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« Reply #45 on: 19 June 2004, 14:54:00 »

Oh, the position of the entrance is not decided wit that, just which towers lies oposite to the entrance.

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« Reply #46 on: 19 June 2004, 16:08:00 »

 


Ok, the left pic was Raynes initial proposal, the right one we talked about later - oposing the elements fire-water;  earth-wind; ecuá-xeua.

First Decision:

Which tower should be which?

Second Decision:

Which colour for which tower?

A post from Rayne out of the depths, do we stay with this?

Our current tower colors are as follows:
Wind: Gray, Purple, Indigo
Water: Blue, Aqua, Turquoise
Fire: Red, Orange, Gold
Earth: Yellow, Green, Brown
Xeuá: White
Ecuá: Black

Discussion about how much from the chosen colour will be actual seen on the outside? Remember, we voted for an uniform appearance and some grey/white stones for the outer look:


Third Decision:

Where should the entrance be(look at first post)

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« Reply #47 on: 19 June 2004, 16:34:00 »

Well, I would prefer the second proposal...looks more balanced to me, with the entrance at the right side of the picture (the east, I'm assuming).  As for the colours, I'd prefer lavender or plum to grey, but other than that, they look fine to me.  

By the way, can the things already decided on be posted elsewhere or maybe edited into the first post?  It would make things lesss confusing, I think.  

Erm, nevermind about that.  I just found out you're already doing that.  I wonder how I missed it...


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« Reply #48 on: 19 June 2004, 23:20:00 »

In my initial plan, the two arch schools were places such tat they were the first things you saw as you entered the school: basically one white tower and one black or dark tower. The problem with having opposing elements on opposing sides is that it's not certain as to which ones (or one) tower will be front most when you enter the school.

Obviously, any of the towers would prefer to be the frontmost tower, as a symbol of importance, so how do we structure the towers so that each are equal?

Are we deciding the symbolic colors for the towers? In that case, I would suggest the following:

Wind: Purple
Earth: Green
Fire: Red
Water: Blue

And Xeuá and Ecuá would of course be white and black.

As for the actual coloration of the towers themselves, that will probably be decided by the structure, when we decide that. And I was pretty sure we agreed that the uniformity would lie only in the shape.

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« Reply #49 on: 20 June 2004, 00:50:00 »

I like the second one, elements opposite placed better as well.

So which tower should lie opposite to the entrance? Concerning the importance, I always envisioned Xeuá and Ecuá as the more basic principles, so one of the two it should be - and there I would choose Xeuá, the white tower.

Rayne, I just can‘t imagine towers plastered with bright colours, I don‘t think a Hundertwasser would look good here, it is not serious enough.And if the towers are made out of stone, they would have the same colour on most of their parts. I would, depending on the shape,, use the color on the outside more sparsely. The inside could be dominated by this one color, But let‘s decide that later.

I feel ok with all the colours as well, just that I can‘t se wind symbolised by purple as main colour - in combination with gray , yes - but alone? Wind is for me sky, clouds and so on. We don‘t need only one colour though, a main, yes, but additional as the proposal above shows. maybe it could be a colour between gray and purple?


I turn the other pic around and add the entrance later.

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« Reply #50 on: 20 June 2004, 00:58:00 »

I agree that the frontmost tower should be either Xeuá or Ecuá, but I fear that having one of these in front and the other in back would detract the importance of one and accentuate it in another.

And Talia, you misunderstand! I said the SYMBOLIC colors for each tower - as in, the color that would be used to represent them in a diagram or something. The colors certainly won't be bright! Though I thought we had agreed that each tower should have inidivudality, like water running down the sides of the wate tower, and embers closing in the sides of teh fire tower. The uniformity, I thought, was to lie solely in the shape.

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« Reply #51 on: 20 June 2004, 03:21:00 »

I would prefer the xeua and ecua towers to be at the sides, so that no preference for either tower is implied.  Besides, having either of those towers in front (ie. the entrance being at the top or bottom of the picture) would probably not look as good.  When I tried to visualise what a person at the entrance might see, I realised that the 3 towers furthest from the entrance and the shield dome would probably not be very visible, and whichever tower is in front would appear to dominate the view.  Having the entrance at the side of the picture should look more aesthetically pleasing.  Then again, I was never too good with imagining things, so I have no idea how true that might be.  


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« Reply #52 on: 20 June 2004, 03:49:00 »

Well, the entrance to the side would not be a problem.

See here



Of course here only Xeuá, Wind and Earth are visible from the entrance.

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« Reply #53 on: 20 June 2004, 04:01:00 »

If we set the entrance to the east, as in this pic,



we face earth and water (or fire and wind, we could switch it around), the dome and the towers ecua and xeua are partly visible.

You always give preference to some towers, they can't be treated equally.

I don't know,if the entrance in the east is so good, I think the mountains in the back of the academy should be on the other side, so when entering, you see them in the back.
Could anybody look if we have already a description where exactly Ximax lies and where the academy ?  

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« Reply #54 on: 20 June 2004, 04:05:00 »

Btw, it doesn#t matter in which direction the entrance is now. Even if I put it to the bottom for easier drawing (when adding the outer towers), in the description one can always mention, that the entrance shows to the east, f.e.

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« Reply #55 on: 20 June 2004, 12:36:00 »

As the story goes, the Shield dome was made first and the towers were built around it, forming into a school. The Xcity of Ximax spread out eastward. There aren't many shops and towns to the west of Ximax, because most shopkeepers want to be able to catch people on their way to the Academy. You're not going to find much activity to the west.

I recommend having Fire and Wind to front and Water and Earth in the back. The Mountains in the back of Ximax as well as the fact these towers would be closer to the ocean might sort of imply their location should be here. If we could have the Wind tower be south of the Fire tower, that might akso be nice, given the Wind tower would then be closer to Elverground.

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« Reply #56 on: 20 June 2004, 13:07:00 »

I think Xarl mentioned that the Academy is located at the centre of Ximax.  The Orb was located at the centre of the plateau, and since it cannot be moved, the Academy was built around it.  I see no reason to leave the western side of the plateau undeveloped.  However, there probably would be more activity in the eastern part of the city.  Anyway, we can leave this for some other time.  

As for the arrangement of the towers, I'm fine with Rayne's idea.  I would like to point out, however, that there are mountains in all directions except the east, and possibly, the southeast.  Ximax is pretty much surrounded by mountains, and beyond that, water.  


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« Reply #57 on: 20 June 2004, 13:28:00 »

No one has any reason to build behind Ximax, because no one is really going to frequent this area. Shopkeepers want to build there shop where it will be sen by customers coming in to Ximax, and that's on the eastern side. There isn't much reason to build on the western side. There are no ports or anything here.

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« Reply #58 on: 20 June 2004, 15:39:00 »

Well, there might arose space problems at a point, so that the people have to build their houses beind the academy. What says Xarls Ximax entry?

Here we have a close up of the map



Well looking at this map, the hills are in the east.

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« Reply #59 on: 20 June 2004, 16:04:00 »

I preferred first the oposite-towers idea, but now I tend to Raynes'

The reason: I think, that Xeua and ecua are the basic principle, and therefor could come first - somehow. So I would propose to take Raynes proposal



Here the entrance would be on the left side, the wind tower to the south. There is no problem however to mirror the whole thing, then the wind tower is still in the south and the entrance in the east, whatever you like.
In this version, the oposite elements are not standing next to each other either. And the dome and two of the other towers are partly visible, one of them the wind tower, the wind being the element closest (?) to Ava

I haven't read Xarl's Ximax entry thoroughly, so I may have missed something,
The new city is stretching around the inner older city - there he doesn't mntion the academy itself, or at least he calls the whole inner city academy. So we are free to turn the entrance to were we like it.

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