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1  Santharian World Development / The Santharian Bestiary / Re: And Talia's Post Nr 8000 - the Wlop...or Wolp.. on: 18 June 2008, 13:01:30
I know this is... 59 posts late but....


Okay, carry on.
2  Santharian World Development / Miscellaneous / Re: The Climate Discussion- Please Sticky this on: 18 June 2008, 12:55:37
And yet the Santharians have completely dissected magic to the point where they can teach it in a methodical, practical manner.  If they can do this, I highly doubt that they have not used their magic for scientific purposes.  I find it "unrealistic" that Santharians would not have developed a measure of temperature by now.  I think the direction Judith and Talia are going is marvelous.  Keep it simple, and make it relevant to medieval/renaissance interests.

Though perhaps we could think a little more out of the box on what we base the measurements on?  I was thinking, perhaps the temperature wood catches fire, or maybe when iron melts, or perhaps even when humans begin to perspire?  Maybe when a brownie combusts? *chuckles*  I think the heat at which iron/steel glows red hot (blacksmiths would quickly memorize that temperature!) would be neat.  And if I'm repeating what you guys are thinking, then I apologize. >.>

Anywho!  As for the volunteers for blood boiling comment, there are cadavers for that.  Or for the more wicked................... *ahem*

But yes. I like this threat :3
3  Organization and General Discussions / Announcements and Web Design / Re: Inauguration of Azhira into full membership! on: 11 June 2008, 02:36:29
“Such little faith,” came a voice from behind the wind mage.  Ruil stood under one of the many arches on the market square’s edge.  His snow bear cloak draped over his figure, covering all but his head with white fur.  The knight moved forward from the arch and into the square towards his friend Azhira.  With a small smirk on his face, he added, “I expected more from you.”

Chuckling, Ruil opened his coin purse and perused for a moment before drawing forth a coin.  He placed the coin into her hand gently.  “I apologize for not having a proper gift for you.  The caravan I was protecting fell into a mud slide, and I did not have the time to stop to purchase anything for you.”  His smile disappeared.  He was nervous that she might not appreciate what he did give her.

The blonde man thought himself clever for the makeshift gift. After all, his first encounter with the magical thief concluded in the two talking at a bar.  She had tried to charm him for something (she never did tell him what she was after), but Ruil never trusted a woman who seemed to be looking for sex.  Such women were usually shady and up to no good.  Not that anyone was ever up to any good, but even so… As Ruil was going to turn in for the night, he went to pay for his drink only to find the few coins he had in his coin purse to be gone.  Though he eventually got his coins back, he never let the event die.

“Congratulations again on getting anointed as a full member, Azhira.”
4  Organization and General Discussions / Non-Santharian Stuff: Life, the Universe & Everything / Re: And Judith's next post... on: 04 June 2008, 04:30:57
Congrats Ms. Judith!!  Hopefully I will work more with you in the future ^_^
5  Organization and General Discussions / General Santharian Discussions / Re: Plate origins problem on: 03 June 2008, 06:35:21
Indeed I can, Judith!  First thing I did was do some back-reading on the various dwarf clans in Santharia, and the one I think would *best* fit our needs would be the Thrumgolz.  Not only do they live in the High and Low Fores mountain ranges, but the Helcrani dwarves are also said to be Thrumgolz dwarves as well.  That tells me that not only do they live in their mountain home, but they at least have influence and some population all around the mountains (in some cases further than might be expected).  At the very least, this places the dwarves near the troll mountains and well within skirmishing distance during the Gob-Oc threat.  Also, if Demtiak is part of the Thrumgolz clan, then that would explain some of the human-dwarven trading that occurs during my previous post.

And I would love to work on improving the plate history with you, Nsikigan, but I will also be covering this history within my Anatomy of Armor entry, so you don't have to use these footnotes word for word.  Though, if I go into the history of every race's style of armor, I might have to break the entry into multiple ones (i.e. Anatomy of Dwarven Armor, Anatomy of Elven Armor, Anatomy of Human Armor) or whatnot.  I'll have to keep working on it and see what would be the best course of action based on what I end up with...
6  Organization and General Discussions / General Santharian Discussions / Re: Plate origins problem on: 02 June 2008, 05:21:44
Well I did notice that dwarves live quite long lives, and with their inherent perspective it's okay to take five minutes just to say how old they are (that was amusing, btw).  However, the main problem with that is as soon as the technology is shown to work on the battlefield, the technology would be rapidly imitated and spread.  I could definitely see the plate taking a long time to really take off (I'd say about 400 - 500 years?), as the dwarves refine the technique and experiment and what-have-you.  However, during times of conflict, especially against the hasty humans, it seems to me that plate would quickly be adopted by others (again, mainly humans) and very quickly evolve to the full harnesses that most people think of when they hear the term "knight in shining armor".

Now granted, I see the dwarves being the first to develop what's called "plate-and-mail" where little plates are essentially sewn into a mail shirt, which reinforces the mail (I believe by helping prevent weapons from piercing said mail).  And perhaps we could have Mr. Demtiak here start making "plate'mail" that was looking more and more plate than mail.  If he's born 888 a.S., then he'd be maturing around 70, which places him probably old enough to begin pumping out more and more advanced armor in the late 950's.  We could say the first "plate'mail" began showing up ca. 523 during the Gob-Oc threat (afterall, orc and troll skirmishes with the dwarves are probably fairly common there).  This should give the technique enough time to evolve (in dwarven perspective anyway!), so when Demtiak is an adult and produces the first aroonmithir, or breastplate, it is a novel invention.  Until then, dwarven "plate" consisted of only the small, rectangular plates commonly found in platemail.

But with Demtiak spearheading this new armor technology, dwarves are seen with entire sections of their body covered with plate armor during the Era of the Southern Wars.  I could definitely see humans being astonished by the idea, and by trading with the dwarves (whether its the Thrumgolz of the High and Low Fores or the Thrumgolz of Milkengrad I am yet unsure) learn enough to try and imitate the dwarven plate.  Human smiths beginning to imitate plate would probably occur around the millenium.  Though perhaps if the dwarves are hesitant to share their new technology, which I actually see happening, 1,100 a.S. would be a little more likely.

From there, plate would probably see a boom.  Demtiak continues to spearhead the dwarven lead in armorsmithing until his death around the year 1,123 a.S.  In fact, we could say that after his death, armor evolution seems to stall, as humans are at a loss how the dwarven smith produced such fine pieces of armor (and the dwarves are in no haste to share their proud secrets!).  I would imagine 80 years or so would be long enough for human ingenuity to catch up with the dwarves.  If humans developed a technique that produces similar results to the dwarves (I doubt the dwarven forging process is anything but slow!) circa 1,200 a.S. then it would not be a stretch to say that the first full suits of early plate could appear by the end of 1,400 a.S. or even 1,500 a.S.

And then from there, the humans would most likely branch off from the armoring race with the dwarves to make the armor more visually appealing for the various fashionable trends (i.e. something like the gothic or maximilian armors, etc).  I imagine the dwarves, as the race as a whole seems to keep things simple, would most likely continue taking much longer to produce each suit of plate, yet dwarven harnesses are vastly superior.  This would logically lead us to the 1600s, where both humans and dwarves have attained the pinnacle of what either race consider the ideal armor.

And an interesting (at least to me!) note: human plate would be inferior to dwarven plate for two very good reasons - cost-efficiency and time.  Humans with their wars and many skirmishes would require armor that could be created and repaired quickly.  Dwarves, with their relaxed and slow nature, would most likely not be able to supply such a demand (even though they have superior metallurgies and such).

Okay, that wasn't supposed to end up an essay, but that's what's running through my mind right now.  How does all that sound?
7  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / Re: Dear Judith - Dwarven aid? on: 02 June 2008, 03:41:53
Always keep in mind the weapons that these armor materials would be coming up against before plotting ahead with armor types.  Afterall, if your tribe wars against a tribe that wields bronze swords, bone might not be the best deterrent (and of course that also depends on what kind of bone it is).

Hey Nsik, once I finished my Anatomy of Armor entry, I was going to begin work on entries for scale and lamellar armors...
8  Organization and General Discussions / General Santharian Discussions / Plate origins problem on: 01 June 2008, 06:16:19
So I was reading the Plate Armor entry's history section, and it says that plate was first developed by dwarves back in the Age of Blood (800 b.S.), yet the best suits didn't come until recently (1,600 a.S.).  But that is a 2,400 year gap!  That is an incredibly long time for armor to evolve.  I was wondering if perhaps we could push the advent of plate to the Era of the Southern Wars (825 a.S. - 1,062 a.S.) instead?  In the Era of the Southern Wars, the dwarven smith Demtiak was born as well, to whom we could attribute conceiving the first plate for arms and chest.

If this is alright to do, then I could most likely draft out a rough timeline for the evolution of plate from plate-and-mail to full plate in the space of the 700 years between the birth of Demtiak to the first full harnesses of marvelous plate.
9  Organization and General Discussions / General Santharian Discussions / Re: Brownie Mount? on: 01 June 2008, 04:58:42
I don't know about whether or not ferrets are good swimmers, but I do know that they're not adverse to water.  That being said, using an animal more suited to the task would be beneficial...
10  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / Re: Dear Judith - Dwarven aid? on: 01 June 2008, 04:18:38
I look forward to working with you, sir.  Just keep in mind that I will also be pecking your head to keep your armors from being impractical ^^;;  There is nothing worse than wearing a suit of armor that won't protect you in battle.

But perhaps this thread should be moved to the Discussions forum?  I just realized that's probably a better home than here...
11  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / Re: Dear Judith - Dwarven aid? on: 01 June 2008, 01:54:41
Oh, I love it! heart I'll write all of this down and keep it in mind as I continue to put together this entry.  I was thinking of calling the entry "Anatomy of Armor", but due to the various races/tribes usage and types of armor, I'm not entirely sure how I will break this entry down.  If you have any suggestions, they'd be most appreciative.

Thank you for your help, Judith! hug
12  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / Re: The Kaaer'dár'shín Tribe (Masterwork) - FINAL DRAFT blarrow ready! on: 01 June 2008, 01:53:37
*congratulates Azhira on both her completed and well-done Masterwork and upon Arti's words*
13  Organization and General Discussions / Non-Santharian Stuff: Life, the Universe & Everything / Re: Capher seriously ill on: 01 June 2008, 01:47:43
I posted on the RPG forum, but I think Capher deserves the time and energy to do this twice.  This is a predicament for my heart cannot comfortably hope for either outcome (surviving or passing peacefully).  I want him to survive this and keep blessing the world with his presence, but I do not want him to suffer.  So Capher, my heart and prayers go to you, sir.  May you find peace no matter what happens.

14  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / Re: Dear Judith - Dwarven aid? on: 31 May 2008, 15:06:04
Well I purposely just opened a thread so Mrs. Judith could speak with me whenever she had the time.  It's nothing very urgent - I could always work on other details of the work in the meantime.  If this was the wrong place to do so, then I apologize.

And thank you, Judith!  I'll try not to bog you down too much.  I think what I'll do is come up with what the dwarven term might translate into (like "iron skin") and ask your opinion or help on terms from there.  I hope that works for you and your busy schedule. ^^;;;; I don't wanna take up too much of your time, especially if it's limited as it is (I wasn't aware you were doing finals).

And if there's anyway you can help, Nsikigan, I'll let you know!  Thank you for the offer.

EDIT: In order to avoid double-posting, I'll just edit this post with what I've got so far.  I've tried to keep the new words in the same logical origins as the existing terms.  I hope this is satisfactory.

(Existing words)
Breastplate/cuirass  -  "aroonmith"
Gauntlet  -  "golzmith"
Greave  -  "mermith"

(New words)
Helm  -  "hthomith" (head metal)
Gorget  -  "homith" (neck metal)
Spaulders  -  "puvmith" (cauldron metal)
Fauld  -  "rusmith" (belly metal)
Sabaton  -  "tenmith" (foot metal)

It seemed to me that the armor terms already in the dictionary were all very simple: just the body part and mith (metal).  But I couldn't find any words for "arm" or "limb" or anything like that.  So I couldn't come up with any words for the couter and poleyn (the elbow and knee protection), or the braces.  I also kind of winged it with the spaulders, as I can see the first dwarven plate using bowl-type spaulders (hence using cauldron as the base word).  I'm not sure if that will work just because it is different from the obvious theme of the rest, but oh well.

Also, I figured I'd also do a little thinking on what the dwarves call armor in general.  Since the dictionary has armor down as "tenemith", I figured that'd be a good word for all types of metal protection, be it mail, scale , lamellar or plate.  But for plate specifically, I thought it would be interesting etymology if the dwarves created the breastplate (aroonmith) as the first plate, but as the armor evolved to protect more and more of the body, the term aroonmith came to be used to refer to both the cuirass and to plate armor in general.  I also figured that since a full suit of plate would be a relatively big feat, it deserved a new word.  As such, I thought the words "JiikehTenemith" (full armor) or "JiikehMith" (full metal) would both be acceptable.

I also thought it would be neat if humans referred to dwarven plate as "tenemith armor" or "tenemith plate", to distinguish its construction from the humans' own styles of plate.

Is all this okay with you, Miss Masterbard?
15  Santharian World Development / Races, Tribes and Clans / Dear Judith - Dwarven aid? on: 31 May 2008, 05:01:56
So I finally started on the armor glossary you suggested back in December.  And as I was looking in the plate armor entry, it states that the dwarves were the first to forge and wear plate.  Due to this, I think it would only be fitting that I start there for the original terms of the various pieces of armor.  I was hoping that maybe you could cooperate with me on this..?

     1) Do you know a rough date for the first appearance of dwarven plate?  All I have is the Age of Blood.

     2) How does the Thergerim system combine two words into one?  I'm fairly certain the elves use the apostrophe to combine words like cár'scál (lit. "life blade"), and yet I could not find an explanation on the dwarven principles.

     3) Do dwarven warriors/nobles have squires or someone to help them into their armor?  Or will they be donning most of it themselves?

Thank you for your time!
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