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« on: 18 February 2007, 11:28:24 »

Would there be anything technologically unfeasible about a sword equivilant to the rapier?
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« Reply #1 on: 18 February 2007, 12:18:31 »

Technologically I don't think so.  There'd have to be a different explanation for their development though.  IIRC, rapiers in the real world appeared only after firearms had made armour mostly obsolete, but such a thing has not happened in Caelereth. 
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« Reply #2 on: 19 February 2007, 03:09:36 »

I had thought they'd actually developed first as a dress sword, mostly ceremonial. But then, as you said, with the lack of armor, they became useful in a way that would be impossible against plate. 

Is a rapier blade thin enough to pierce your average medieval chainmail?

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« Reply #3 on: 19 February 2007, 03:43:44 »

Most likly, but before the rapier came the epee, so if you want to work on long, thin, dueling swords, you should incorporat that into you entry.
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« Reply #4 on: 19 February 2007, 04:10:03 »

Actually, the epee and foil decended from the rapier, not the other way around.

Looking at various sites, it appears that chain would foil (ahem) the rapier, but it could pierce leathers. When faced with the chain armors, softer targets, such as the face, were prefered. It actually developed as a sword to use in unarmored street fighting or private duels.

I could see this being developed in any area where heavier armors are restricted in city (if such a place exists in Santharia). 
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« Reply #5 on: 19 February 2007, 04:17:37 »

I'd kind of like to develop this weapon concept as a Bardavosian weapon style.

I have this image of Bardavos, a democratic city of artists, kind of looking down on walking around in large armors and heavy weaponry. Light deadly thrusting blades could easily develop in such a society.

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« Reply #6 on: 19 February 2007, 04:29:12 »

Technologically I don't think so.  There'd have to be a different explanation for their development though.  IIRC, rapiers in the real world appeared only after firearms had made armour mostly obsolete, but such a thing has not happened in Caelereth. 

The Rapier developed as selfdefense weapons of citizens in the urban areas of Italy /think Romeo and Juliet like family conflicts. In the narrow alleys and streets a thrusting sword was more effective than a slashing sword esspecially when its wearer was no professional soldier so that keeping an enemy at distance was equally desirable.

Warswords of the time were still quite different (though some developed into a similar direction and all got those elaborate hand guards), esspecially far more sturdy. Against an armored foe the rapier was too prone to break. Lateron armor was abandoned which is why the rapier like weapons became popular though it was not a weapon of war at a time armor was regularly used.
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« Reply #7 on: 19 February 2007, 04:31:54 »

AN excellent reference on the rapier:

http://www.thearma.org/Youth/rapieroutline.htm
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« Reply #8 on: 19 February 2007, 08:28:27 »

i get the point!  :D
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« Reply #9 on: 19 February 2007, 11:09:10 »

I could have sworn the epee was more primative.... hmmm Ill reasearch this.
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« Reply #10 on: 19 February 2007, 23:13:20 »

It is as it degraded into a sports weapon.

In their original form it is however very similar to a rapier but possibly with a different hand guard. Historical pieces usually are not as clear cut stereotypes like we make it sound so to define wether something is a rapier or a epee is already quite difficult though essentially rapier is rather the original term from which those variations arose.
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