Title: Bows a start (compounds Added)
Post by: legolas acher on 20 January 2002, 17:13:00
Art basics and can add more if need (which I expect it will)
DESCIPTION
In the beginning the bow was very crude and shabbily made. The basis of the bow was a strong thin branch bend into a cresent shape and tied at each end with a strong and thin material material(from now on called the string). When the string is pulled the branch bends further and further back. As the string is realised the branch springs back realising the energy built up. (more info in origin section)
In short the bow is a very varied weapon which changes from tribe to tribe and from race to race. Each archer also usually personalies their bow and arrows.
Cetain things are common to most bows:
Drawlength:
This is how far the archer actually draws the string to “full draw” before releasing the arrow. The draw wieght of a bow is measured at 0.66 peds and increases / decreases by
2ob per 2 nailsbreadth drawn beyond / below that point.
Draweight:
This is the power the bow has at a drawlength of 0.66peds. The higher the draweight the more powerful the bow.
Staking:
This is when a bow is made to be a certain draw weight but through time the wood it is made of takes increases the drawweight . The only way to bring the drawweight back
down again is to retiller the bow.
Tillering:
This is the working of the wood , Bone etc into the bow..
The Flight of the Arrow:
While the traditional bows have an inital acceration and then starts to decelerate even before the arrow has completely left the bow the compond bow's arrow acelerates throughout the bow with the extra push as the string pushes the cams back through the cams giving the extra draw weight back to the bow.
One drawback of this bow is that if the strings break you would need a bowyer that knows what he is doing and owns a bow press to fix it.
ARROWS:
For bows:
These also vary from archer to archer and from bow to bow.
Arrows vary in thickness , length , number and type of flight, type and style of tip.
Length: This depends on the archer Idealy the arrows should be 2 nailsbreadth greater than the archers drawlength.
Thickness: This varies due to the poundage of the bow. The higher the poundage the thicker the arrow in general.
Flights: Usually 3 or 5 feathered flights shaped and tailored to the archer. The length of the feathers are usually 6 or 10 nailsbreadth.
The height of the feathers depends of the archer. Higher feather helps compansate for a bad loose (release of the arrow)
Tip: This can be made of brass or steel in various styles and weights to act along with the thickness of the arrow to have a good "Archers paradox " and a true line of flight.
There are the following types of bows:
Shortbow:
These actually don't exist their are just bows that are short (usually a form of composite bow).
Longbow:
These exquisite bows are alway made from wood.
The longer the bow the easier it is to draw. The wood has a "memory" and each bow should only be drawn by one archer or the bow can be damaged or break ( as all
archers draw differently) Higher the drawweight the further it shoots.
A bow of 30ob draw weight will have to shoot at a higher elevation to reach the same point as someone shooting a 60ob drawweight bow.
One extra problem with Longbows is that these bows usually stack. This means that and archer could buy a 30ob bow but through time may end up shooting a 70 or 80 ob bow.
Crossbow:
The maximum drawlength for a crossbow is 0.33 peds and are very accruate or short distances. They usually used to pierce armour but have the hinderence of being slow to load.
The drawwieght of the crossbow is usually a quite high poundage. These bows are usually made of a combination of wood and metal.
The crossbow is a favourite of the Dwarves ( Is that ok Bard?) as they have delveloped a type of bolt and method to help in thier mining.
Composite Bows:
These are any bows are made of a series of different woods (but not one only) or a combination of three substances joined together in three layers , but follow the main rules of Longbows.
The different layerings of the bow make the bow act differently depending on what the substances are used in the building of the bow. This is because each substance stores energyin different ways and the combination of all three layers is how the bow reacts.
Compound Bows:
This is much shorter than the traditional Long bow and Composite bow being about 1 ped in length rather than about 2 peds. The compound bow is approximatley twice to
three times the width of the Long bow to incorporate the cam system in the end of each limb. These bows are relitivley rare as the skill and engineering involved in making one. There are very few Boyers that can make a good Compound bow.
There are various types of bows and arrows in this world and this is but an overview. Different clans and tribes have various diferations on bows etc.
The Strings of a Compound:
Unlike the longbows and Composite bows which have one string which is attached to the end of each limb , the compound bow has a complex system of three strings /
cables. Two of the strings are attached to small holes in the cams in a X fashion whilst the third is looped around the cams.
Its is this third string the archer pulls back. The string pulls the cams round, Once the cams have been turned the drawwieght lessens considerabley. If the inital draw wieght
of the is 80obs then the "holding wieght"of the bow can be as little as 40obs. The lessened "holding wieght" gives a very powerful bow a handleable wieght to hold at full draw whilst the archer aims giving it more accuracy.
The Flight of the Arrow from a compound:
While the traditional bows have an inital acceration and then starts to decelerate even before the arrow has completely left the bow the compond bow's arrow acelerates throughout the bow with the extra push as the string pushes the cams back through the cams giving the extra draw weight back to the bow.
One drawback of this bow is that if the strings break you would need a bowyer that knows what he is doing and owns a bow press to fix it.
Brownie Bow: (you wanted one right Xarl)
This is a miniture verison of the compound bow with a modified cam system which lets the bow shoot about 1/4 of the distance of the compound bow.
Usage
The bow is used as a missile weapon to attack from distance or give cover to infantry advancement. Some bows like the short bows are also used as a hunting tool in forests and such like. To be able to be able to shot a bow can be quite easy but to be any good is extremly difficult and to master is a lifetime study.
Fighting Style
Archers tend to be at distance from the battle and stationary when shooting. However , some smaller bows are designed to be shot from horseback. Archers when giving covering fire usually stand in ranks shooting high above there own ranks into the heart of the ememy.
Origin / History
Depending on which race and which tribe you talk to the origin of the bow can be very different.
As skill and knowledge improved and Archers experimented with tailoring and and shaping the riser and limbs ( the part of the bow which used to be simply a branch) The bows became stronger and looked more elegent.
This varies from bow to bow
see separate entries
Origin of the Compound Bow:
In order to built a bow like this takes the skills of a master engineer and bowyer
working in harmonany There are not many who have these skills so the bows would be
scarce.
Bard Judith:- I was wondering if the Dwarves could be the inventors????
One drawback of this bow is that if the strings break you would need a bowyer that
knows what he is doing and owns a bow press to fix it.
A quick comparison:
Bow drawwieght bow material max distance shot
Shortbow 10 - 40 ob wood or bone 0.8 Dash
Longbow 30 -120 ob wood 2.5 Dash
composite 20 - 80 ob wood or bone 1.6 Dash
bow
crossbow 24 - 120 ob wood and metal 0.8 Dash
compound 20lb - 160 ob metal 3 Dash
bow
Any more needed????
DESCIPTION
In the beginning the bow was very crude and shabbily made. The basis of the bow was a strong thin branch bend into a cresent shape and tied at each end with a strong and thin material material(from now on called the string). When the string is pulled the branch bends further and further back. As the string is realised the branch springs back realising the energy built up. (more info in origin section)
In short the bow is a very varied weapon which changes from tribe to tribe and from race to race. Each archer also usually personalies their bow and arrows.
Cetain things are common to most bows:
Drawlength:
This is how far the archer actually draws the string to “full draw” before releasing the arrow. The draw wieght of a bow is measured at 0.66 peds and increases / decreases by
2ob per 2 nailsbreadth drawn beyond / below that point.
Draweight:
This is the power the bow has at a drawlength of 0.66peds. The higher the draweight the more powerful the bow.
Staking:
This is when a bow is made to be a certain draw weight but through time the wood it is made of takes increases the drawweight . The only way to bring the drawweight back
down again is to retiller the bow.
Tillering:
This is the working of the wood , Bone etc into the bow..
The Flight of the Arrow:
While the traditional bows have an inital acceration and then starts to decelerate even before the arrow has completely left the bow the compond bow's arrow acelerates throughout the bow with the extra push as the string pushes the cams back through the cams giving the extra draw weight back to the bow.
One drawback of this bow is that if the strings break you would need a bowyer that knows what he is doing and owns a bow press to fix it.
ARROWS:
For bows:
These also vary from archer to archer and from bow to bow.
Arrows vary in thickness , length , number and type of flight, type and style of tip.
Length: This depends on the archer Idealy the arrows should be 2 nailsbreadth greater than the archers drawlength.
Thickness: This varies due to the poundage of the bow. The higher the poundage the thicker the arrow in general.
Flights: Usually 3 or 5 feathered flights shaped and tailored to the archer. The length of the feathers are usually 6 or 10 nailsbreadth.
The height of the feathers depends of the archer. Higher feather helps compansate for a bad loose (release of the arrow)
Tip: This can be made of brass or steel in various styles and weights to act along with the thickness of the arrow to have a good "Archers paradox " and a true line of flight.
There are the following types of bows:
Shortbow:
These actually don't exist their are just bows that are short (usually a form of composite bow).
Longbow:
These exquisite bows are alway made from wood.
The longer the bow the easier it is to draw. The wood has a "memory" and each bow should only be drawn by one archer or the bow can be damaged or break ( as all
archers draw differently) Higher the drawweight the further it shoots.
A bow of 30ob draw weight will have to shoot at a higher elevation to reach the same point as someone shooting a 60ob drawweight bow.
One extra problem with Longbows is that these bows usually stack. This means that and archer could buy a 30ob bow but through time may end up shooting a 70 or 80 ob bow.
Crossbow:
The maximum drawlength for a crossbow is 0.33 peds and are very accruate or short distances. They usually used to pierce armour but have the hinderence of being slow to load.
The drawwieght of the crossbow is usually a quite high poundage. These bows are usually made of a combination of wood and metal.
The crossbow is a favourite of the Dwarves ( Is that ok Bard?) as they have delveloped a type of bolt and method to help in thier mining.
Composite Bows:
These are any bows are made of a series of different woods (but not one only) or a combination of three substances joined together in three layers , but follow the main rules of Longbows.
The different layerings of the bow make the bow act differently depending on what the substances are used in the building of the bow. This is because each substance stores energyin different ways and the combination of all three layers is how the bow reacts.
Compound Bows:
This is much shorter than the traditional Long bow and Composite bow being about 1 ped in length rather than about 2 peds. The compound bow is approximatley twice to
three times the width of the Long bow to incorporate the cam system in the end of each limb. These bows are relitivley rare as the skill and engineering involved in making one. There are very few Boyers that can make a good Compound bow.
There are various types of bows and arrows in this world and this is but an overview. Different clans and tribes have various diferations on bows etc.
The Strings of a Compound:
Unlike the longbows and Composite bows which have one string which is attached to the end of each limb , the compound bow has a complex system of three strings /
cables. Two of the strings are attached to small holes in the cams in a X fashion whilst the third is looped around the cams.
Its is this third string the archer pulls back. The string pulls the cams round, Once the cams have been turned the drawwieght lessens considerabley. If the inital draw wieght
of the is 80obs then the "holding wieght"of the bow can be as little as 40obs. The lessened "holding wieght" gives a very powerful bow a handleable wieght to hold at full draw whilst the archer aims giving it more accuracy.
The Flight of the Arrow from a compound:
While the traditional bows have an inital acceration and then starts to decelerate even before the arrow has completely left the bow the compond bow's arrow acelerates throughout the bow with the extra push as the string pushes the cams back through the cams giving the extra draw weight back to the bow.
One drawback of this bow is that if the strings break you would need a bowyer that knows what he is doing and owns a bow press to fix it.
Brownie Bow: (you wanted one right Xarl)
This is a miniture verison of the compound bow with a modified cam system which lets the bow shoot about 1/4 of the distance of the compound bow.
Usage
The bow is used as a missile weapon to attack from distance or give cover to infantry advancement. Some bows like the short bows are also used as a hunting tool in forests and such like. To be able to be able to shot a bow can be quite easy but to be any good is extremly difficult and to master is a lifetime study.
Fighting Style
Archers tend to be at distance from the battle and stationary when shooting. However , some smaller bows are designed to be shot from horseback. Archers when giving covering fire usually stand in ranks shooting high above there own ranks into the heart of the ememy.
Origin / History
Depending on which race and which tribe you talk to the origin of the bow can be very different.
As skill and knowledge improved and Archers experimented with tailoring and and shaping the riser and limbs ( the part of the bow which used to be simply a branch) The bows became stronger and looked more elegent.
This varies from bow to bow
see separate entries
Origin of the Compound Bow:
In order to built a bow like this takes the skills of a master engineer and bowyer
working in harmonany There are not many who have these skills so the bows would be
scarce.
Bard Judith:- I was wondering if the Dwarves could be the inventors????
One drawback of this bow is that if the strings break you would need a bowyer that
knows what he is doing and owns a bow press to fix it.
A quick comparison:
Bow drawwieght bow material max distance shot
Shortbow 10 - 40 ob wood or bone 0.8 Dash
Longbow 30 -120 ob wood 2.5 Dash
composite 20 - 80 ob wood or bone 1.6 Dash
bow
crossbow 24 - 120 ob wood and metal 0.8 Dash
compound 20lb - 160 ob metal 3 Dash
bow
Any more needed????
LEGOLAS:
Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Greybark on 25 January 2002, 23:28:00
Not sure if I really want to ask this question, but, here goes....
If there was a bow around 4 or 7 inches, what would it be like?
If there was a bow around 4 or 7 inches, what would it be like?
Brownie Expert
Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 26 January 2002, 14:06:00
hhmmmm good question I think.......
Are you wanting one?
Are you wanting one?
LEGOLAS:
Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Greybark on 26 January 2002, 19:51:00
yeah, pretty much. A bit nervous about the possible answers you might give me.
Bows are the main weapon of the modern Brownie, especially of the LLaoihrr (Vale) and Aohu'o (Akdor) Tribes, along with the blowpipe. Generally every linear measurement of a foot for a human in equivalent to an inch for a Brownie....
Bows are the main weapon of the modern Brownie, especially of the LLaoihrr (Vale) and Aohu'o (Akdor) Tribes, along with the blowpipe. Generally every linear measurement of a foot for a human in equivalent to an inch for a Brownie....
Brownie Expert
Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: SmurfStormcrow on 27 January 2002, 15:14:00
You know way too much about bows. And could your measurements be converted into, say, peds? That would be helpful.
Would ballista be included in this bows section?
Would ballista be included in this bows section?
Stormcrow
Psychotic Wizard-TypeTitle: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 27 January 2002, 15:42:00
What about compound bows? do we want these?
pulley system bows 3 stringed
pulley system bows 3 stringed
LEGOLAS:
Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Koldar Mondrakken on 27 January 2002, 16:41:00
What is the advantage of such a bow or what kind of bow is it? It is only a sports bow, isn't it so no soldier ever saw any sense in making a 3-stringed bow or am I wrong? 
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 27 January 2002, 16:49:00
It is a modern bow which makes targeting much easier as 50% - 75% of the bow's drawweight this could be very usually
LEGOLAS:
Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Terra Artemos on 27 January 2002, 22:15:00
Would it not be theorecitaly possable to have a compound bow with the same draw weight as a equivilant standard bow and have it shoot farther?
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Koldar Mondrakken on 28 January 2002, 03:12:00
Oh! A super-bow? I want one! 
Also it might be too expensive/complicate to produce en masse it might be in use by certain tribes, I guess.
Also it might be too expensive/complicate to produce en masse it might be in use by certain tribes, I guess. Koldar Mondrakken, Knight of the Moonlight
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 28 January 2002, 13:53:00
No you cant have a compound bow Koldar!
the draweight of the compound bow is usually greater than a normal bow
the draweight of the compound bow is usually greater than a normal bow
LEGOLAS:
Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Terra Artemos on 28 January 2002, 15:41:00
OK, so I was wrong.
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 28 January 2002, 15:58:00
Ermm not in a way Terra.
The draweight you hold is say 40lb the same as a 40lb recurve however the actual draweight of the compound could actually 100lb therefore would shoot alot futher and the arrow would leave the bow alot faster
does this help?
Art :- have I enough detail or do you want more?
The draweight you hold is say 40lb the same as a 40lb recurve however the actual draweight of the compound could actually 100lb therefore would shoot alot futher and the arrow would leave the bow alot faster
does this help?
Art :- have I enough detail or do you want more?
LEGOLAS:
Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 31 January 2002, 16:01:00
Well, we have a weapons scheme, Legolas! You should try to elabroate all the sections, mentioning the differences of the certain bows, similar as we did at the crossbow entry, but also adding things like Usage, Fighting Style, Origin.
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 31 January 2002, 18:41:00
Hmmmm.... looks at the hole he has dug himself .. Nope can't get out of this one just keep digging.
I was trying to do a general overview. Not origins and that as different tribes etc will invent different bows. I can see were you are coming from but do not want to step on any more toes. It depends really on where you are woods etc will be short limbs low poundage and plains will be longer bows high poundage for the distance they can shoot etc etc etc
I was trying to do a general overview. Not origins and that as different tribes etc will invent different bows. I can see were you are coming from but do not want to step on any more toes. It depends really on where you are woods etc will be short limbs low poundage and plains will be longer bows high poundage for the distance they can shoot etc etc etc
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 13 February 2002, 15:48:00
Well, we have good information here, Legolas, but it doesn't resemble a Santharian Weapon entry an inch. Such entry posts make it very difficult for me to integrate them.
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 13 February 2002, 16:56:00
Could it be left on here as a reference point to how bows work etc as I dont have time to alter it all at the moment???
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 15 February 2002, 15:36:00
Yup, no prob. Hope you have some time sooner or later to bring the entry to final shape.
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Koldar Mondrakken on 11 March 2002, 09:11:00
Just an additional note I just stumbled over and wasn't decribed here:
Composite Bows are usually made of three parts (for each part another material). The three parts are the back (facing away from the archer), the core and the front.
The trick seems to be that every material has the right properties for the place it is used for and make the bow more work more effectively this way.
What I've read so far the problem about is how to glue together the parts as the bow is easily broken when the glue is not good. (there was mentioned that some bows had to be stored dry because the glue was vanishing under wet weather conditions)
If legolas shows by and knows some more about it, be free to correct me!
tips: Most tips in the Middle Ages were designed according to its purpose. There were tips for hunting and for warfare. The tips used in war were generally split up into categories:
-Those that can pierce armor (needle-like tip)
-Those that injures the victim most (those had most often long hooks making removing the tip difficult and painful as well.) As far as I know these hooked tips were often used against cavalry. While not effective against knights they took down their horses... Yeah, war is a nice business!
-And the last tips were a crossover of the ones above to be rather effective at both. They had no hooks but were formed like the typical spearhead.
What you can learn by surfing the net and reading books! *wondering*
Composite Bows are usually made of three parts (for each part another material). The three parts are the back (facing away from the archer), the core and the front.
The trick seems to be that every material has the right properties for the place it is used for and make the bow more work more effectively this way.
What I've read so far the problem about is how to glue together the parts as the bow is easily broken when the glue is not good. (there was mentioned that some bows had to be stored dry because the glue was vanishing under wet weather conditions)
If legolas shows by and knows some more about it, be free to correct me!
tips: Most tips in the Middle Ages were designed according to its purpose. There were tips for hunting and for warfare. The tips used in war were generally split up into categories:
-Those that can pierce armor (needle-like tip)
-Those that injures the victim most (those had most often long hooks making removing the tip difficult and painful as well.) As far as I know these hooked tips were often used against cavalry. While not effective against knights they took down their horses... Yeah, war is a nice business!
-And the last tips were a crossover of the ones above to be rather effective at both. They had no hooks but were formed like the typical spearhead.
What you can learn by surfing the net and reading books! *wondering*
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 12 March 2002, 05:10:00
Koldar,are you studying antike warfare, LOL??
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Koldar Mondrakken on 12 March 2002, 11:59:00
Errrrr... hmmm... well, yes.
It helps to get an overview how real things worked and so helps to develop your own fantasy things based on it. Though I stay focussed on Europe and the Mediterran, Asia and India seems too confusing to me...
It helps to get an overview how real things worked and so helps to develop your own fantasy things based on it. Though I stay focussed on Europe and the Mediterran, Asia and India seems too confusing to me...
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 05 April 2002, 15:43:00
Doh!! No Koldar you are right I missed that bit out oops
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" OUCH!!"
*bangs head on nearest wall*
" OUCH!!"
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: legolas acher on 29 July 2002, 13:34:00
Ok Art tidied up the first post does it look any better??
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Title: Re: Bows a start
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 02 August 2002, 15:56:00
Well I would mainly at a more detailed description at the beginning of the entry, stating what a boy is in fact. If you have never seen one
The bow is a very varied weapon which changes from tribe to tribe and from race to race. Each archer also usually personalies their bow and arrows. - This doesn't explain what a bow is in fact, you know
So this would be the Overview, then a more detailed description should follow about general bows. I'd put the Additional Information to the general description BTW.
I assume the info give about the bows is accurate, but we'd need complete sentences (or a comparing table would be interesting to have) and measurements should be in Santharian measures (see entry on Measures & Weights).
Usage and Fighting Style could also be more detailed than just a sentence.
The bow is a very varied weapon which changes from tribe to tribe and from race to race. Each archer also usually personalies their bow and arrows. - This doesn't explain what a bow is in fact, you know
So this would be the Overview, then a more detailed description should follow about general bows. I'd put the Additional Information to the general description BTW.
I assume the info give about the bows is accurate, but we'd need complete sentences (or a comparing table would be interesting to have) and measurements should be in Santharian measures (see entry on Measures & Weights).
Usage and Fighting Style could also be more detailed than just a sentence.
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Title: Re: Bows a start (compounds Added)
Post by: legolas acher on 14 August 2002, 07:59:00
Added and reworked abit more 
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Title: Re: Bows a start (compounds Added)
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 14 August 2002, 14:11:00
If you have a comparison table we spoke of, Legolas, just mail it as a Word document, Excel file, whatever supports building tables. I guess this would indeed be quite helpful here.
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Title: Re: Bows a start (compounds Added)
Post by: legolas acher on 14 August 2002, 15:35:00
I do have a small comparison table we talked about which is a better version of what I managed to post here. I haven't compared everything but the main points. I need Bard and Xarl to ok the points on the Brownie bow and the Drawf references.
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Title: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Greybark on 25 December 2002, 03:31:00
I'm watching LOTR1 on DVD, and Legolas' Moria forehead shot inspired me....any comments?
The Brownie Bow
This is a miniature verison of the Long Bow, made from the strong heartwood of certain trees. Although its maximum range is 60 peds, or .6 dash, it is not uncommon for a Brownie archer to pin and split a hair at half that range. Arrows are 6-8 nailsbreadths long, and can penetrate more than a nailsbreadth into flesh. Poison is often used on the tips and barbs of the arrows.
Brownie Bow Wood* Wood* 3 od 10 od 0.6* dashes
(the last line is in the chart, with changes marked by a star.
The Brownie Bow
This is a miniature verison of the Long Bow, made from the strong heartwood of certain trees. Although its maximum range is 60 peds, or .6 dash, it is not uncommon for a Brownie archer to pin and split a hair at half that range. Arrows are 6-8 nailsbreadths long, and can penetrate more than a nailsbreadth into flesh. Poison is often used on the tips and barbs of the arrows.
Brownie Bow Wood* Wood* 3 od 10 od 0.6* dashes
(the last line is in the chart, with changes marked by a star.
Brownie Expert
Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 30 December 2002, 02:47:00
Ok, I'll add this additional information to the bow entry this update
"[...] can split a hair [...]"
There's a german saying that if you talk about details which aren't really important, you call that hair-splitting (don't know if there's an English equivalent). Well, we now know that Brownies can do that very well, but with sharp arrows Probably we could derive a Santharian saying which is derived from the fact that Brownies indeed can split hair (as they are also small creatures and probably often overlooked by the big ones).
"[...] can split a hair [...]"
There's a german saying that if you talk about details which aren't really important, you call that hair-splitting (don't know if there's an English equivalent). Well, we now know that Brownies can do that very well, but with sharp arrows Probably we could derive a Santharian saying which is derived from the fact that Brownies indeed can split hair (as they are also small creatures and probably often overlooked by the big ones).
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Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Greybark on 30 December 2002, 03:24:00
Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Winlok on 30 December 2002, 18:22:00
The English version is ironically, "splitting hairs".
How about "splitting slits"
"splitting wickets"
"splitting cracks"
"cracking splits"
"cleaving cracks"
"cleaving words"
"leaving open holes"
or simply "leaving holes"
How about "splitting slits"
"splitting wickets"
"splitting cracks"
"cracking splits"
"cleaving cracks"
"cleaving words"
"leaving open holes"
or simply "leaving holes"
Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Bard Judith on 30 December 2002, 23:00:00
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner on this!
Dwarven bows are indeed mostly crossbows - short, sturdy, heavy pull, short quarrels. Useful in tunnels, low-light, stalking or ambush rather than quick-reaction situations.
Compound bows? Hmmmmm.... right now I'm not sure I have any Dwarven clans who do woodworking. (correct me if I'm wrong, though....) They primarily do smithing work - so would be interested in the fine machining necessary for crossbows, and forging/smelting the arrowheads, but I don't know how much time they would spend with wood other than in basic carpentry for household use....
What about making compounds an elven invention? Ask Wren for a woodworking tribe and have fun with it!
Dwarven bows are indeed mostly crossbows - short, sturdy, heavy pull, short quarrels. Useful in tunnels, low-light, stalking or ambush rather than quick-reaction situations.
Compound bows? Hmmmmm.... right now I'm not sure I have any Dwarven clans who do woodworking. (correct me if I'm wrong, though....) They primarily do smithing work - so would be interested in the fine machining necessary for crossbows, and forging/smelting the arrowheads, but I don't know how much time they would spend with wood other than in basic carpentry for household use....
What about making compounds an elven invention? Ask Wren for a woodworking tribe and have fun with it!
Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Greybark on 30 December 2002, 23:26:00
Oh no! I have resurrected a monster!
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Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Koldar Mondrakken on 31 December 2002, 05:22:00
The compound should be only mentioned as exotic exception. He's impracticable for most people because you generally must be able to repair your stuff yourself.
Maybe only an idea by some inventor but not a practical one...
Maybe only an idea by some inventor but not a practical one...
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Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Fox on 31 December 2002, 06:36:00
Maybe a gnome as the inventor? They have a tendency to create weird and exotic things....
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Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Greybark on 31 December 2002, 09:52:00
Vale Brownies (LLaoihrr) might invent something like the compound bow, but it would never catch on among Brownies.
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Title: Re: Brownie Bow changes
Post by: Winlok on 31 December 2002, 16:21:00
I wrote a story a long time ago, about two elves that wanted to get married. The king at the time was against it, so the elf requested an enchanted bow and armor from another tribe. He then challenged the king to a duel (no one died), but the elf won because of this enchanted bow. Does it have to be invented? This is keeping with the tradition of Tolkien.
Maybe a gnome as the inventor? They have a tendency to create weird and exotic things....
Maybe a gnome as the inventor? They have a tendency to create weird and exotic things....
Title: Re: Bows a start (compounds Added)
Post by: KavaLuun on 02 February 2003, 22:08:00
ok, see if I can't shed some light on this.
interesting thought... I don't think you would get much range out of it, but mabey a good 10 peds, or so...but if you made t out of a real high tensile material, with lots of spring, it would probably be a good weapon to put a fast acting poison into someone if you had a light arrow. probably favored by assasins, because it would also be quiet and easy to conceal.
modern day compounds are used for hunting what we call 3d shoots (targets shaped like animals) and target. and I think a compound is only 1 string through a pulley system, so it looks like 3 strings.
Legolas did a good job of explaining this, but I'll try to shed some light to.
a compound, you're not holding the full weight. (has to do with that pulley system...) but there are a few things that a compound can use that a recurve, or a longbow cant... well, not so much can't but aren't allowed to in modern archery that will allow it to shoot faster (more distance) also the compound has the ability to adjust the draw weight (with the apropriate equipment) which allows it to be change for what the individual needs. so really the draw weight on a compound is a range, mabey 50-60 lbs (depends on the bow.)
Not sure if I really want to ask this question, but, here goes....
interesting thought... I don't think you would get much range out of it, but mabey a good 10 peds, or so...but if you made t out of a real high tensile material, with lots of spring, it would probably be a good weapon to put a fast acting poison into someone if you had a light arrow. probably favored by assasins, because it would also be quiet and easy to conceal.
What is the advantage of such a bow or what kind of bow is it? It is only a sports bow, isn't it so no soldier ever saw any sense in making a 3-stringed bow or am I wrong?
modern day compounds are used for hunting what we call 3d shoots (targets shaped like animals) and target. and I think a compound is only 1 string through a pulley system, so it looks like 3 strings.
Would it not be theorecitaly possable to have a compound bow with the same draw weight as a equivilant standard bow and have it shoot farther?
Legolas did a good job of explaining this, but I'll try to shed some light to.
a compound, you're not holding the full weight. (has to do with that pulley system...) but there are a few things that a compound can use that a recurve, or a longbow cant... well, not so much can't but aren't allowed to in modern archery that will allow it to shoot faster (more distance) also the compound has the ability to adjust the draw weight (with the apropriate equipment) which allows it to be change for what the individual needs. so really the draw weight on a compound is a range, mabey 50-60 lbs (depends on the bow.)
Title: Re: Bows a start (compounds Added)
Post by: KavaLuun on 02 February 2003, 22:11:00
oops, sorry, that first answer was in reply to "would a 7-10 inch bow be practical"