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1  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / Re: The Black Gnomes of Northern Sarvonia on: 27 February 2009, 00:35:36
Thanks, Azhira. As my religious concept for them is rather broad, it will require a lot of wordy explanation... perhaps it will indeed need a seperate entry to do it justice.

As for the rest of the entry, it's coming along slowly, but once again high school is taking its toll on me. So while I am working on it, don't expect anything major soon.
2  Organization and General Discussions / Announcements and Web Design / Re: Site Update 08-02-2009 Cancelled on: 08 February 2009, 00:24:29
I hope you get well soon, Art!  :)
3  Santharian World Development / Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources / Re: Masterbard Is Going To Strangle Me on: 01 February 2009, 08:39:02
Yep, it's simply a Gnomic variation. Nothing to see here, folks!  :)

...Right, Judy?
4  Santharian World Development / People of the World of Caelereth / Re: Soros the Stranger Alchemist on: 24 January 2009, 07:47:33
Gaffin, I must disappoint you a little bit... Soros is not a gnome, but human. And by "tablets of the elements" I mean "The Tabulata Peryodiq of Santharia". But anyway, thank you for editing my entry. I think I'll fix it soon!!!  grin thumbup

I could have sworn it said 'gnome' at the beginning.  shocked
5  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / Re: The Black Gnomes of Northern Sarvonia on: 24 January 2009, 06:48:42
Thanks for the comments, guys!  thumbup

Some changes, edits and additions have been made, but there is still more I wish to add to both the People and Religion sections once I get time to put them into words.

In the meantime, I have one major concern with the entry so far, and that is how it flows; in partcular, the last two sections. They are quite large and contain many different ideas - and because of that, I feel as if I'm rambling on. If anyone can comment on this or offer any ideas to remedy it, it'd be greatly appreciated.  ;)
6  Santharian World Development / People of the World of Caelereth / Re: Soros the Stranger Alchemist on: 24 January 2009, 06:35:47
Hey, I'm glad to see someone else take an interest in developing gnomes! As you can see, we are a tad odd over here but can have just as much fun as everyone else! (Moreso, in my opinion - although I'm biased!  :P)

I guess many consider me to be an authority on gnomes, and although that is far from the truth, I will humbly offer my advice.

I'm feeling pink today!
And lime green will be for grammatical changes.

Soros the Stranger Alchemist This title is a little confusing. Is he a stranger, or is he strange and mysterious? Either way, you might want to explain it better so that we can come up with a title that is more aesthetically pleasing. Additionally, 's' is not used often according to our revised rules of Gnomic, so you may want to alter his name a little... 'Zorzo' has a nice ring to it.
(1649 a.S. - our days) This is a litle young for a gnome, especially one who is influential enough to warrant a Compendium entry. Perhaps you can bump this up a few decades or so?


Soros is an alchemist about whom not much is known, because of his secretness and mysteriousness. Soros tries to keep his alchemical studies secret, so as to prevent them from falling into the hands of others and therefore know that only he will have reward This is a very awkward statement; how about something like "He tries to keep his alchemical studies secret, so as to prevent them from falling into the hands of others, to ensure that they will only be accredited to him." , if his discoveries will bring something special and important to the inhabitants of Santharia. As a Erpheronian he gained his weird name, and because of his secretness everyone simply refers to him as "The Stranger Alchemist." Of course, those who see in a more positive light call him simply, "The Young Alchemist", and these people are mainly the elderly. Why are these people usually old? Why do they like him?

This is a vague overview. All that I can learn from it is that he is an alchemist, and that he gained his title from being so secretive about his works... Tidy it up and add a few more details and it should be fine.  :)

Because of his young age he did nothing special, yet. Although some of the people say that in his house, living alone, he have lots of different things and that he tries to discover the secrets of alchemy in it's roots. Through long studies of alchemy Soros descovered many interesting things about the properties of the elements, but he still can't explain some things, with which he will go down in history, yet, not knowing about that.

Why is he important enough to write a Compendium entry for if he hasn't done anything special? Not only that, but how do they know that he has made "interesting" discoveries about the elements even though he is so secretive?


Soros is approximately 185 cm high We use different units to measure height in Santharia, which you can find here, and is a young man, who has a heavily muscled body, which he gained during his childhood while helping his father, who was a smith. He also likes some certain colours, so called, semi-tints and thunder colours. I assume you meant "He likes to dress in some certain colours." As for 'semi-tints and thunder colours...' please explain! Thunder-blue and grey fit him best, because he always try to wear outfit with these colours. These colours fit him best because he always tries to wear them? That doesn't explain it very well! Please elaborate on this. He usually wears a shirt, trousers, shoes and, when he make his experiments, gloves to make sure that will not get poisoned or injured.

"You can't be sure about matter that is in this vial!!!"

This sentence is confusing, but shouldn’t be there anyway – remember, we’re not telling a story, we’re writing an encyclopedia entry.

At the age of thirteen, while he was helping to his father as an apprentice, his parents began to notice that Soros have bad eyesight, and had to buy him glasses that he never takes off. These glasses also serve as eye protection during his experiments with volatile substances.


It seems that Soros is able to understand everything, and indeed, holds his own opinions that are often contrary to popular views on life. He likes to argue and, not being cantankerous, he has made some secret and ferocious enemies. Is there something to these rivalries other than him being shy? Why don’t you explain this, and perhaps mention some of these enemies specifically? Also, just a note: I’ve noticed that you use the word “secret” and “secretive” a lot; please replace some of these with other adjectives, as it tends to get stale and distracts from the rest of the entry. He considers it natural that there would be a huge variety of opinions about everything. Soros instinctively rises up against some certain standards and, if there is a chance, changes accepted orders - even in society and government. He is interested in social problems and reforms of all kinds, and also has unusual views on life. You’ve said that already – perhaps you can use this spot to explain the above statements a little better

This is not related to the rest of the above, and should be put into its own paragraph. It is not simple for him to make friends, because of his views and personality in general. Soros is hardly more materially wealthy than other people, and is more or less uninterested in gaining money; although if he receives some, He will make surprisingly masterful use of it. If not much is known about Soros, how do we know this? Soros's only weaknesses are his nervousness, loneliness, and his melancholic attitude. He doesn’t actually have real friends, although if there are some, he is very faithful to them. He always stands on the side of those who are downtrodden and humiliated. This is slightly contradictive; he doesn’t have any real friends, but if he did, he would be very faithful to them. Please fix up this entire section so that it’s less confusing, and also suits the mysterious nature of our alchemist.


22nd Sleeping Dreameress 1649 a.S. - 1654 a.S.: "Soros's Birth and Childhood":

It was a warm Sleeping Dreameress day when in the early morning, with the first rays of Sun, in Erpheronian city of Voldar, born Soros the Stranger Alchemist in the house of "The Smith and Tailor". It was the house where Soro spent the most time of his life. He was raised by his mother - Amara the Tailor, who was an excellent tailor and who also had some secrets of good manners. But Soros's father was a strong and handsome blacksmith - Noroc the Smith, who mastered the craft of blacksmith and repairing swords, cauldrons and many other things, even gold. Soros's childhood is very short only until the age four, because then his father, began to teach him what it is being a blacksmith and how to master this difficult craft. Although, mother on the other hand, thought him some rules about how to be polite and how to sew holes in the shirts and how to make something like a fancy dress or other kind of clothing. At first Soros didn't like the craft of his father, but everything changed at age five.

There are a number of problems with this paragraph. Firstly, I don’t think that Voldar is a place that many gnomes would take up residence – not to say it’s impossible. In addition, blacksmithing is a very unusual job for any kind of gnome and doesn’t suit their physique well at all; this should be changed to something more reasonable. I’m not going to fix the grammar in these sections until you iron out the rest of their problems.

1654 a.S. - 1656 a.S. - "Soros find his real interest in...":

At age five, Soros understood the craft of his father and his mother, therefore he began to help them in every way he could. He, especially, turned his attention to the fathers blacksmith craft, because he could understood why iron can be shaped in almost every form and when it gets cool it doesn't change it's shape back. In his mind started to appear many questions about the properties of any substance. He wanted to know why after some time silver become grey and not shinny. And such other questions occupied his mind, but he still helped to his parents and asked them about the nature of substances.

Again; gnomes are not be blacksmiths, so I think you will have to change this in some way to fit them better.

1656 a.S. - 1662 a.S. - "Soros begin his apprenticeship among scholars":

After two years, Soros learned how to write and began to have his own notes on the nature of substances, which are in his location and his parents couldn't notice that. That because they brought him to scholars, who, after some time, gladly took Soros as their apprentice and started to teach him about the nature of nature and many other things.

Remember that gnomes live much longer and take longer to mature than humans. As such, apprenticeships don’t start until much later.

1662 a.S. - 1667 a.S. - "Soros receive his eyesight problems and the death of his parents":

At the age of thirdteen, one day Soros arrived home from the studies and, as he did it in past, helped to his parents. But in the same day, something happened in his father's workshop, where were they both - Soros and his father. A piece of iron accidentally seceded from the father's anvil and flew into Soros's eye and since that day Soros's sight began to get worse with every day. That because his parents bought him glasses, which could help him to see better. But at the end of the year, during his stay near scholars, Soros received a message about his parents death - some kind group of thieves broke into their house and assassinated both Soros's parents and stold many things. The grief in Soros's heart was painful and last for many years.

1667 a.S. - "Soros recovery and the beginnings of his own life":

After five years Soros's grief stood back and his mental health slowly recovered and Soros at the age of eighteen finished his advanced studies and started his own life, which he is even now spending as an alchemist with advanced knowledges about alchemy, living in his parents house, but father's workshop he turned into his own laboratory or alchemists work and study room.


Some believe that it was his idea to create a tablets of the elements, which are known in Santharia. Although some say that he is just another liar, because such young person couldn't think about the creation of "The Tabulata Peryodiq of Santharia". But some people, especially scholars, believe that he have not bad knowledge about alchemy and they also believe, that Soros will be able to bring to the inhabitants of Santharia more, new and important discoveries.

The Table of Elements is a very, very old text, and its origins are mysterious. Therefore, Soros could not have created it and indeed, does not come from a suitable background to be able to come up with such an idea. In addition to this, some aspects of the entry are flawed in accordance with the rest of the Santharian mythology; please do some more research and fix these up.

All in all, this could turn out to be a worthy addition if you stick with it. Your primary worry at this time should be fixing all of the falsities and inconsistencies with the entry, and write a bit more in order to give us a better picture of him. You’ll also need to come up with some other reason for why he is being written about in the first place. After that is accomplished, we can help you iron out the grammar and sentence structure. This is a good start, and be sure to give me a heads up when you’ve made some edits! :)
7  Organization and General Discussions / Non-Santharian Stuff: Life, the Universe & Everything / Re: Santharia in The Real World - Round Four... on: 23 January 2009, 06:49:48
Hahaha! Great job, Judy - quite an entertaining read. I particularly liked the answers.com page about scorpions.  rolleyes
8  Santharian World Development / Languages and Runes / Re: New Gnomic Vocabulary Here! (new thread, only words please!) on: 22 January 2009, 10:00:43
Yep, I think that'll work. hanks!  :) thumbup
9  Santharian World Development / Languages and Runes / Re: New Gnomic Vocabulary Here! (new thread, only words please!) on: 22 January 2009, 03:58:16
Just a thought - where are we going to show the various forms of the verbs?

Anyway, I have an idea for 'mirim.'

to reflect

mirimzer - to reflect something
mirimzergar - to reflect someone
zermirim - ?

mirimzor - to resemble something
mirimzorgar - to resemble someone
zormirim - ?
garzormirim - to ponder

mirimziir - familiar
10  Santharian World Development / Languages and Runes / Re: Gnomish Vocabulary and Grammar Discussion on: 22 January 2009, 03:41:50
Ok: reguzi is the noun "authority"
      reguzim is the rootword for the different verbs, but conjugates exactly as I had previously stated.

That looks like it will work, Judy. My only qualm is that with the more complex verbs, like 'reguzergar.'

Example: Brogur brog reguzergarxi, I appointed him.

It might make verbs a little hard to read, but I can probably get the hang of it.
11  Santharian World Development / Languages and Runes / Re: New Gnomish Vocabulary Here! on: 21 January 2009, 04:18:51
I'm a little confused by your above post. Have we decided to do away with the 'im' and 'in' prefixes for verbs and adjectives?

A slight addition of my own:

reguzi (n)
- authority
(After Rome's 'rex', meaning 'king.')

In Gnomic, reguzi is often used in titles of prominence. For example, Archalchemist (this is a pseudo-name): alkemizt reguzi

reguzergar - to give authority to someone
garzereguz - to make a resolution, to make an important personal choice; to be determined
reguzer - to appoint; to make official
zereguz - to be given prominence or authority through luck or inheritance

garzoreguz - to be obsessed or consumed with someone (a sentient being)
reguzorgar - to practice authority; to rule over someone
zoreguz - to be ruled by something; to be obsessed with or consumed by something
reguzor - to practice or show authority (unspecific)

garziireguz - to be in control of one's self; to have self-discipline
reguziir - authoritative; to be in control of something (an object or situation, for example)
reguzigar (irregular) - to be in control of someone

I hope I haven't made any mistakes, but sometimes this system can become quite an exercise for the mind.

EDIT: For some of those 'zor' verbs, the definitions seem kind of questionable. If I could get a second opinion on them that'd be great.


Ok, I think that it's time to decide our next course of action once everybody gets back into the development routine. I would recommend that we solidify our sentence structure first of all, and decide what rules to keep from old Gnomish and which to change. I'm rather mortified at the idea of having to conjugate my verbs after already figuring out the proper 'form' to use for a specific idea, so perhaps we can do away with that or modify it in some way to be more simple.

Basically, I think it would make this a much easier endeavour if we iron out the basics so that we can start beefing up our vocabulary without any real trouble.

Once you get time, feel free to toss in some of your own ideas and discuss what to do with Rayne's old syntax.

Just a quick thought - I was thinking having our language as Subject Object Verb (SOV) would be kind of neat. For example:

Brog brogur reguzergar

Literally translated, meaning "he gives me authority."

Another example:

Brogur gremil garzoreguz

Translates rougly into, "I obsess over you."
12  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / The Black Gnomes of Northern Sarvonia on: 15 January 2009, 04:57:37
I decided to take the initiative and throw something definitive into the mix, seeing how everything that we have up to this point is fragmentary and incomplete. All aspects of this entry are up to debate and discussion, but please note that I have other concepts and ideas that I simply have not implemeted into this entry itself yet.

Special thanks to Azhira, Mannix, Judith, Alysse and anyone else who offered their input. Hopefully this is at least remotely representative of what the final entry will look like.


Overview. Nestled within the reaches of the Vindel Mountains live an enigmatic and oft-overlooked people. These solitary and diminutive figures are, to many in the south no more than the stuff of songs and tales, a source of macabre rumour; to others, the shadow of a threat; a whisper of darkness carried by the swift winds. But, ridiculous as these claims may be, many of them have some base of truth.

The Black Gnomes of Northern Sarvonia are undoubtedly an abnormal people, whose shrouded ways have given rise to irrational supposition among the civilized peoples of Santharia. But the knowledge that has been gathered of them supports the notion of a hardy, innovative society with many unique merits of its own, including productive trade, unique traditions and beliefs, and a fascinatingly complex system of alchemy comparable - in many respects - to that of the Gnorians. Naturally curious and resourceful, Black Gnomes share with their southern counterparts the innate desire to unlock the mysteries of the elements and apply them to their daily lives.

However, as similarities are apparent between the two cultures, their differences are even more so. Black Gnomes are bulky, tough and animalistic, and possess skin ranging from dark brown to jet black; their hair is mostly long and unkempt, kept thick against the cool climate of the local region; and clothing often consists of simple articles made with fur. Due to their isolation, these gnomes have to fight a constant battle against their surroundings, leading to the necessity of skilled hunters and trade workers in order to maintain the health of the tribe.

The Black Gnomes are, in principal, the bizarre result of a race that has altered its beliefs and way of life in order to better survive the unforgiving Northlands.

Appearance. One of the most apparent physical attributes of the Black Gnomes is the tone of their skin; similar to the Kanapan men in the south, their hue ranges from dark brown to jet black. With faces unseemly, thick eyebrows crown their bulbous eyes and nasty black boils dominate their visage. This affliction, which they refer to as “The Plague”, also causes the nose to swell considerably. Its origin remains uncertain despite zealous research by gnomish alchemists, but a therapeutic cream has been developed which reduces its effects, if only marginally. As a result, those with clearer skin are considered enviably beautiful in Black Gnome society.

Typically, gnomish hair is light in colour, the majority being either white or grey. It is considered insignificant and usually neglected, kept long and unkempt - however, some female warriors prefer to cut and tie their hair in some way to prevent it from being a hindrance during the hunt. Most males also allow their beards to grow long, in order to cover the unsightly boils that they bear. These too are left filthy and untamed.

Akin to the rest of their race, the Black Gnomes are built small and nimble. The average male stands slightly over a ped, and can reach up to half a ped taller. Additionally, this northern variation is built with stronger and stockier limbs, and the females - who, for reasons unknown, undergo an extra period of growth before peaking in height - can maintain a figure comparable to that of a dwarf.

Coat of Arms. N/A

Territory. Popular theory dictates that the Black Gnomes are found exclusively in the southeastern corner of Northern Sarvonia, near the Vindel Mountains and around Chapel Fjord. It is thought that until recently, a low population prevented the gnomes from spreading to other areas - and in addition to their relationship with the Kanapan men they saw no benefit in doing so.

With recent rises in population due to a more sophisticated way of life – due, in some part to their contact with Santharia - some groups have begun to spread both south and east in order to alleviate some of the congestion among the primary settlements. These sub-tribes have been observed to be very small, and most do not exceed a dozen members strong; but their relatively close proximity allows them to maintain collaboration with their peers and slowly grow in prosperity at the same time. Eventually, these tribes may become “proxies” of a sort, revolving around a larger central hub – but the realization of such a possibility is still a long way off.

People. The Black Gnomes are very reclusive and wary when it comes to outside contact; indeed, even though they conduct significant trade with the Kanapan, their southern neighbors know very little of what occurs within their society - and it is important to note that due to their tendency to isolate themselves, field expeditions to Black Gnome tribes are few and far between.

In order to enter a settlement, one must present an object of worth; not coin or silk or other symbols of wealth, but a trinket of elaborate, handcrafted design, or an impressive tool. The gnomes value material items above all else, and this challenge is undergone in order to exhibit the worthiness of a visitor. If one does not arrive with such a symbol of prowess or craftsmanship, they will not pass the borders of the land. This is where traders are stopped; at small designated stations - and any attempt to pass unbidden is swiftly thwarted by the imposing warriors that guard it.

As Black Gnomes revere material items, so too they honour those who create them. Craftsmen and artisans are highly respected – and in fact, the majority of gnomish men elect to pursue a practice in one of these or a related field. The implications of this infatuation are manifold; they give rise to an extremely productive society, in which every member is contributing to growth and innovation, and a unique approach to alchemy produces results rivaling those of the Gnorians. As such, creations of the Black Gnomes are of high quality and effectiveness. Visiting scholars are not allowed to carry back any items of high tribal value, which hinders the further study of these creations; nonetheless, recent gnomish researchers have included within their notes brief explanations of a few marvelous brews, leading to the popular belief that they produce almost magical results.

Because Gnomish men dedicate much of their time to craft, the women must tend to other duties, such as the upkeep and protection of the tribe. Their physique makes them ideal candidates for this; females undergo an extra bout of growth before maturity, granting them the strength and endurance to perform strenuous tasks more efficiently than most men. Because of this, it is typically Black Gnome men who focus on science and craft, while the women assume the role of the warrior, and attend to the general needs of the tribe. However, as gender is a non-issue in this culture, men and women are free to pursue whatever interests them best.

One of the most fascinating aspects of the Black Gnomes is their almost backward philosophy; they are able to seize hackneyed values that we take for granted and twist them into something of strangely equal effectiveness. A prime example of this is the act of mating. It is considered by the gnomes to be one of the greatest acts of creation imaginable, to form that which in its own turn can also create. Because of this, it is treated almost as any other craft, rather than the union between two lovers. Mature women are always given the right to select their partner, based upon his skill as a craftsman – and while the man is free to refuse, most do not pass down what they consider to be a great honour.

Once the proposal is accepted, preparations are made for the ceremony – not for that of marriage; the Black Gnomes do not maintain a bond such as this – but for the act of mating itself. During this ritual, the entire tribe is present and encircles the couple as they undergo the ceremony. It varies between each instance, but normally the onlookers sing or chant while this occurs.

The religious beliefs of the Black Gnomes give rise to very bizarre customs. As their worship is fundamentally focused on reality and the material, the gnomes consider pain to be the most pure state of being; the greatest sensation conceivable. Because of this it is a major focus of the Black Gnomes to introduce pain into their everyday lifestyles. Cutting one’s body with a ceremonial knife and spreading salt over the wounds are mere examples of how they express their devotion to the reality of the world, and all of its components. Not surprisingly, Black Gnomes have one of the highest tolerations for pain observed among sentient species in all of Caelereth.

Due to these beliefs, there exist no concrete laws to punish bad moral or ethical behaviour; Black Gnomes focus more on determining one’s place in relation to the rest of the world than on strong moral goodness. The ambiguous nature of their ideals does not hinder the development of their society, though – in fact, this concentration on individual improvement and this desire to become one with reality is so consuming and rapturous that, although petty crime and theft may not be uncommon, the locals live in greater coexistence than even the most harmonious of southern cities.

Religion. Outwardly, the Black Gnomes exhibit no apparent traits of religious belief; no totems or idols adorn their settlements, no prayers are spoken, and no days are set aside for worship. At first glance, it appears as if the tribe has no semblance of faith in that which is beyond our world at all. However, upon closer inspection it becomes apparent that they do share common beliefs, although their methods of expressing these are unusual.

In the shallowest of explanations, the Black Gnomes revere all that which composes our world; they value material wealth, physical stimulation and the provocation of the senses. Every aspect of the gnomes’ culture is based upon these foundations, so what may first appear to be an absence of faith is simply celebration of life in every respect. Ironically, the Black Gnome people can be considered one of the most devout and dedicated on the whole northern continent, as they do not separate lifestyle and religion; in all practicality, the two can be considered the same…

According to the Black Gnome tribe, the six senses are mortality; whatever one can experience through these senses is reality, and they act as anchors to the world as we know it. Through their complete removal, one’s essence - translated as “the Self” – is truly at one with the world.

Additionally, they say that Caelereth is made of a finite and theoretically quantitative amount of “life materials,” and the entire world is a combination of these. The gnomes explain that when all of the senses are removed through death, the life materials of a sentient being are thrust back into “True Reality.” The foundation of Black Gnome religion, this True Reality is referred to as the pure form of all being; a great stream, moving at an unimaginable speed. Within this stream, the life materials of an individual can eventually be lost, recycled and returned, composing completely separate objects and effectively losing sentience. But if one retains sentience, then one may experience the perpetual blissfulness and stimulation that results from the absence of the senses.

As a result, to remain in the True Reality and experience its careless euphoria, a person is required in life to “distill” their being, transferring enough of their essence to physical objects so as to enter True Reality as pure as possible – in other words, one must create in order to be, imparting a piece of themselves into each item and hoping to leave enough behind to act as a drawing force. Eventually, given that the being in question is pure enough, he or she will be violently cast out of the moving stream and back into their own body; as long as one continues to do this through each life, one can traverse the cycle an indefinite amount of times.

In relation to these concepts, the gnomes consider pain to be a form of communication with the world, a crude way to experience one aspect of True Reality - which is why they are so enamored with the sensation and include it in every aspect of their lives.
13  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / Re: Temperature - Measuring, Calibrating, and Units on: 14 January 2009, 08:01:30
I'd love to try my hand at an entry for Periklesius once I'm finished what I'm currently doing. He sounds like a most interesting fellow! :D thumbup
14  Santharian World Development / The Santharian Bestiary / Re: A new proposal! on: 13 January 2009, 09:34:44
I'm kind of wary of the idea of a flying mount in Northern Sarvonia. Wouldn't this kind of completely discombobulate transportation and everything it encompasses (trade, culture, etc.)? Can't it just be a giant predator bird?
15  Santharian World Development / Languages and Runes / Re: New Gnomish Vocabulary Here! on: 09 January 2009, 10:56:09
I know that people are probably busy with real life, and with the Santharian Awards under way they probably aren't too interested in providing input right now, but... I'm just bumping to remind you that this is still under way.
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