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« on: 28 July 2006, 15:12:58 »

I was think of doing a flower that changes color depending on the time of year. Its origin would be associated with "the Sacred Woods where the High Temple of Ankriss (the High Goddess of Earth) is located" . The Livearian words for different months would correspond with the color the flower was that time of year. The Kreans would borrow some of these words for their months as well as some other words. This callender wouldn't be used much by the Kreans except for some holidays because the months aren't always be the same length, except for certain holidays


Thats a breif description on my idea I'd like some opinions on it.  :P
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« Reply #1 on: 28 July 2006, 17:32:07 »

The changing colours is a good idea, but don't you think it is a bit excessive/exaggerated for an entire calender to be named after a flower?
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« Reply #2 on: 29 July 2006, 01:20:44 »

Correct me if i'm wrong Coren but aren't the Lillivear the same as the Krean. I know that Krean also includes the Aestera but do they have different languages? Wouldn't colours be the same?

@Xera: Xera, at the moment I'm trying to develop the Krean rainforests, if you would like to help you'd be more than welcome

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« Reply #3 on: 29 July 2006, 02:30:08 »

In the beginning were two tribes: the Lillivear and the Aestera. These merged to protect their realm against invaders and formed what is now known as the Krean people of southwestern Nybelmar. Many familiies of both tribes do retain their lineage. Therefore, the Krean society consists of: Krean (those with mixed blood), Lillivear, Aestera

I have a more detailed explanation at the Krean Society thread - the search function comes pretty handy in this forum
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« Reply #4 on: 29 July 2006, 03:06:25 »

Also today the Krean language is spoken by all three segments of the Krean realm. Ancient Lillivear and Ancient Aesteran were of course different languages but I would only expect either very closed/traditional families or scholars to know them.
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« Reply #5 on: 29 July 2006, 03:11:10 »

So how about you do it inversely Xera, have the flowers stages in ancient Lillivearen?
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« Reply #6 on: 01 August 2006, 13:00:28 »

The callender based on these flowers will have origins in ancient Lillivearan culture.

I would think that the Krean language would have been derived from or borrowed lots of words from Ancient Lillivear and Ancient Aesteran so they would still use some of the names from this callender would be used in the the Krean callender or to describe certain collors

Coren I see your point about having all of the months named after a flower seems a bit excessive ;)

I think I will name some of the months after Lillivearan mythilogical figures

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"Ankriss, the High Goddess of the Earth" this would be the first month of the year in spring

"Arlea, the High Goddess of Water" this would be the wettest month of the year whenever that is  :P

A month named after the founder of the Lillivearan tribe I'll probably call him ???? in the first rough draft till we figure out who ???? is

Probably some more named after mythical and historical figures to not sure what other ones their are though I think I'll just put vague refferences to them being historical or mythical figures.
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« Reply #7 on: 01 August 2006, 19:37:51 »

I think you could do seasons instead of months. You could have Ankriss as the the Spring Green or Yellow and Arela as Wintery blue. I was thinking of developing a Fire Goddess (later on of course) which you could use as a summery colour and an air goddess could represent the Autumn colour like a reddish brown or beige.

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« Reply #8 on: 01 August 2006, 20:00:00 »

But where would you place these new deities Decipher? I do not think Coren would like them at the Krean, and when not included there, it makes no sense for them to be taken into account when the Lillivear created their calendar. (Have it noted that the Lillivear originally only worshipped the Earth goddes, whereas the Aestera worshipped the Water Goddes. It wasn't until rougly 5.500 bs, before the two tribes merged into the Aestera Kreankra Lillivear..
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« Reply #9 on: 01 August 2006, 20:22:32 »

I did intend for them to be lesser deities of the Krean which were only worshipped by a strict cult but know it seems that my idea is not workable as the Lillivear only worship Ankriss, so why would they include another God into their language. I'm currently preoccupied with Marmarra so they won't be developed for a long time anyway.

BTW if the Lillvear only worshipped Ankriss would that not mean that their language would have no recognition of Arlea as a god either?
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« Reply #10 on: 01 August 2006, 20:52:23 »

The primal Lillivear language wouldn't, probably. But they have had encounters (both peacefull and hostile) for a long time before joining, so they would have known about the Water goddess of their neighbours (is that spelled right?).

Coren will know the precise how and when probably.
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« Reply #11 on: 01 August 2006, 21:24:31 »

@Decipher: The Krean only worship the 2 High Goddesses, so a fire and an air deity won't fit here. They could be used for the Zhunite Pantheon but then the Krean wouldn't have named something after a deity they don't believe in... Also, let's keep the development of gods on hold for now. There are so many integral pieces missing from the Zhunite culture that need to be devised before we can move on to their religion. To quote from "A Critical Introduction to Law" (by Mansell, Meteyard and Thomson):

"An old adage which makes the connection between human institution and sustaining myths states simply that 'God created man and man returned the compliment!' Gods are used to legitimate particular socially created worlds. Thus, if the gods are to be relevant, they must reflect the ideals and mores of any particular set of believers. The gods must make sense of the situation in which the believers find themselves"

To some extent the pantheon of a polytheistic society must be created in image of that community. So before we move to fashion deities, we must first be clear on what kind of a society under which circumstances would have those gods? The Zhunite gods need to legitimate (explain and justify) Zhunite morality and social organization - therefore, until those 2 fundamental aspects are decided on, no work on their religion.


EDIT: Ah, I see Miraran wrote something similar
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« Reply #12 on: 01 August 2006, 21:58:11 »

So gods are made in the image of their people, but our people don't have an image
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« Reply #13 on: 02 August 2006, 00:31:45 »

Yet
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« Reply #14 on: 02 August 2006, 01:46:17 »

yet? You mean yes right?
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