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31  Santharian World Development / Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources / Re: Quellion's Serphelorian Warrior Woman ("Wombat"?) on: 16 January 2009, 11:35:36
Ter'ei'vikh tribe portrait description is in this thread, Art, just under the Serphelorian one:  http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12301.0.html

32  Santharian World Development / Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources / Re: Quellion's Serphelorian Warrior Woman ("Wombat"?) on: 13 January 2009, 14:04:58
 jawdrop  After all the trouble I put you through?  That's very generous, Quellion! hug
33  Santharian World Development / Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources / Re: Quellion's Serphelorian Warrior Woman ("Wombat"?) on: 12 January 2009, 17:10:06
 pet worship thanx clap    Woohoo!    clap thanx worship pet

Thank you so much for your unruffled response to my 'demands', Quellion!  It is fantastic to see this done, and I am so proud to see it - my creation come to life!  This is simply wonderful.

34  Santharian World Development / Places and Map Design / Re: Rimmerins Ring Mountain Chain on: 12 January 2009, 14:56:29
Hi Nsiki,

As I think I mentioned before, it would be better to just concentrate on what actually lives on the Ring mountains, or at least what is inside them.  Small, vaguely associated things like this just add to the needed length and complexity of your work.  You could avoid it by saying something like "many other races live in Sanguia, some even bordering its exterior, but these are covered elsewhere in this compendium".
35  Santharian World Development / Places and Map Design / Re: Rimmerins Ring Mountain Chain on: 11 January 2009, 12:49:39
No need; it's just something to be aware of.  :)
36  Santharian World Development / Places and Map Design / Re: Rimmerins Ring Mountain Chain on: 11 January 2009, 10:12:13
Nsiki, it would make it much easier for those of us who are watching your progress if you could do all this sort of thing in word on your computer, rather than posting  :)  Every time you make this sort of post, it confuses me and makes me think that I shouldn't bother looking every time.  But that would be no good, because I want to help to make sure the Serphelorians fit together properly, and as this is the area where they clashed most in history...  I'm sure you see my dilemma!
37  Santharian World Development / Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources / Re: Quellion's Serphelorian Warrior Woman ("Wombat"?) on: 10 January 2009, 08:59:47
EEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yay!  How exciting! pet I love how this is has turned out!  Unfortunately, I do have three nitpicks; two should be easy enough to fix, but one will be something of a major I suspect.  First, the ones which should be easier:

Tattoo colour

This is a palette I created for Serphelorian tattoos.  The darkest colour is the colour it is when first applied.  It gradually lightens over the woman's life until it reaches the lightest colour after about thirty years (so at about 45 or 50) in an average army woman.  I would guess at this woman's age as about 28.  As she is a champion, her tattoos are likely to be lighter than the average, but they are too light at the moment.

Given this information, I would say her tattoos should be just a little lighter than the middle shade in my palette.  Feel free to make them a little smudgy, too - they should look lived-in, not necessarily perfect.


The city is gorgeous!  I love the buildings in the distance, and the detail you have put in to the port, and the farmed fields.  Just fabulous.  However, one thing I don't see is roads connecting all these lovely little places.  Perhaps you could break up the green with a few dirt tracks, where it makes sense that they would be visible?  The city centre, too, looks very green - I would imagine that by the port it would all be hard-packed earth, as there would be a lot of traffic there.  Perhaps you could just make it a bit browner?

I also wonder why there are so few buildings along the edge of the river, but that is something I can find a way to explain... I think I will be pretty quick in writing an entry for this city; probably also for the strong, confident, handsome woman you have drawn!


And now for the biggy.  I think you must have read Nsiki's comments, but missed mine in response.  Unfortunately he didn't realise that the Serphelorians are not 'mountainous people', or which city you were drawing, before he commented.  Here is a crop of the map:

She is standing at about the dot, and the view behind her is indicated by the arrow.  The town you have drawn so beautifully is Brinsley.  So as you see, no mountains on the other side of that river! 

I hope it will not be too difficult for you to put back in the hills from the previous version - I really hope you don't have to re-draw them from scratch!  As it is winter, they could have some snow on them too, if you like.  Sorry about this! 

I must say though, this is a truly wonderful picture.  I can't wait to see these details ironed out.  It will be such a fabulous addition to the Dream   heart
38  Santharian World Development / Places and Map Design / Re: Rimmerins Ring Mountain Chain on: 07 January 2009, 13:35:51
I see you are also yet to integrate or rebut my comment about sentence structure here Nsiki  :)  Will hope to get a chance to look at it once that has been done.
39  Santharian World Development / History of Caelereth / Re: Question about early history on: 05 January 2009, 11:21:50
Hehe, that one was from the Pacifican and Maori peoples' migration, though they left behind bits of pottery (called Lapita pottery), not metal by which archaeologists have pieced together a possible way they came to New Zealand (where I live).

One lesson which can be taken from the Maori example, perhaps, is that there is unlikely to be a definitive answer.  Different tribes of Maori people have different legends (one being that their ancestor arrived on the back of a whale!), and the people to whom they seem to be most closely related have their own explanations (I heard from a lecturer of mine that she had been told by some Pasifikan people that the Maori are people who got kicked out of Hawaiki (their legendary homeland)).

Here is a link for you to nosey at, if you are interested in reading a little more.  Obviously Santharian accounts of Dwarven origins would be much less clear than our accounts of the Maori, as Santharians don't have radiocarbon dating!  Still, there are of course some elven tribes who might preseve stories of this time.

A report of the different tales you have gathered (including perhaps a couple of rambling accounts from old-timer dwarves?) could make a lovely seperate entry to go in the tribes menu as an associated work, and would really flesh out the sense of the tribe...  just a thought :)

Feel free to hit me up on MSN or the IRC if you want to hear some of the Maori tales I know :)
40  Santharian World Development / History of Caelereth / Re: Question about early history on: 05 January 2009, 08:25:20
I suspect that will be a subject for your imagination, Mordren ;)  Perhaps...

They swam?
They caught a ride on a sea creature?
They tunnelled?
Urtengor showed them the way?
They caught a ride with a Nybelmarian?
Walked down into Aeruillin, entered the void and somehow ended up in Nybelmar?
Bunnyhopped from island to island over thousands of years, leaving a trail of artefacts?
Sailed then lost the technology?
Migrated with elves, orcs or humans?

Or perhaps it is simply unknown.  You could have a lot of fun coming up with conflicting myths...

41  Santharian World Development / History of Caelereth / Re: Question about early history on: 05 January 2009, 07:15:42
First, I need to know whether the entries on F'v'cl'r, the Great Sundering, and the Age of Silence are up to date and accurate.
Yup, as far as I am aware.  These are the basis for a lot of stuff, so they are being built on, not changed.  Not sure about the Nybelmarian stuff so much, but the Santharian stuff will be accurate.

Can't help you with your second question - you may wish to bell-ring Judy if she doesn't find this herself in a few days.

Thirdly, where is the empire of F'v'cl'r supposedly located? It seems to be in the current Shadow Marshes of Northern Sarvonia. Is this correct?
  Yup  :)

Lastly, are there any Dev. maps of what Caelereth looked like before the War of the Chosen? Where was everything located on the ancient mass continent? The Ylossian entry mentions the Tandala Highlands, but they could not possibly have been located in the same place as they are today.
  Here you are - see if these help: http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,8939.0.html

Any help here is greatly appreciated.
  My pleasure  grin
42  Santharian World Development / Places and Map Design / Re: The Rimmerins Ring on: 04 January 2009, 06:41:40
Just so you know, Nsiki, the reason I suggested you do only the Rings mountains is because by focussing on one aspect, and leaving out the people, you will be able to research more thoughrouly, and be more accurate and detailed, thereby ending with a better contribution to the Dream.

My advice still stands, that you focus on the mountains only.

Also, when you say 'barring history', that becomes difficult.  If you have looked at the maps I sent you, you will see how the history of the places shapes what they will be like now.  For example, it would be impossible for the Avennorian influence here to be ignored, in all areas but particularly if you are looking at more than just the landscape.  In the context of written history, I am referring to, for example, the events of 10330-9800 b.S., and perhaps even more to the point, of 477 b.S. and its consequent changes.
43  Organization and General Discussions / The Southern Sarvonian Continent / Re: The Duchies and Fiefs of Manthria on: 02 January 2009, 18:50:29
@Art:  Oh good!  Very useful!  

@Talia:  I don't think it necessarliy needs to have a seperate duchy.  We haven't said yet when these boundaries were drawn, although I would imagine it was very early in the history of Santharia, at the time when the provinces were drawn.  I think this was during Santhros' reign, but I'm not sure.  As Ravenport is not yet written, we can just say that Ravenport was not a big city when these boundaries are drawn.  

If it was already a big city, then it still doesn't need its own administrative area; Ravenport could just be the biggest city in the Duchy of Margulf, and probably the seat of the Duke.  

Either way, Ravenport's attitudes to not having its own administrative area could be an interesting section in a corresponding person or place entry!
44  Organization and General Discussions / Organizational Schedules / Re: Development Schedule - Grunok on: 02 January 2009, 15:15:38
Updated 2 January 2009.
45  Santharian World Development / Places and Map Design / Re: The Rimmerins Ring on: 02 January 2009, 14:55:14
Okay Nsiki, I have had a look over this and I have some concerns - not about your writing, but about the shape of this submission.  It is a massive entry, and not one which, in my opinion, should be written as a whole.  There is just too much for one entry: too much to read, and too much to write.  A better use of your time would be to limit this entry to a description of the Ring mountains themselves, similar to this entry on the Mithril mountains in Manthria.  This would then be useful to other developers, and you would find you get more comments.

The research you have done so far will by no means be wasted; it will inform what you write about the mountains.  They have a very colourful history, which it is very important to have clearly in your mind before you write this place, as it is central is so many ways to Santharia as it is today.  I also expect that you would then go one to write entries about places inside or near the Ring after this.

Things which I think you should focus on in this entry are the climate, resources, history, flora and fauna.  These are hugely important, and what you write about them in this entry will say what can be written about the places and people which lie in these mountains' shadow. 

The location section should be heavily emphasised, too.  The Ring is huge!  Tell us about the distances involved.  Tell us how many strals, but also tell us about distances in real terms.  How long does it take to circumnavigate it, inside or out?  How long does it take to climb to Blueheart dungeon? To cross it in any given direction?  To do this, use the scale at the bottom of the map and note that a human man, on foot and relatively unencumbered, walks at approximately 6 strals per hour on paved ground, and can walk for about 9 hours per day at a normal (not forced) rate, if they are used to travelling.

Towns and settlements which are not on the mountains themselves should be left out of this entry, as well government, Coats of Arms, and any sort of detailed look at races and people.  These are better addressed in the entries specific to the places and areas.

I hope this makes sense to you.  What are your thoughts?
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