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« on: 08 June 2004, 09:09:00 »

Final attempt, I hope !  :wink2    



First we have to see, who is interested in the layout, the architecture of the academy - there will be found not much about magic here. Those who are have to be around frequently in the next time, because we need to have decisions this time. We should however stick mainly to what we have discussed already and NOT throw in totally new concepts - it won‘t work then this way.

Rayne
Mina
Talia
Kik
Who else?

But one thing has to be decided after the other. So I will post slowly piece after piece from the huge amount of things we have talked about already, and we should decide about them - finally.

I will keep the next post for those things, which are decided already, and update it, so that we can see at the start of this threat, what is already done:

Here I will post, what is next to decide:


Will take a few days, till Iprepared it, please check if what we have is alright

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« Reply #1 on: 08 June 2004, 09:10:00 »

The towers will be quite huge, about 50 to 70 peds in diameter, up to 200peds tall.

They will be detached, the dome accessible, each tower has however a hexagonal space around, which belongs to it.

See now, which tower is which and the main colour.

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« Reply #2 on: 08 June 2004, 09:11:00 »

We have agreed already, that there should be six inner towers around the dome protecting the orb.

We should decide now, what OUTER form they should have.

There are two main possibilities:

1. They have a symmetrical hexagonal form, getting gradually smaller in diameter the higher they are (could be steps at certain intervalls as well, for a later decision)
a. touching each other at the base
b. not touching each other at the base

Here is variety  1.a.:




2. They are round from the base on
a. touching each other at the base
b. not touching each other at the base

Here variety 2.a.:





The touching at the base has the effect, that the ring around the dome is thick, unpenetrable, where possibilities 1b and 2b, even 2a allow access to the dome!

We can mix both models and say, the base of the towers are hexagonal, but further up, they get round and gradually smaller  in diameter.

Variety 3 (Possibilities a. and b. again, b not shown)







Basically, the hexagonal or round form could as well define only the ground which belongs to a certain tower and its form can vary, but I think we said already, they should basically look all the same kind of conform, build out of a white stone (magically enforced or not).



The actual appearance could vary from tower to tower, due to magical illusions, which are either permanent or sustained by the students of a higher level. (I was told, this is not too difficult). If there is no time for illusion - then there is just none. This way we could even have the drop tower Xarl proposed long ago. The door to this tower would be however in the nowhere - well, at the place where all other tower have their door as well - again an illusion.

However, we don‘t have to decide about the kind of illusion now!

The concrete question is now:

Which variety of the six above mentioned will we chose?
Is the concept with conform look and illusions applied ok?
Other proposals - which don‘t go to far away ?

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« Reply #3 on: 08 June 2004, 09:24:00 »

And yes, proposals for the diameter of the towers and their height please! Take into consideration what we have talked about already - number of students and size and function of the outer towers. We don't have to decide it finally, but should think about it already now.

Diameters

- about 30 peds
-  about 50-70 peds
-  about 100 peds
-  smaller
-  bigger

Height:

- about 30 peds
-  about 50-70 peds
-  about 100 peds
-  smaller
-  bigger

Please put down your reason for your choice in THREE sentences!

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« Reply #4 on: 08 June 2004, 16:10:00 »

I like the idea of rounded towers enclosed within a hexagonal space. However, I think that these plots of land belonging to each tower need to have pathways between them (the towers shouldn't be touching) so that there is some way for people to get to the Shield dome for meetings and the like without having to enter a tower.

I personally like the elegance of the sounded shape, and the hexagonal plot surrounding the tower would allow for more individuality among towers. The earth tower make have a stone garden around their tower, while water might have a small lake.It allows for more individuality, which I'm assuming we're allowing to each tower.

Each tower will have a uniquely different exterior, correct? The same shape, different colors and such?

I personally like the idea of having he water tower having streams of water flowing down the sides. I think it would look lovely and would be fairly doable, with magic or, perhaps, without it.

As for the size and hieght of the tower: I'm honestly not sure. I've never been good with spacial things like that. We have about 450 students per elemental tower, and maybe about 150 students per Archtower.We should keep that in mind.

Have we decided on the inner layers?

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« Reply #5 on: 09 June 2004, 04:52:00 »

I agree with Rayne.  A round tower set in the middle of a hexagonal plot of land should look rather nice, and it'd be easier for the people who have a reason to be at the Shield Dome to get there.  

Right now, I think the idea is that the structure of the towers are basically identical, but near-permanent illusions are cast over them to give them each a unique appearance.  I'm thinking, though, that instead of having the towers be identical, perhaps there could be slight variations in each tower, to help reduce somewhat the complexity of the illusions needed.  

I'm not too sure about the size of the towers either.  They would have to be much taller than any building in Ximax, so they could be seen quite a distance away, like Xarl described in the Ximax entry.  I'd think that a height of about 100 peds should be enough.  And it's probably close to the limit of what can be done with the level of technology available.  However, I'm not sure we can fit 450 students into a 100 ped tall tower without having it look...a little too wide.  I think we all want the towers to look pretty elegant, which would probably mean a relatively small diameter compared to the height.  

In case they cannot fit, these are the solutions I can think of right now:
-Have the towers extend underground as well.  
-Use illusions to make the towers look much taller than they actually are (I'm asuming that it won't be easy to make the towers look more slender)
-Move the stuff that take up the most space (probably the dorms, and maybe the libraries too) into a larger structure at or around the bases of the towers.  


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« Reply #6 on: 09 June 2004, 09:09:00 »

I'll do a drawing this night with smaller towers in this hexagonal field, so we can compare it better.

My reason to set the towers very close together was, that I thought, the dome and its content is dangerous and that therefore an access to the dome itself should be restricted or not possible at all, except for a few mages, archmages. I think Xarl once said, he intended the dome to be a  place too dangerous for meeting room and such. But I don't mind. If we take the last sketch - there could be gates where the round towers meet to allow AND restrict access to the dome area. (The hexagonal outer space garden and such.)

The highest tower ever build out of bricks is in my hometown, started around 1400n.Chr. and 133 m high. Several other churchtowers which are even far older are still higher, so we could go up to 150 peds for the height .

I will give it some thoughts, how many students have room in there - they don't have to have all their own room! Room is something very precious in middle ages, so let share them a dormitorium and give only the higher ranks an own room.  

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« Reply #7 on: 09 June 2004, 09:42:00 »

I propose that each tower be about 20 peds wide and each level between three and four peds high.


My rambling thoughts....

Well, let's assume that each story is around three peds high.  Nine feet seems like it would leave enough room, and I think that's a little tighter then the average modern level but this was the middle ages.  

If we use three peds per level, that gives us 45 stories to play with.  

Now comes the question of how much of the tower we want to be dormitories.  

We'll assume that we have a 3x3 ped dorm room for every two students.  That's enough for beds, some possessions, and a bit of breathing room.  

4.5 square peds per student * 450 comes to 225 + 1800 = 2025 square peds for dorm rooms alone.  

If we have 1/3 of the tower as dorms, that gives us 15 stories, making each story have on average 135 square peds of dormitory space alone and 7.5 dorm rooms per level (the octogonal shape would be perfect for eight dorm rooms).  Believe it or not, that tower would be less then ten peds across (guesstimating here)  

Now keep in mind if we double the diameter, we quadruple the living area.  If each level is twenty peds across, that will still be impressively slender, the kids will have space to live a little, and we'll need less then one ninth of the tower devoted to dorm rooms.


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« Reply #8 on: 09 June 2004, 14:19:00 »

I think we're depending too much on illusions, which, I might add, are kind of exclusive to the wind tower.

Why can it be real water flowing down the sides of the tower be real? Maybe the fire tower will have glowing embers enclosed in glass (to avoid great shets of steam when it rains), so then why can't the embers be real? I imagine each tower would be maintained by those living in the tower itself.

As for the calculations on hieght... again, no clue.

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« Reply #9 on: 09 June 2004, 15:27:00 »

I think we were talking about real water flowing down tower origionally.

How about the middle of each tower being hollowed out and having that element flow through the middle.  

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« Reply #10 on: 09 June 2004, 15:36:00 »

Our interior space is already limited. We have to fit 450 students and teachers in each tower.

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« Reply #11 on: 09 June 2004, 16:13:00 »

Sorry, no new sketch today. Just one note - we can do the towers big enough to allow some interior diversions like Kik proposed it. I wouldn't do too much to the exteriour which affects the substance. Keep in mind, when and for what purpose the towers where build. Too much fancy things contradict somehow the purpose as well - it is not merely a place fo students,a school -  that is an addition, I thought, but for research and dealing with the magical knowledge. All these additions you proposed, Rayne, are not easy to realise with the means of that time, and just a costefective thing  - for which the money was surely not here when build. A later addition? I don't know, if not paying windmages to do the illusions is cheaper. And are only windmages able to do illusions? With illusions you have the advantage, that you can realise much more than in reality - and change it. You could let not only flow water down the respective tower, but fire (magma) as well. Different signs, carvings about the door however are something different. The playing with the element could take place then in a kind of great entrance hall which fills the entire ground level of a tower.
I (hopefully) do some calculations for the size tomorrow.

Where do you have the  450 persons per tower from, Rayne?

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« Reply #12 on: 09 June 2004, 16:14:00 »

Well, I think it was decided that if all the towers were identical, it would be easier and cheaper to build them.  We could go with completely different designs too, I suppose, but it'd probably be a lot more troublesome to build.  


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« Reply #13 on: 09 June 2004, 18:09:00 »

Uhh, Rayne, space isn't that limited.  Read my post about the dorm room size.

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« Reply #14 on: 09 June 2004, 23:21:00 »

I thought we had already decided on these population figures..


Limited just means not infinite, Kik. ;)  

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