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« Reply #15 on: 14 April 2004, 16:41:00 »

If we decide to have a stone base...

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« Reply #16 on: 14 April 2004, 21:00:00 »

Touche, salesman.... touche

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« Reply #17 on: 17 April 2004, 22:44:00 »

This discussion looks a little dead....

So, does anyone have any more suggestions for the appearance of the inner towers, or should we discuss something else first?  


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« Reply #18 on: 18 April 2004, 16:49:00 »

IMHO, uniform towers, you know, not too fancy. Decorated with colors, thats fine. Ximax I recall isn't just a school, but also a fortress to shield the Orb from the people and the people from the Orb.


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« Reply #19 on: 19 April 2004, 06:09:00 »

Who suggested having magma flowing down the tower? offf, and i have lenses already....:fish  

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« Reply #20 on: 19 April 2004, 21:29:00 »

Umm the outer towers first... Again this slipped into nothingness, which defeats the purpose...

If the outer towers are all fancy looking, as some have suggested, they nood to have a function. I doubt the school would've been built too look fancy rather than to be a proper institution of learning magic. The water tower providing the rest of the school with water is a good Idea, but that implies that running water (plumbing) is used. And don't try the "IT'S MAGIC" argument. Rayne already said that t would be a high maintenance job. The school would have to hire mages to do such things.

If insisted upon, the students can mantain this system, but a reasonable function for th other towers is needed. Remember, magic CAN'T do everything.

I propose that the towers each be made of white marble, streaked with the previously proposed colors.

The inside of the towers, however, should be customized for the type of magi residing inside. I don't have any great ideas right now but I have a few that are either ridiculous, or contradict what I said earlier... Sorry but thats how I am... you can;t change it.;) :crazy

All of the towers should have a unique transportation device; after all they are prettyy big, and higher level mages will have difficulty getting all the way down to the classrooms.

Maybe just a teleportation spell for the win tower.
A fountain "elevator" in the water tower
Fire...
A... something for the earth tower...

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« Reply #21 on: 19 April 2004, 22:47:00 »

Some of the appearances might be able to be made through enchantments. Transportation spells are really high level, and no higher mage has time to transport students and teachers wherever they need to go.

I would rather the structures be uniform in the general shape, but I think things like water flowing down the side of the watrer tower would be a nice touch. They should still retain some individuality.

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« Reply #22 on: 20 April 2004, 05:15:00 »

Well what about wards ::checks the dictionary:: sorry, they don't exist...



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« Reply #23 on: 20 April 2004, 07:15:00 »

Hey, a new Ximax discussion started while I was away! :)

My first question: Do we stick still to the hexagons I proposed some time ago? Then I would do a new layout without numbers yet, and I would need your ok to the fact, that the base of each tower is the same, but that the inner towers are much higher (that simplifies the layout).

This time I know by now, how to do layers, so the naming or renaming is easy ;) .

I would propose to concentrate on the outer layout first and finish it off and then go to the interior - though of course some issues have to be in the back of the head while writing it.

To the outside:

I assume now, that the inner towers were build first, the outer towers later .

I think, it would be nice, if the towers would be generally uniform, outer and inner, especially the outer ones, because this fortification was build at the same time (it reduces the costs to do the same design, keep that in mind).
I would like to see the inner towers based on this hexagon as well, but in a way, that it is just the ground itself, which belongs to this tower, the building itself could be different.

An idea to simplify the look: Let be the inner towers be built all the same, out of marble if you like, (similar in the interior as well), and then let the residing mages do illusions (I assume, they are not to hard to do??? Just read Leguin‘s earthsee books again, so I might be wrong). Then the water tower can have its waterfall and the firetower its magma look, the windtower can vanish from time to time - at least partly. If something goes wrong, the towers appear in their original form. We could adopt Xarl‘s ideas - where the entrance to this drop tower is has to be clarified then - but it could just be a (partly hidden) point/gate at the base somewhere? Which leads you in the interior. I would really love to see the rule applied here as well which says, that we should rework around older ideas where possible instead of doing entirely new things, respect the old ideas  if possible.

No such fancy things at the outer towers, just a hexagonal plain layout, building material white (?) granite, marble is too expensive (should be). That does not mean, that there could be stony ornaments(different ones, matching the purpose of the tower), but the description could be done extra, in a new entry. Lets do now just the main features, all towers have in common. Just the garden-house tract may be different with it‘s glass structures.

No need to think now about , where are trees or even a small lake in the green areas. There will be probably a few trees, even a small grove in the recreation area or the garden/healing plant area, but the description can be postponed and added later, with more detail and love done than we can afford now.

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« Reply #24 on: 24 April 2004, 22:14:00 »

This thread has fallen too far...

Well, that sounds like a good idea.  But how about making slight variations to the same basic tower design, instead of relying entirely on illusions?  Illusions will have to be sustained, so having some of the differences being in the structure of the towers themselves would make it easier to sustain, I think.  On the other hand, is it possible to make the illusions permanent, and thus not require any sustaining, through Xeuá magic?  

The outer towers, I agree, should have a rather uniform design.  There's not much point giving each of them a unique design, and they don't really have much to do with the study of magic anyway.  


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« Reply #25 on: 25 April 2004, 00:21:00 »

Thats coz there's not much to discuss

I do not believe that even Xeua magic could make a perminant illusion.  It would have to be refreshed periodically, and how many Xeua mages would really care about outward appearances enough to cast illusions on the school when they should be meditating on magic.

Time to come to come conclusions, here are the options that I see

Outter towers: all symmetrical, perhaps some gardens or a grove of trees near the healing tower etc.

Do we all agree on that?  I haven't heard otherwise in the thread, and it would be a leap forward if we had that okayed.


Inner towers: Three options I see here.  

-Six identical towers either indistinguishable, or distinguishable only by the trim (each element with their respective color.

-Six identical tower bases, then as the tower gets higher, the element will take effect (partially dissappearing for wind, a waterfall for water, magma flow for fire, and perhaps just a huge miniature mountain, or a paritally buried tower for earth)

-Six totally differant towers all made purely from the element (crystal or glass for wind, molten rock for fire, stone for earth, ice for water)

The third one really doesn't seem to popular, and the first one is just boring.  I vote we have six identical marble bases for the six elemental towers.  Six identical towers underneath it all, but the evidence of each element surrounding the tower.

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« Reply #26 on: 25 April 2004, 01:08:00 »

There is no discussion about "believe"Kik, if the master mages here who are competent about the working of Xeua say, it is possible, it will work if not - it is not. And my question was - how difficult is it to keep an illusion. Perhaps it needs only a few adepts to do this, and this would be the task of all three level studets or such.
I wonder , if you worked yourself through all the proposals already done a while ago?

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« Reply #27 on: 25 April 2004, 17:19:00 »

How are other options suggested in this thread not possible, Kik?  Your suggestion is extremely difficult to carry out, perhaps even more so than constructing a tower entirely from it's element, since you'd need a smooth transition from normal building materials to those that better represent the elements.  As for the illusions, yes, the only problem is how hard it would be to sustain them.  If it's not too hard, it should not be too much of a problem to have the towers differentiated by illusions instead of actual structural differences.  


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« Reply #28 on: 26 April 2004, 01:28:00 »

Khikku:fish ... silly

I don't think he meant entirely from the element Mina. And I agree with you on the illusions... kinda... illusions are a wind mage thing... so illusions in all the towers aren't very likely.  

Here are some points that need to knocked out... Let's try and tackle these one at a time or this will never be done... Remember, these are a collection of all of our opinions, not just mine (I was a bit biased in the selections though)

Have we agreed on Symmetrical towers? Talia's Hexagon thingy I like, and that should work well...  

The towers should be their different colors, possibly with some other distinguishing feature relating to its element.(If we do this, I still insist they should be functional features, not to make things look pretty... yech!)...

The inside of the towers be totally element specific...

I still insist on some sort of groovy transportation system in each tower...



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« Reply #29 on: 26 April 2004, 23:39:00 »

If only wind mages do illusions, let them do for all towers - where should there be a problem?What about mages working together?

This way we could respect Xarls first description - remember, working around old entries is what we should do, not entirely skip them! It could be f.e. this drop tower in appearance and a solid structure underneath as well.

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