Quote: However, my point about randomness still stands. The question behind is this: What decides which property an oun will express? With magic it is fine, the mage does, and if NOTHING decides, it is random. But what if you push the feather with your hand, what makes the ounia in the feather express motion, and not invisibility? (Unless we transfer ounia with that push, but that makes less sence)
Quote: I need to know degrees of ahmness because you say: Mage can read the history of something by examining the links it has, as links never vanish, they turn ahm. But, for that to work, a mage must be able to somehow know how old an ahm link is, or, at least, which ahm links became ahm first and which became ahm later - else he won't find any knowledge about the history of the object, if all ahm links are identical.
Quote: Uhm, not quite the sort of explanation I wanted, I'm afraid. Lets see if I can phrase it better. We know that soor xeua links are necessary for an oun's properties to be expressed. What I want to know is why that is so, and how it works. My idea was that the xeua links express the properties for the oun. You seem to prefer the idea that ounia express the properties themselves. However, in that case, it should be explained why having soor links causes 'turns on' the properties in an oun, and having ahm links does the opposite.
Quote: I didn't miss it; I just don't understand why it is so. Why does trying to be more like Wind cause heat, for example? Wind isn't by itself hot. The term 'voice' is also slightly confusing to me. What is its actual definition?
Quote: It seems to me though, that if this was the case, ounia have to actually exist. I thought that we weren't supposed to have anything that actually proves any one magic system to be the 'right' one?
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Edited by: Artimidor Federkiel at: 4/5/06 21:58
Quote: I see what you're looking for. Soor links are like the energy of Santharia. You can look at it like that in metaphor, too. Say that xeua are electrical wiring and each oun is a lightbulb. When there is no current in the wire (ahm), the lightbulb is dark and doesn't light up (show its qualities). However, when you let a current flow through the wire, the lightbulb will go on (the oun thus expresses its properties). This, I think, is the clearest example. You could also see it as a watermill. When the river is moving (soor), the water mill is in motion (has the energy to produce its properties). However, in the summer when the river dries up (ahm), the watermill stops (and doesn't have the energy to produce its properties). Is this better?
Quote: Heat is fire trying to achieve the motion of wind. This is an easy example: When you put dye into a cup of cold water, it just sort of sits there--it take a long time for the dye to spread throughout the cup. However, when you put dye into a cup of warm water, it moves rather quickly, and eventually spreads throughout the cup. I tend to drink a lot of tea--maybe I supposed this was more obvious than it actually was.
Quote: I suppose we do run into some trouble here, though we still really have no way of proving that the magic system exists based on oun. How would we? We could say "I'm going to show oun exist by adding some ounia to this car'all to make _____ occur," but a cleric could do the same thing saying that it was the gift of his/her God.
Quote: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, we postulate that if properties collide, the ounia that are colliding will both turn to expressing other properties instead. Then I ask - if water tries to express coldness, but there is too much fire, would that water not instead turn to expressing something else, rather than "modify" the fire? (On second thought, we could just as well say that water DOES get to express coldness, which is why the object does not become superhot, but hotter.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's a possibility, I suppose. What does Mina think?
Quote: Uhm, I still don't get it. Motion is motion, and heat is heat. What do they have to do with each other? Other than the fact that warmer fluids move around more.
Quote: Well, if you could read ounia, then they probably exist, which greatly supports the Ximaxian theories. I could be taking it too literally though, since I still don't completely understand the idea of reading ounia.
Quote: I want you to read this again. It's essentially like saying "How does heat have motion, save for the fact that it has motion?"
Edited by: Marvin Cerambit at: 4/7/06 18:36
Edited by: Artimidor Federkiel at: 4/7/06 18:53
Quote: You're proposing, essentially, that links can be ahm and soor and different points. This is an inconsistent idea.
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