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1  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / ... on: 11 February 2003, 19:36:00
I compleatly understand your concern, the reason I didn't specify any cultures is for the simple reason of how new I am.  I do not know enough about any of the cultures to make any inferences as to what they would use, although I did see quite a few recurves in use by Elves in LOTR (here's a nice example)

I believe that's Legolas' bow...
but anyways, I believe the recurve was made originally in englad, although because it was so much harder and more expensive to make then a long bow (just look at the pictures) that it never really did see much action during medieval times.  

if someone does want to connect a recurve to a certain race, or society, probably the best qualities would be that is can be made to look a lot more decorative then other types of bows, and it's a lot more "fluent" in draw and shot.  it has a lot more curves, and it's a lot smoother then other types of bow.  and it would be the mark of good craftsmanship.

and yeah, that was one of the best parts of the movie, is that you could tell an elven sword from a dwarven sword.  and also the styles were very much like the races they came from.  for example, the dwarves designs were very square, and streight.  a lot of right angles, while the elves were curved and smooth.

2  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / Brownies. on: 08 February 2003, 18:31:00
I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand the question about Brownies at the time, but I just read the information, so lets see what solutions I can think of.


here's kind of an interesting idea, since Brownies are so small, the distence will be less, but if accuracy is your key, there are some ways to get around that.

first of all, The arrow is a very important part in accuracy.  mabey instead of having the Key to the accuracy in the Bow, have it in the arrows.  for example, if an arrow is bent, then it won't fly as streight.  same with if the flights/fletches aren't aligned properly.  

I say, mabey the Brownies are extreamly good at making streight, light (I'l explain that in a second) and extreamly accurate arrows.  in wich turn, increases the accuracys of their bows.

now, the next idea, comes from the pure size.  for that size, the drawweight is extreamly large.  which in this case is a good thing.  you see, 2 inch arrows shot from a bow with that kind of drawweight, may not go that far, in big people terms, but they will go FAST.  and a higher velocity basically means tighter groups (I got that when I increased the pundage onmy bow.)  which is more accurate.  so if there's a wood they can use that's like balsa wood, except a little stronger, then they could use that.  which would give the arrows practically no weight, and they will fly.

just a thought.

3  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / there ya go on: 08 February 2003, 18:08:00
there ya go, I knew I was forgetting something.

4  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / ok... on: 07 February 2003, 20:35:00
alright, here we go.

most of the bosw section I left alone.  on the whole I thouht it was written really well.  so I'll only post the differences here.

if you want to view the entire re-write, it is here

basically the first thing I changed, was to take out anything that had to do with the compound, by the sounds of what you guys were saying, it wasn't the most popular selection, and it's my main recomendation to take it out.  I personally think a compound would be to difficult, to precise, and have to much streess to be built in a fantasy setting.  

I added a little blurb on the end of the flights, about the different noises they made.

I added the recurve.  (description basically what I said in the original post)

I added the information I told you about the cross bow, and changed the ranges around a little bit, to make them a little more reasonable to my estimates.  

the final change I mad was the addition of a "of shooting the bow" section.  designed to give a little information on how to shoot a bow.  

I can post exact quotes for any one who requests.

do note, these are only recomendations, weather you accept them or not is up to you.  (and if that other guy comes back, he may have something to say about it.)

5  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / sure on: 05 February 2003, 18:06:00
I'll deffinatly see what I can do.  

I'll read it over again, and hopefully post my recomendations within the next couple of days. (fully justified of coarse.)

6  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / some help for the bows section on: 02 February 2003, 19:36:00
just like to say hello to everyone, this is my first post, and firsttime onthe site. I thought you could use some help with the bows section.

I was just passing by (a friend said your resident archery expert left, and asked me to take a look at the bows and stuff, and give my opinnion.

(I've been a competative archer for 6 years, shooting for 9. so I do know something about the sport.)

do note, I havn't read much into the world, so you'll have to excuse if I say anything that is wrong as far as the different world is concerned.

first of all, I was extreamly surprised at the sight of a compound bow in the descriptions, it just seems rather odd in a fantasy setting, though I'm sure this is an argument had many times over, so I won't argue it again.

one thing that should be mensioned though with a compound is let off. once the cams "turn over" the archer is actually holding a lot les of the draw weight. (sometimes the let off is as much as 80%) which allows a much heavyer bow to be fired without the archer getitng tired, and without him feeling the effects of a heavyer bow (like shaking)
higher draw weight = higher velocity = more acurate

also I do believe that the compound string is one long string that goes through the pulley/cam system, so that it looks like there are 3 strings. but my compliments on the mention of a bow press, and the fact that if you loose a string you're screwed.

personally, the ranges look a little off to me. a crossbow should be able to fire a lot farther then a compound bow. probably around 6 or 7 dash (though I don't know that much of crossbows, that sounds about right bassed off the draweighs you get.) and also crossbows should be more along the lins of 150-175 ob (please correct me if I'm using wrong units anywhere here...) and there should also be a coment that they are a lot easyer to fire, and more acurate, because everything is the same, for every shot. and also you should note, that if compond bosw can be used, that a crossbow can use a "limb of any of the other types of bows. though most comonly they would be recurve (which I will get to right about now.)

The third thing that stuck out is anouther main type of bow, and my personal favorite (it's what I shoot.) and that is the Recurve.  getting it's name from the shape of the limbs, it is more acurate then a short, long, composite, or brownie bow, because of 2 main things, 1 the way the limbs bend. (I'm not certain of this next part, but I think...) the shape allows them to bend in the same spot, which allows for a more consisten release of the power. the second bit, is that the arrow rest (where the arrow sits on) is aligned with the center of the bow (though it's not a hole in it...)so the bow doesn't have to be canted or tilted when it's shot.

The recurve would be harder to make, because it's a lot more sculptured then a long bow, but it's a good midway point between the inacuracys of a long bow, and the complexity of a compound. um, maximum draw weight would be about 60od minimum around 10, and max range would be about 1 dash.

and also to note, a 10od draw weight will get you mabey 25 peds max. unless there's something about these browny bows that I don't kno. (which I'll assume)

anouther good comment would be about the different ways of actually shooting a bow. of which there are basically 3.

1) instinctual : the way the true masters shoot. the entire focus is on the target, no part of the bow, and you aim by what "feels right" it's a style that's developed over time, and you work on feeling.

2)semi instinctual: you use a part of the bow, or the tip of the arrow to align, but it is very rarely over the target. it's a reference for about where the arrow will go, nothing more. the true aiming is still instinctual.

3) sighted: the arrow, part of the bow, or aditional aparatus is used to aim at the target, or a specific point. sometime is not considerd as efficient, because on the battle feild you will have to "find your mark" or "sight in" which is finding the point at which you aim, depending on distence, wind speed, and other variables. which will take a few shots, inevitably wasting arrows. however ones the mark is found, it is more consistent then the other two.

also there are different forms and ways of drawing the bow, I would recomend having different races use different methods, and styles. mabey have the elves focus on being streight and fluent, whereas the humans consider ballence most important when shooting, but I don't knwo the races well enough to dictate what they should think.

just my 2 cents worth (and mabey a little bit more) I hope I didn't bore you people to death. feel free to use any quotes Ive given, but be careful sing the picture, I got the basic picture from www.pse-archery.com (it's a bow they sell) and then alterd it, so it may still be under their copyrights. and once again, excuse my ignorence about the world. especially if I got the units mixed up.

7  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / Re: Bows a start (compounds Added) on: 02 February 2003, 22:11:00
oops, sorry, that first answer was in reply to "would a 7-10 inch bow be practical"

8  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / Re: Bows a start (compounds Added) on: 02 February 2003, 22:08:00
ok, see if I can't shed some light on this.

Not sure if I really want to ask this question, but, here goes....

interesting thought... I don't think you would get much range out of it, but mabey a good 10 peds, or so...but if you made t out of a real high tensile material, with lots of spring, it would probably be a good weapon to put a fast acting poison into someone if you had a light arrow.  probably favored by assasins, because it would also be quiet and easy to conceal.

What is the advantage of such a bow or what kind of bow is it? It is only a sports bow, isn't it so no soldier ever saw any sense in making a 3-stringed bow or am I wrong?

modern day compounds are used for hunting what we call 3d shoots (targets shaped like animals) and target.  and I think a compound is only 1 string through a pulley system, so it looks like 3 strings.

Would it not be theorecitaly possable to have a compound bow with the same draw weight as a equivilant standard bow and have it shoot farther?

Legolas did a good job of explaining this, but I'll try to shed some light to.

a compound, you're not holding the full weight.  (has to do with that pulley system...) but there are a few things that a compound can use that a recurve, or a longbow cant... well, not so much can't but aren't allowed to in modern archery that will allow it to shoot faster (more distance)  also the compound has the ability to adjust the draw weight (with the apropriate equipment) which allows it to be change for what the individual needs. so really the draw weight on a compound is a range, mabey 50-60 lbs (depends on the bow.)

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