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« Reply #15 on: 20 February 2007, 00:59:42 »

What about my name change request?

EDIT: Sorry! After consultation of the bestiary it seems that only the Locust Wyvern inhabits Nybelmar, name change uneccesary...
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« Reply #16 on: 20 February 2007, 19:34:01 »

Sorry, only just got back from London and haven't read replies.
Wyvern is just an old and unused name for dragons, like Wyrm. Dragon's Roar seemed a little cliched, and Wyrm's Roar could be misinterpreted.
OK, as for the non-internal-burning, think searing: the fire itself can protect from heat. So, if a protective layer were to line the lungs, the fire itself could provide the protection.
The energy doesn't come from within the mage: he/she must fing an external source. A good one, if they're gonna pack a punch on one lung full.
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« Reply #17 on: 20 February 2007, 20:26:22 »

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OK, as for the non-internal-burning, think searing: the fire itself can protect from heat. So, if a protective layer were to line the lungs, the fire itself could provide the protection.

That would be possible, but it would make the spell needlessly complicated and at most something a mage does to show off (and even then it's unlikely because of the danger) because a simple fireball does the exact same thing and is far more easy and far less dangerous to cast.
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« Reply #18 on: 22 February 2007, 01:17:52 »

It is a very showy spell, but that's the idea: it seems even worse than it actually is, and, as long as the user is strong enough, no-one lives to say otherwise. It's basically a more scary version of Rays of Heat, or one for magi with no fingers, which, due to a dangerous lifestyle, is quite likely.
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« Reply #19 on: 22 February 2007, 08:48:43 »

What I think Marvin is getting at is why even bother?  While its a cool concept and would be interesting to watch at a street fair, the dangerous properties, life threatening status, and extreme diffculty would cause the spell to soon fade from existence as magi passed by it.
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« Reply #20 on: 22 February 2007, 12:32:37 »

i find this all fine and dandy but you must explain it a little more. add more detail, if you would be so kindly. oh and another thing, move the fire producing to the mouth or lips, not the lungs.
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« Reply #21 on: 22 February 2007, 19:43:25 »

The fire becomes between the lips, but the energy is stored Ahm and harmless within the lungs, therefore no chance of internal burnage and no need for protective measures. The mage converts it to Soor as it leaves his/her lips. So there is no real fire until it leaves the mouth, just gathered energies. It's only dangerous if you breathe out, as it's that conscious action which causes it, and, as long as they breathe out of their mouth, there's no danger there either, as it will be released as normal. Breathing in, looking back on other comments, would do nothing but add air to the mix, which was already there, what with breathing in beforehand.
I know what I'm trying to explain, I just can't, effectively.
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« Reply #22 on: 23 February 2007, 02:07:41 »

I never said it wasn't possible, but why would a mage gather fire in his lungs first and then get it out again when he could just as easily gather it in front of him? It's like moving everything you want in your attic to your basement first and as soon as it's all there start moving it to the attic. The spell is dangerous (even if it's possible to do so while remaining unharmed) and needlessly complicated (it can be done way easier and more powerful) and as such I fail to see why anyone sane would try this.
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« Reply #23 on: 23 February 2007, 02:57:55 »

It's somewhere to store it: it's more like filling up a water-gun then shooting it, or lifting the blade of a guillotine: you're putting it back with much more force and much more purpose, and you choose where it goes. Gathering it on the outside means that while it's out there, it's warming the air and losing energy already; inside's more efficient. Plus, you've got a higher lung capacity than external holding ability:breathe all the way out, then breathe in really deeply, and think how much air you just took in. Then, cup your hands around some air. Compare.
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« Reply #24 on: 23 February 2007, 03:41:34 »

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It's somewhere to store it: it's more like filling up a water-gun then shooting it, or lifting the blade of a guillotine: you're putting it back with much more force and much more purpose, and you choose where it goes.

Magic does not work this way.  You do not have to store ounia or anything like that.  What you propose isn't going to make the spell anymore effective.  It'd just make it more difficult and cause you to have to spend more energy casting it. 

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Gathering it on the outside means that while it's out there, it's warming the air and losing energy already; inside's more efficient.

Incorrect.  You are assuming that there is a transfer of energy between the Fire ounia and the air, which is not the case.  The presence of Fire ounia in the car'all of the air would simply make it warm air, or hot air depending on the situation.  Or, if the concentration of Fire ounia is high enough, fire. 

You also seem to have the idea that you need to 'store' the ounia for a time before releasing them.  This is not the case.  Gathering Fire ounia at a point will produce a flame there.  This can be done fairly quickly, almost instantly in fact, if you're not attempting a particularly big spell.  Due to certain properties of Fire, it should be naturally be inclined to movement, so all you have to do is supply a direction.  Doing so will cause the flame to shoot off in the direction.  This is a basic fireball spell. 

Creating a stream of fire is not so different.  You merely continue to gather Fire ounia while at the same time 'releasing' what you have gathered the instant before.  This can be maintained for as long as the mage is able to concentrate on it. 

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Plus, you've got a higher lung capacity than external holding ability:breathe all the way out, then breathe in really deeply, and think how much air you just took in. Then, cup your hands around some air. Compare.
I don't see how this is in any way relevant.  Ounia are not physical, so why should the physical capacity of something matter?  In any case, you do not store ounia, not in the way you seem to be thinking. 
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« Reply #25 on: 23 February 2007, 07:09:34 »

Sod it, I fail again.
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« Reply #26 on: 23 February 2007, 10:24:39 »

In addition, you completely ignored the impracticality of the spell that I mentioned above.  A decent explanation as to why it even exists would definatly be in order IMHO.
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« Reply #27 on: 25 February 2007, 23:52:15 »

I didn't ignore it at all! I didn't have an answer, so I didn't give one. I realise the impracticality of it, which is why I posted my last post. Obviously I don't understand the concept of the magic systm enough to bring up a useful idea, as my last two turned out to be suicidal, useless and over-complicated, so I don't see the point answering questions I don't know the answers to. If I were to ask you what protons were made of, would you answer?
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« Reply #28 on: 26 February 2007, 02:36:12 »

IMHO, its not that you don't know enough about the magic system (I had no idea about Ahm and Soor until a month after my first attempts) but that you try to do overcomplicated, unpractical things.  Try starting with something basic, such as something that deals with the expression of a property ect.  As you do more and more skills you get a better understanding of what to attempt and what not.
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« Reply #29 on: 26 February 2007, 23:31:48 »

ok, cheers. Someone mentioned drawing the ouns o the breath path; this actually sounds a good idea to me, as, what with breath being fairly warm, I assume it's fairly fich in fire ounia already, so drawing more to it would result in a pretty strong flame by comparison. Also, it gives it the directionality it needs, doesn't risk burning your organs to the point where they look like a barbcued mis-steak. The mage would just need to say the formula, take a deep breath, and lo and behold!, carbonised adversary. Of course, I may be talking rubbish again, but it's better than turning magi into ash heaps.
What effect would doing the same with wind do? One huge gust of wind?
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