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« on: 06 August 2006, 22:13:27 »

Coren, I was reading up on your entries to secure a more concrete view on South-Western Nybelamar when I discovered something rather interesting, 'The Black Hand'. Now from what I have read they were Krean diplomats who had been turnt bitter by the Krath trade laws which ruined the Kreans monopolising of a good bit of the continent. So they intended to destroy the empire, by leaking vital information to the empires enemies, namely the Kingdom of Orcal. They also hired assasins to kill Krath aristocrats and high ranking leaders.

Now I has wondering, Could I write an entry on 'The Black Hand'. I did make it apparent when I first delved into the Krean that there love for scheming and conspiracy was not made expressed clearly through their entry, so maybe 'The Black Hand' could help evil

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« Reply #1 on: 08 August 2006, 03:25:55 »

A little note here: Maybe the name "Black Hand" is not that well chosen, because the name was very prominently used back then for a conspiring society, which eventually led to the outbreak of WW I (see here for example).

Furthermore the name is used as I found out only today to represent the dark brotherhood guild in the "Oblivion" game, which also deals with assassinations and such - so maybe in order to make it unique a slight name adjustment would help?
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« Reply #2 on: 08 August 2006, 03:30:20 »

Hmmm...The two do sound incredibly similar, especially the assaination and arms dealing. I think something more fitting would need to be chosen, for originality and other obvious reasons.
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« Reply #3 on: 08 August 2006, 04:24:16 »

See, I always knew I had some dark side to my character...

I wasn't aware of the WW1 allusion and if I may be so frank I used the term before Oblivion came out :P

Bah that's what happens when people adopt the most obvious metaphor - someone else surely did so as well

Hmm, maybe besides changing the name I should also investigate this terran Black Hand to see if they came up with any interesting ideas I can borrow
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« Reply #4 on: 08 August 2006, 06:32:05 »

It's a lot of things and probably more.
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« Reply #5 on: 08 August 2006, 15:34:34 »

How about cór danár styrash for black hand.

This descusion brings up a question who is our Archduke Franz Ferdinand?

a Krean emperor perhaps some one not krean maybe a sarvonian ?

Just something to ponder ( we need a thinker smiley ) .
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« Reply #6 on: 08 August 2006, 17:31:10 »

Excuse me, but WHY do we need an Archduke Ferdinand?

And WHY would the Krean use Styrash, the language of the elves?

:: shakes head sadly ::
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« Reply #7 on: 08 August 2006, 20:25:56 »

Xera, I Suggest you do your research on the Black Hand before trying to work out their names, It would of been obvious that Krean would NEVER use styrash. Go to the Karakan entry, you'll find some stuff about them there.
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« Reply #8 on: 09 August 2006, 08:15:55 »

a secret Krean society might use a foreign name in order to implicate foreigners in a concepiracy and help start a war

Archduke Ferdinand of Austria is the guy the black hand conspired to assasinate leading to WWI so who is going to be assasinated leading to war?
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« Reply #9 on: 09 August 2006, 18:25:05 »

Coren? Do the elves on Nybelmar also use styrash or is that only the sarvonian ones?
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« Reply #10 on: 09 August 2006, 19:57:50 »

They also use styrash, but the form they use is slightly different from the styrash used by the Santharian elves. 
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« Reply #11 on: 09 August 2006, 20:44:48 »

Xera that just doesn't work. And i must admit it does sound a little bit off... We can't just invent wars just for the sake of a person or using foreign names...
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« Reply #12 on: 10 August 2006, 04:45:04 »

If this black hand is trying undermine the Krean empire wouldn't they conspire in some way to cause a war or a millitary loss of some type. If they do end up starting a war by assination their would be other contributing causes too. It would be a little nieve to say that WWI wouldn't have started if the archduke hadn't been assainated but it was deffinately a contributing cause.
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« Reply #13 on: 11 August 2006, 03:26:45 »

Actually they were agaisnt the Krath empire  grin
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« Reply #14 on: 11 August 2006, 04:08:42 »

Xera, read read read...

Research is the most important thing a Santharian Developer can do....

Also, if there is an allusion so obvious that you can even put a name to it, i.e, the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, then as developers we should AVOID that situation...

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