Title: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 08 July 2004, 20:20:00
If I were to join the team and contribute, what happens to our I.P? I have been reading through the FAQs that were present, and have not yet come to find a conclusive answer.
Could someone enlighten me please?
Thankyou
Could someone enlighten me please?
Thankyou
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 08 July 2004, 20:34:00
Well I managed to find the copyright notices here.
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 09 July 2004, 00:20:00
Yeah, the copyright page is here, Mialle (you took the URL of the mainframe).
At the Membership Application page you have even more detailed terms, see here, scroll down to the bottom and then read the details there at the last textbox.
Hope that helped.
Oh, BTW: I saw that you posted this on the X'ithcal board:
"The only thing I don't like about them is that they wish to release a bunch of books with content which was created by volunteers, and they aren't gonna get a cent.
IP rights are not recognised...
Make sure you know that. The reason why I didn't join their ezboard forums, although I am already a member at other ones..."
Uhmm... That's pretty much a fairy tale, isn't it?
Read the links I've given above and see if you find that confirmed somewhere. Aside from the fact that we don't really plan to release any books or something similar at the moment, everything commercial which would (theoretically) be done goes of course straight into the pockets of the developers. However, it lies not in the intention of the site at all to earn money with it.
At the Membership Application page you have even more detailed terms, see here, scroll down to the bottom and then read the details there at the last textbox.
Hope that helped.
Oh, BTW: I saw that you posted this on the X'ithcal board:
"The only thing I don't like about them is that they wish to release a bunch of books with content which was created by volunteers, and they aren't gonna get a cent.
IP rights are not recognised...
Make sure you know that. The reason why I didn't join their ezboard forums, although I am already a member at other ones..."
Uhmm... That's pretty much a fairy tale, isn't it?
Read the links I've given above and see if you find that confirmed somewhere. Aside from the fact that we don't really plan to release any books or something similar at the moment, everything commercial which would (theoretically) be done goes of course straight into the pockets of the developers. However, it lies not in the intention of the site at all to earn money with it. 
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Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 09 July 2004, 00:43:00
I sincerely decline, though I might hang around this board, and who knows, maybe a few months down the track, I might change my mind.
The OOC areas look appeasing to me...
Stay sound Artimidor Federkiel
The OOC areas look appeasing to me...
Stay sound Artimidor Federkiel
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Koldar Mondrakken on 09 July 2004, 16:20:00
The copyright limitations are mainly to clear up the conditions for both sides. E.g. the Santharian website needs to maintain a right to display texts even when the publisher is not around anymore or for some unfortunate circumstance wants contents removed from the site. the later would be disastrous for the site. When the Santharian Dream has no right to display the content with the outlined conditions suddenly whole sections of the site would violate the copyright of the creators in such a case. And when half the history and races sections are to be removed because of such an incident this would be really harmful for this project.
The whole Copyright section is about maintaining intellectual property for the participants while preventing harmful scenarios for the project as a whole. If the section would not exist in theory anyone who has done entries for the site could demand them to be taken down if he says so. The agreement simply clears up that one gives the project the right to display those entries for the site.
Of course the above scenario is rather unlikely but it is better when everyone knows what he's getting into from the beginning.
And given how many expenses Artimidor has done for this project over the years, greed seems to be not one of his major traits and commercialization of this project is unlikely, if not impossible. Would pretty much destroy the fun of it.
Anyway, have fun on the site, as visitor or creator as you wish.
The whole Copyright section is about maintaining intellectual property for the participants while preventing harmful scenarios for the project as a whole. If the section would not exist in theory anyone who has done entries for the site could demand them to be taken down if he says so. The agreement simply clears up that one gives the project the right to display those entries for the site.
Of course the above scenario is rather unlikely but it is better when everyone knows what he's getting into from the beginning.
And given how many expenses Artimidor has done for this project over the years, greed seems to be not one of his major traits and commercialization of this project is unlikely, if not impossible. Would pretty much destroy the fun of it.
Anyway, have fun on the site, as visitor or creator as you wish.
Koldar Mondrakken, Knight of the Moonlight
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 09 July 2004, 18:55:00
Davs,
Well I would most sincerely join, and ask for it any day here, though after considering the following scenario, I have decided to lay off for some time:
Say that I were to contribute. There is no importance in this scenario whether I ocntribute little or much, however Santharia, or whomsoever with much control over it, decides to release a book. Whether fictional fantasy novels, or RPG rulebooks. For instance a D&D Santharia Campaign Setting. Now, of course the one in control rakes in cash, and we, the contributors, get nothing.
This is what annoys me. She/he has the right to do so at any time, once we sign up...
I am part of another very small community, running on phpbbhost servers. it has 13 members, and the administrator is 14 years of age. The community is growing constantly, as is the world, but here, all works remain the property of the forum as a whole, and no-one can decided to publish another's work.
Please do not get me wrong. I have learnt in my 15 year life so far to read the fine print. And I intend to. I will join perhaps if this scenario is cleared.
One such method would be, as just a small example:
If whomsoever makes money, by selling some of the works of us, then he/she should give every member, free ezboard supporter for a year?
Stay sound.
I love that smiley. At the D&D boards that one is sadly not around. Cute....
Well I would most sincerely join, and ask for it any day here, though after considering the following scenario, I have decided to lay off for some time:
Say that I were to contribute. There is no importance in this scenario whether I ocntribute little or much, however Santharia, or whomsoever with much control over it, decides to release a book. Whether fictional fantasy novels, or RPG rulebooks. For instance a D&D Santharia Campaign Setting. Now, of course the one in control rakes in cash, and we, the contributors, get nothing.
This is what annoys me. She/he has the right to do so at any time, once we sign up...
I am part of another very small community, running on phpbbhost servers. it has 13 members, and the administrator is 14 years of age. The community is growing constantly, as is the world, but here, all works remain the property of the forum as a whole, and no-one can decided to publish another's work.
Please do not get me wrong. I have learnt in my 15 year life so far to read the fine print. And I intend to. I will join perhaps if this scenario is cleared.
One such method would be, as just a small example:
If whomsoever makes money, by selling some of the works of us, then he/she should give every member, free ezboard supporter for a year?
Stay sound.
I love that smiley. At the D&D boards that one is sadly not around. Cute....
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 July 2004, 00:35:00
Once again: You're telling a fairy-tale here, Mialle... This is a team project, and nobody would make anything commercial without the developers consent. Please read the page I've pointed you to again and also read Koldar's post carefully. Santharian content remains community content, that's precisely as in the community you describe.
Do you see for example any advertisements on the site, which would help to pay the bills for site, forums etc. Nope, there's someone else who takes care of that. I think commercialism is something which doesn't fit into a healthy world development project. Aside from that: If you'd really want to make money with what you develop, you can always use your own stuff wherever you want (as do for example our artists), but Santharia won't ever use anything someone has developed to make money.
Also - as I saw that stated at your Forum -: Santharia is a world of its own, it is by no means Middle-Earth, but only has a strong inspiration of Tolkien. Don't mix that up.
Do you see for example any advertisements on the site, which would help to pay the bills for site, forums etc. Nope, there's someone else who takes care of that. I think commercialism is something which doesn't fit into a healthy world development project. Aside from that: If you'd really want to make money with what you develop, you can always use your own stuff wherever you want (as do for example our artists), but Santharia won't ever use anything someone has developed to make money.
Also - as I saw that stated at your Forum -: Santharia is a world of its own, it is by no means Middle-Earth, but only has a strong inspiration of Tolkien. Don't mix that up.
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Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 10 July 2004, 01:23:00
Thankyou for clearing up my doubts.
Now I am considering joining.
Do I have to join on the joining page you mentioned, and what exactly is required of me, if that is, I choose to join?
Ohh, and I would like to thank you once again for being so speedy in answering my questions.
Enjoy the day.
Now I am considering joining.
Do I have to join on the joining page you mentioned, and what exactly is required of me, if that is, I choose to join?
Ohh, and I would like to thank you once again for being so speedy in answering my questions.
Enjoy the day.
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Mina on 10 July 2004, 01:42:00
Well, I don't know if you need to post somewhere to join. I certainly never did. Then again, I'm more of a lurker, at least on this board. I'm more often at the RPG board. 
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 July 2004, 01:52:00
You become an "offical" member usually after 5 contributions or so (as stated on the membership page), simply to avoid that everyone who develops a beast and disappears into oblivion is already listed as "member". So if you want to join, I suggest to have a look around and see where you think you might like to contribute something, ask if such an entry would be ok and you can jump right in.
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Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 10 July 2004, 01:56:00
Well, erm, Artimidor Federkiel, do you accept Fanfic, and or artwork?
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 July 2004, 04:42:00
Well, this is the world of Caelereth/Santharia. This is not Middle Earth, nor any other RPG world. "Fanfiction" refers to an already existing world, where fans create their stories in this world's context, usually without participating in development of this world. And though I'm sure you're a fan of Santharia (
) just call it "fiction in the world of Caelereth/Santharia". But there are no Gandalfs, Frodos, Shelobs etc. running around here!
Artwork: Same here - artwork needs to fit into the world or be reusable in a Santharian context. Artwork also needs to fit in style and quality to the rest of the site.
) just call it "fiction in the world of Caelereth/Santharia". But there are no Gandalfs, Frodos, Shelobs etc. running around here!Artwork: Same here - artwork needs to fit into the world or be reusable in a Santharian context. Artwork also needs to fit in style and quality to the rest of the site.
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Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 10 July 2004, 05:20:00
That is fine. The fanfic I have already created could fit, in my opinion reasonably well with what seems to be created so far...
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 10 July 2004, 05:35:00
Welcome mialle. 
I must say here, that I prefer if something is done exclusively for Santharia, with Santharia in mind when writing /painting it, not fixed concepts/ideas which only look for a home and are adapted more or less to fit in the dream.
This should not be a site where somebody comes and tries to publish his things/thoughts just that they are somewhere and then vanish again.
But let's see, what you have
I must say here, that I prefer if something is done exclusively for Santharia, with Santharia in mind when writing /painting it, not fixed concepts/ideas which only look for a home and are adapted more or less to fit in the dream.
This should not be a site where somebody comes and tries to publish his things/thoughts just that they are somewhere and then vanish again.
But let's see, what you have
***Astropic of the day***
"For me there is only the traveling on paths that have heart, on any path that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge is to traverse its full length. And there I travel looking, looking, breathlessly. ~Don Juan"
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 10 July 2004, 06:37:00
Good point. Something I will have to look out for. You can find a copy of one of my stories here.
I am not submiting anything. Just an example of my writing style...
Ohh, and nice to meet you too. I must say your forum is one of the most sincere I have come across. Thankyou Edited by: mialle 
at: 7/10/04 2:51
I am not submiting anything. Just an example of my writing style...
Ohh, and nice to meet you too. I must say your forum is one of the most sincere I have come across. Thankyou
at: 7/10/04 2:51Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 10 July 2004, 06:58:00
Quote:
I must say your forum is one of the most sincere I have come across
*ponders, if that is a compliment or not*
mialle, I thought I would find a story following your link - not house rules...
***Astropic of the day***
"For me there is only the traveling on paths that have heart, on any path that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge is to traverse its full length. And there I travel looking, looking, breathlessly. ~Don Juan"
at: 7/9/04 15:03Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 10 July 2004, 07:06:00
Although it was rhetorical, yes, it most certainly is -- at least compared to some of the other places I post around.
I like your names here, for many are beautiful examples of good RPG characters, such as D&D character names. I haven't in most of my 15 year old life found any of my fellow gaming friends create such beautiful and artistic names.
Have you read my story to which I provided a link?
I like your names here, for many are beautiful examples of good RPG characters, such as D&D character names. I haven't in most of my 15 year old life found any of my fellow gaming friends create such beautiful and artistic names.
Have you read my story to which I provided a link?
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 10 July 2004, 08:31:00
Your link leads to a pdf with House Rules, that is not exactly what I understand as a story...
***Astropic of the day***
"For me there is only the traveling on paths that have heart, on any path that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge is to traverse its full length. And there I travel looking, looking, breathlessly. ~Don Juan"
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 July 2004, 08:38:00
Uhmm... yeah... looks like role playing stuff, but not precisely like a story...
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Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 10 July 2004, 18:53:00
My mistake. Here it is again, though I have fixed up the link further up-post as well for your and other readers convenience...
Cheers,
mialle.
Cheers,mialle.
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 12 July 2004, 05:53:00
Interesting to read, your story, mialle. I assume, it is part of a bigger endeavour. If it stands alone, it is a bit difficult to get about what you are actually talking. Why was this woman veiled and why did she have to die, when her veil was removed? Maybe I have difficulties, because I'm not a native speaker, however, I never have problems when I read something f.e. Dala or Drogo have written, though I miss several words which I have to look up sometimes, if I want to get the last meaning out of the text.
What did disturb me very much, is your successive wrongly placing of your commas. Don't say, it is your own special style, it is grammatically wrong and really stopping the flow of the text.
But that is nothing that should hinder you to try your hands on Santharian stuff, just be aware, that it has to fit in the dream and will be criticised merciless (hey, I'm joking! )
What did disturb me very much, is your successive wrongly placing of your commas. Don't say, it is your own special style, it is grammatically wrong and really stopping the flow of the text.
But that is nothing that should hinder you to try your hands on Santharian stuff, just be aware, that it has to fit in the dream and will be criticised merciless
(hey, I'm joking! ) ***Astropic of the day***
"For me there is only the traveling on paths that have heart, on any path that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge is to traverse its full length. And there I travel looking, looking, breathlessly. ~Don Juan"
Title: Re: Intellectual Property?
Post by: mialle on 12 July 2004, 18:59:00
Thankyou for reading it, as not many people do. I am often one of those people, being busy an all. Also the reason why I couldn't reply earlier.
Onto the story, it was based off a RPG pen 'n' paper game called Vampire: The Masquerade and Vampire: The Dark Ages. These games commonly name vampires as kindred. This might have led to some confussion. The story revolves around the Catholic Roman Legions attacking the Barbaric Celts, who have come to worship the kindred, thus the kindred are inclined to help them out. It required a bit if guess work, I do admit that. About the frequent comma use, I am sorry if this demolished the experience for you, but this method, of frequent use is practiced at our English classes, and English is not my native language either. I quite frankly like comma usage, though this is just me and my English teachers... Thankyou for the feedback, I enjoyed this thread, as I met more new people and an exciting project.
Stay sound Talia Sturmwind, and enjoy the day,
mialle.
Onto the story, it was based off a RPG pen 'n' paper game called Vampire: The Masquerade and Vampire: The Dark Ages. These games commonly name vampires as kindred. This might have led to some confussion. The story revolves around the Catholic Roman Legions attacking the Barbaric Celts, who have come to worship the kindred, thus the kindred are inclined to help them out. It required a bit if guess work, I do admit that. About the frequent comma use, I am sorry if this demolished the experience for you, but this method, of frequent use is practiced at our English classes, and English is not my native language either. I quite frankly like comma usage, though this is just me and my English teachers... Thankyou for the feedback, I enjoyed this thread, as I met more new people and an exciting project.
Stay sound Talia Sturmwind, and enjoy the day,
mialle.