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Takór Salenár
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« on: 16 April 2007, 22:56:38 »

Guidelines on How to Design Priests


  • Name

    Cleric of ‚insert god or godess‘, other names?


  • Overview

    Give a general overview on the clerics. When you look at this overview you should see at once

    - the main characteristic of these priests
    - their duties
    - important differences to other priests


  • Appearance

    Please give a description of the clerics. What do they wear in private, what in public, what at ceremonial occasions? Do they have special colours? (Their god‘s colour? Look at the god‘s entries!


  • Symbols

    Do they use the symbols of their god/goddess or do they have something in addition?


  • Personality

    Is each cleric different or do they have some comman features, be it that they are especially friendly, good to animals or cold and repellent?


  • Abilities

    What are they able to do after they have reached priesthood?


  • Apprenticeship

    When starts apprenticeship, when do they learn to achieve special levels of their education, when are they able to do certain tasks?


  • Duties

    What are their daily/weakly/annual duties? What are apprentices allowed to do?


  • Importance

    Why are especially these priests important for society ?


  • Orders and Sects

    Are there any orders or sects and what are the differences to the main priesthood. A paragraph or two should be enough, otherwise you need an extra entry.
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« Reply #1 on: 17 April 2007, 00:12:57 »

Maybe add a bit on territory (where you can find them) and organization (hierarchical structures and such)? Personality seems a bit odd to have a whole section for it (IMHO). Perhaps that could be merged with appearance?
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« Reply #2 on: 17 April 2007, 00:27:11 »

wouldn't this make more sense as a template for a cult, e.g. "the cult of Queprur". It seems strange to have entries on priests, they are only important in context of the wider religious picture.
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« Reply #3 on: 29 April 2007, 05:11:38 »

Thank you both for your comments.

Marvin, I will integrate yours.
Rakshiri, I pondered for several days about your comment, but think it is not practicable, not if you want to describe them as close as I intend to. Of course all is linked together, but I can well describe a priest without having to mention the whole ritual of a cult.
I will add a template for cults as well though. Of course you will find partly the same information in a description of priests and the cult related with them
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« Reply #4 on: 29 April 2007, 08:21:54 »

Thank you both for your comments.

Marvin, I will integrate yours.
Rakshiri, I pondered for several days about your comment, but think it is not practicable, not if you want to describe them as close as I intend to. Of course all is linked together, but I can well describe a priest without having to mention the whole ritual of a cult.
I will add a template for cults as well though. Of course you will find partly the same information in a description of priests and the cult related with them

Why would you want to make a detailed description of a stereotype/class of a person? What do you want to write about them so closely?

It seems rather impractical to me to make an indepth, detailed description of something without knowing what the big picture is supposed to look like. It's like beginning to describe the TV Series Star Trek by beginning with the description of the responsibilities of a redshirt.

This is bound to result in inconsistent entries as detailed indepth description come before even general concepts of something exist. But maybe I'm not yet understanding your general aim.
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« Reply #5 on: 29 April 2007, 14:41:03 »

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Why would you want to make a detailed description of a stereotype/class of a person? What do you want to write about them so closely?


Well, the need to do priests was initially  mainly a demand from the RPG board. But it is and will not be the stereotype class of person you think they are (What do you have for a picture of priests ;) ) I can only say, please wait till I have finished Queprur's Priests (half done) and then you will see where to I aim. I don't think that there will arise big inconsistencies (if the research is done well and the commentators watch out), for none of the cults of the twelve is described yet and those who do will have to look into the priests entries if they already exist.

BTW, I dislike quotes, I can't read them without enlarging them :(
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« Reply #6 on: 30 April 2007, 01:04:47 »

Sorry, messed up the tags...

But a priest follows the principles of his sect or religion not vice versa. You have to establish the organization and rites anyway if you want to explain why the priests act/think/look the way they do and these are actually more important than the priests.
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« Reply #7 on: 30 April 2007, 20:18:55 »

Errm, well, no. Partly.

One  needs to set some links, sooner or later.
Rakshiri, we have the same old problem we had before, you can't look into my head and i can't explain properly, what i want. The only way out is if I put this template up, finish the first priest  (Queprur) and maybe a second (probably Baveras' Aids) and then we discuss these things? Of course it would be better to have the rituals first, but I don't need to describe them in detail to do the priests. I need to have a concept of the organisation, but not all details (at least i think so, I have not yet written this part.)
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« Reply #8 on: 30 April 2007, 21:30:23 »

I indeed still don't get it. Why are you stuck with writing about priests when from a worldbuilding view the nonexisting rites, tradtions and organization would be more important? Check your template. All of the stuff you attribute to priests are actually aspects of their cult, not of the individuals worshipping in there.

General stuff
#  Name, # Overview,

Relevant to the cult/organization itself.
# Appearance, # Symbols, # Apprenticeship, # Duties, # Importance, # Orders and Sects

Stuff depending on the position of the priest within the cult. (closest to belonging in a priest entry)
# Personality, # Abilities

I'm not saying you shouldn't develop religion entries but that if your focus is 90% on the organization, the cults etc. anyway then don't make a priest entry but a cult entry!
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« Reply #9 on: 01 May 2007, 00:11:44 »

Cult might not be the best word to use here...

Anyway, it doesn't look like this is meant to be a template for individual priests, but for entire sects.  Takor's replies seem to suggest that this is the case too. 
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« Reply #10 on: 01 May 2007, 02:11:03 »

Cult might not be the best word to use here...

Anyway, it doesn't look like this is meant to be a template for individual priests, but for entire sects.  Takor's replies seem to suggest that this is the case too. 

Yes, my point exactly.

Concerning "cult". The Roman worship of "Sol Invictus" (Jupiter) was called one cult of many in the Roman Pantheon as was the worship of the many representations of Zeus for the Greek.  In polytheistic and ancient context this term is used for the specific rites, customs and clerical origanization of one god out of the many. Other term might work as well, this is just one that is very fitting for the Santharian religion.
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« Reply #11 on: 03 May 2007, 04:36:23 »

I think that putting the priests and how the people believing in this religion are celebrating their god is just too much. I tried to come up with a template for cults, but realised, that we probably need two - one for "common" cults like those of the twelve gods where we describe the festivities like easter, Christmas etc  and one for sect-like cults, for there is  the need to say more about the believers. The believers in the twelve gods are common people, the Blood Eye Cult people not.

for your info - I looked at the cults we have and they are organised like that:


Cults


  THE CULT OF CHADDERELOMACH

DESCRIPTION - APPEARANCE - PRACTICES - SYMBOLS
MYTH/LORE - IMPORTANCE

  THE CULTS OF MARI

DESCRIPTION - ORGANIZATION - WORSHIP - MAIN CULTS

  THE BLOOD EYE CULT

APPEARANCE - COAT OF ARMS - TERRITORY - PEOPLE - HOUSING - CLOTHING - DIET - WEAPONS - OCCUPATIONS - ORGANIZATION - PRODUCTION/TRADE - NATURAL RESOURCES - RELIGION - FESTIVALS - HISTORY

  THE TRUE VISION CULT

APPEARANCE - COAT OF ARMS - TERRITORY - PEOPLE - HOUSING - CLOTHING - FOOD - WEAPONS - OCCUPATIONS - GOVERNMENT - FESTIVALS - HISTORY


I don't want to set up a complicated template for cults now, but want to get the priests done for the RPG, so I will for now just finish what I have above and integrate the comments. I don't think it is a good idea to have both in one, it makes the entries too long. Linking both tightly together has to suffice. Maybe it would be better to have the cult first, but it is not necessary i think, I didn't feel the need to describe the festivals while writing on one priest-type.
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« Reply #12 on: 18 August 2007, 06:46:13 »

I didn't know how to take Rakshiri's advise, so I uploaded the corrected version to have at least something, even if it is not satisfactory. Maybe at a later time this can all be restructured.
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