things slowing down on the site, I started visiting less, I guess.   :(


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 07 November 2015, 06:17:54
Thanks to Seagazer for lighting the spark that got half a dozen old scribblers back to the compendium's halls. Nice to see Altario's soap box is still intact, nice to hear that love for the site and memories of each other are still alive. I'll hang around for a bit and see where this takes me.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 12 November 2015, 04:40:33
I don't have a solution to the recruitment problem, I'm afraid.  :undecided:
 
When I thought about hanging around in Santharia once again, one question came to mind. It's for Artimidor Federkiel:

Arti, are you still interested in maintaining the site at all, preparing entries and announcing updates, etc.? I think it would be great if you were! Even if current activity is modest in quantity, it can still be fun and high in quality! But I thought I'd ask. I'd understand if you felt like packing it in, although I hope you don't and won't. Looks like you've been keeping your own Santharian writing up - with that Duel story for example - so I hope there's still something in this project for you?


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 12 November 2015, 05:43:01
I will update the site if there's enough stuff to put up, Shabby. But basically at the moment the members have to make sure there is enough themselves, because I have limited time resources. And of course I don't know if people will stick around and be able to manage the site together by writing entries and commenting on each other's work. But I'm there and will prepare site updates, yup, don't worry.

Personally I keep my own Santharian writing up as well, yes. If there are creative ideas I need to get out of my system, I'll write that story or realize the idea, whatever it is. Like "The Duel" recently. My life's work is "The Ring" however, where I'm constantly revising/linking the Chapters I-IV in various ways. I also gather inspiration for Chapter V which slowly is forming in my mind. That poetical novel is the most challenging work I've ever done and is meant to be written over a lifetime, so I won't let go of that one for a while methinks.  :grin:


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Ankhi Doomhand on 13 November 2015, 13:22:41
I think we're all approaching this question wrong. Rather than make the site easier to access on Google, why not go for an easier approach and try making the site easy to find through social media. Building a good website is hard, totally restructuring an old one without losing data is harder. On the other hand, constructing an easy-to-read, attractive looking Facebook page is incredibly simple.

I suggest that we reconstruct the Santharian Facebook from little more than a showcase for our art to an active advertising effort. This means members need to spread it as far as possible as quickly as possible.

It also means we need something to advertise. We have a lot of stuff here, but we can't advertise already written work. What we can advertise is empty space. We need to be able to say to potential developers not, "Look at all this cool stuff we've done," but rather, "Look at all this cool stuff YOU could be doing."

To this end I'd advise something like opening up a new continent or the like: we do have three continents with exactly 0 development after all. Of course, we'd write the framework for this new development space as a massive group project. I wouldn't dream of loading it all onto one person.

Any thoughts?


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 14 November 2015, 17:38:12
Hello Ankhi! Nice to see more people chipping in :)

Regarding the social network idea: I'm not sure if it will be easier or more effective. After all I've started a Facebook page already and at least did a couple of updates. And invited people to share it, with negligible results. The basic idea would have been anyway that someone other than me takes responsibility for the Santharian Facebook presence, ideally a Facebook promotion team that tries to come up with all kinds of stuff to sustain such a presence. Be it with announcing site updates, gallery updates, quizzes, fantasy related discussion based on news (e.g. new fantasy film out etc.) If everything falls back on me (and the social media presence is one of those things), this is a recipe for disaster, because it only contributes to the fact that I'm quickly burning out. So yes, if there are people around that would like to take over with managing a Santharian Facebook presence (or any other kind of social media for that matter), be my guest. I'm all for spreading responsibility.

Concerning continent development: The thing is that we intentionally kept development of other continents back, because people would come in and develop their own ideas somewhere in the middle of nowhere without relation to the rest of Caelereth/Santharia whatsoever. So there would need to be a framework. Well, as you can see Val is now finishing her masterwork with the Mapping and Overview of Cyhalloi (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,15033.msg199099/), so based on that outline it would be possible to allow new members to contribute. I wouldn't recommend to open up all continents though with an "Anything goes" attitude, because it would lead to very disjointed development. There's also a lot that could be done in areas that have a rough outline/history already, but where many tiny details like lore, stories etc. would be needed (and a Santharian province is as vast a whole continent elsewhere!). This worked pretty well with the Manthrian map (http://www.santharia.com/maps/provinces/manthria/manthria_map_coloured.htm) I once made and people helped writing entries for lots of stuff that was visible on the map but without background history. Seagazer's latest works are also still Places entries in that Manthrian region. In the meantime we have added another huge map, the Map of Vardınn (http://www.santharia.com/maps/provinces/vardynn/vardynn_map_coloured.htm) and there's a lot on it that needs to be "discovered" in entry form which allows a lot of creativity for anyone willing to help to make these Santharian provinces unique and fascinating. So as far as I see it, the framework (map, tribes, rough history) is there for that region, and there's still enough room for own ideas to realize in that context.

So on the one hand we have Cyhalloi that could be opened (as far as I'm concerned), providing however there'd be someone who tries to manage the development of that region as best as he/she can (Val? and/or other people that volunteer as a Cyhalloian task force). On the other hand we have detailed maps and outlines for Santharian provinces (Manthria/Vardınn). So these are some options I would suggest considering.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 15 November 2015, 02:16:45
How about a group project with a theme? We could select a region (I propose Vardynn or Cyhalloi) and then designate 5 entries as essential reading. Each person then writes a short entry which incorporates the five "base" entries in some way. Then for the next round, we each write a short entry which is based on the entries from Round 1.

I think this might be a fun way to revive our team spirit. The limitations would both spur creativity and give people an incentive to read/comment on other people's work.

What do you think guys?


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Seagazer on 15 November 2015, 11:24:18
Coren, sounds like an awesome idea. I like the idea of Vardınn, but Cyhalloi might be a good second option once Val gets done with the outline of the continent.

Would you like to decide the "essential readings" or would that been done collectively? I'm happy to delegate the picking to you, and I'm happy to help and write an entry or two.

Also, Artimidor's concerns about burn-out are really important. Human beings can't just run a site of this magnitude alone for any real length of time. You're very valuable, we wouldn't want to lose you.  :evil:


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 15 November 2015, 13:19:39
Love it.  I vote for Vardynn.  :D  Because that is my newfound area of interest for reasons obvious on the RP Side.  This in large part because of Arti's amazing map.  Kudos Art.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Val O´Neil on 15 November 2015, 13:31:41
I'm pretty much done with Cyhalloi's outline and would love it if it turned into a group project from here. There is quite a number of things in the outline that have no entry, and I would be happy to provide a categorized list..

If I could get permission, I would love to rewrite the Kasumarii-men tribe.

I should have Cyhalloi wrapped up in a few days, but between now and then would love any comments or suggestions anyone might have for the Orcs I've written up there- as I am not very good when it comes to them.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 16 November 2015, 04:59:10
@Seagazer: Hey, I'm just here for the canapes!  :D Seriously, I don't know enough about Vardynn or Cyhalloi (how on earth do you pronounce that?) to pick the five entries myself.

Let's have a show of hands. Who'd be interested in a project like this? Do you want Vardynn or Cyhalloi?

Seagazer, maybe you could run point on this project and put up a poll?


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 16 November 2015, 07:45:19
As an added argument, I would think a Team Effort should focus on the Continent of Sarvonia, as this is the heart of the site at the moment.  The other continents are "extras" that until recently (in Development terms, not chronological because we all wander away, then return) were, if not restricted, at least discouraged from development.  This was to force the majority of work to be concentrated on the central areas.

Just my two sans.

And, Val, obviously this is aimed at the Team Project, not your work individually on Cyhalloi.  :)  I would have the same argument with having a Team Project centered on the Icelands, even though that is my neck of the woods.



Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Mina on 16 November 2015, 17:37:52
This talking of focusing on Sarvonia makes me feel so guilty about my slowness on Xaramon now.  And I just realised that it's really quite similar to the problems I had with the Volkek-oshra language.  I'd have bursts of activity after not touching it for months or sometimes years, during which I'd often realise that I wasn't satisfied with what I'd done previously and try to re-do most of it, which was why there was more than 10 years between me claiming the language and actually producing the entry.   :buck:

I was involved with Rayne's Vardynn masterplan a couple of years back so I'm leaning slightly towards Vardynn over Cyhalloi.  But I also want to avoid smothering interest in other regions with the idea that Sarvonia should have priority.  I think it's probably best to let people work on what interests them most, especially given the current lack of activity. 

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If I could get permission, I would love to rewrite the Kasumarii-men tribe.
That would be nice.  I'm not sure if anyone currently has a claim on them, but I think Fox once did, so maybe you could check with her.  That was a very long time ago though, and I think she's on the RPG board much more than the dev board these days. 


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Seagazer on 17 November 2015, 01:04:22
Mina, I think feeling guilty doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Contributing to Caelereth should be fun, not a burden. Feel guilty about feeling gulity! ;)

We'll see, though I'm leaning towards Vardınn myself. It seems so incredibly medieval as opposed to the more early modern feeling of Manthria and elsewhere.

Though I worry, Mina, that the reason that people aren't contributing isn't for lack of freedom but because of it. It's difficult to find a place to start doing something if it's just one big, blank map.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 November 2015, 03:38:25
If we choose an area for a group project, then I'd also say Vardınn, so that's what I've voted. Not because Val's work on Cyhalloi isn't appreciated, but because it's tougher to work on a still very undeveloped whole continent (even though we now get a decent outline!) than to contribute at an area where there exists already a lot of stuff in various areas (tribes enrties, history, stories, lore, very specific beasts, detailed map etc.)

If you look e.g. at the Places entries we have for Manthria you'll see that we've got over 50 (!) in this area alone, many of them inspired by the map. Also various drawings were added to provide the look and feel. Just have a look at the Manthrian Overview (http://www.santharia.com/places/manthria.htm) which is quite a jewel on the site I'd say - it really shows off what it means to focus on an area. And these are only the Places entries.

Vardınn could be a similar project methinks based on these experiences. There's some cool stuff there already (see the Vardınn Overview (http://www.santharia.com/places/vardynn.htm) for comparison), but key entries like Voldar are still 15 years old and outdated.

In my point of view it's easier to add to existing regions than to go to still very new areas. Which doesn't mean that people shouldn't develop something in other areas. If the interest is there, why not? But Vardınn is also the heartland of Santharia, and Santharia is the heart of the site, so that's why I made the map in the first place and it would make sense e.g. to make the major towns eventually into entries.

However, in the end I think it boils down to this that people want their works read and commented on. Otherwise, what's the point? So far we've got a handful of people interested in working on a couple of things. The main question for me is still: How can we sustain interest? You want to have your work appreciated and you want to see people buzzing with activity. If we do a group project we might get a few things done, sure, but we need more people in the long run (veteran members and new ones). So a group project might be a first important step, but more measures are needed.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 17 November 2015, 03:39:27
I'd also suggest that we focus on short entries that can be completed in a week or two, rather than monstrous ones like tribe or metropolis entries. The harder an entry is to write and comment on, the more it drags. Let's focus on momentum and camaraderie. :)


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 November 2015, 03:49:43
That's a great suggestion, Coren.

(And it's coming from someone who invented the "Coren" measurement, which is ca. 37 pages per entry, when dealing with a certain hummingbird if I remember correctly... :grin: So that ought to tell us something...)

Yes, I agree there, definitely. People tend to get lost in details, and that can be counterproductive, especially when we want to get some activity going. While in the long run it would be great to have e.g. such major city entries, we shouldn't start right away with the largest projects possible.

BTW, additional suggestion: Major entries could be split up to get them done. E.g. someone could take over the Myth/Lore section of a big city entry, someone else write about People and another one only writes the Coat of Arms section. Small junks if it makes sense to deal with them individually.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 17 November 2015, 03:53:05
I am a reformed man. QED. ;)


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 17 November 2015, 12:54:18
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BTW, additional suggestion: Major entries could be split up to get them done. E.g. someone could take over the Myth/Lore section of a big city entry, someone else write about People and another one only writes the Coat of Arms section. Small junks if it makes sense to deal with them individually.

Along those lines, perhaps partial entries posted to the site in updates.  If a project is a larger one, like a major city, say, then perhaps allow the author to submit a few essential sections, then add to those sections later on?

I know, Art, that you would prefer not having to amend entries because it is as hard or harder than doing a new entry (I'm certain I remember you saying this).  So, larger works could be done with subsections, no?  Like many entries on the site, the Shendar entry for example, has an original entry, then several subentries,  Death Rite Journeyon, Housing, Myth and Lore, Society, Toilet.

Having something go up on site is both good for the site and encouraging for the author.

My idea, anyhow.

PS: You let me do this with the Antislar entry. :rolleyes:


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Mina on 17 November 2015, 23:20:55
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BTW, additional suggestion: Major entries could be split up to get them done. E.g. someone could take over the Myth/Lore section of a big city entry, someone else write about People and another one only writes the Coat of Arms section. Small junks if it makes sense to deal with them individually.
This was basically how Rayne did the Ximax entry.  It seemed to work well.  You need a good project manager though. 


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Seagazer on 18 November 2015, 00:49:56
Perhaps we could do a group project on Voldar for the second round of the group project?

That would maintain the Vardınn theme, while making one of the most important cities in Santharia have one of the better entries.

How many man-hours did the Ximax project end up taking?


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Seeker on 19 January 2016, 10:30:41
Hey guys.  Glad to see so many folks seemingly interested in working again on Santharia.  Did any of this gain any traction?  Will there be a group project?

I'd be interested in doing a picture or two when the time is right.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 January 2016, 21:11:41
Well, Seeker, we've got an update out of the brief enthusiasm that flared up, however, that's about it as far as I can see. So yeah, couple of plans, ideas, not much has happened ever since...

Personally I've written a Brownie fairy tale in the meantime, but haven't posted it yet. I plan a collection of several fairy tales BTW, and another one should be done within a week or so.


Title: Re: What's the Matter with Santharia?
Post by: Val O´Neil on 25 January 2016, 16:39:54
I would love the group project to take off, but it seems really up in the air whether Seagazer is going to return with that fire in his belly still raging.

I personally am going on yet another short vacation this week, but will be back in two weeks. Upon my return, I hope to have plenty of content to bombard the boards with.