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« on: 01 May 2007, 18:22:59 »

Is it possible to perform by using ecua magic.... Splitting the car'all into breaking the links between the two parts and creating two entities or possibly even more. Is that possible??? And I guess the only thing is that the spell can only be undone by xeua, creating links back to the car'all....
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« Reply #1 on: 01 May 2007, 19:07:12 »

Well, you're not going to be creating two complete entities with it, most likely. 
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« Reply #2 on: 01 May 2007, 19:11:41 »

Perhaps. It would depend on whether the total number of ounia present made a difference or not (otherwise halving the amounts wouldn't give two entities equal to the previous).
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« Reply #3 on: 04 May 2007, 13:24:02 »

Yes that is what I was thinking/ dividing the ounia creates replica of the original only that we will loose the original. Every skill, power, talents, hatred and everything will also be divided in to two or something
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« Reply #4 on: 04 May 2007, 21:19:20 »

I feel its impossible to split a person in half and both sides still be alive, Not because I dont think the body can be split in half but the soul. How can you live with half a soul, how can you live with half a spirit. Personally I think its impossible.


(Ps, I'd reccomend the name be changed to duplication spell since cloning is a scientific word)
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« Reply #5 on: 05 May 2007, 04:03:26 »

Read.

Understand.

Think.

then post...
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« Reply #6 on: 05 May 2007, 20:51:09 »

I was thinking of 'maybe possible' concerning non-living objects. People is just too complicated to even consider. Dividing things like a skill in two for example makes no sense.
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« Reply #7 on: 05 May 2007, 23:32:31 »

by definition, doesnt a  "cloning spell" need to deal with living objects?
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« Reply #8 on: 05 May 2007, 23:41:38 »

In biology, yes. Cloning is, by definition, making copies of cell structure or some such idea. But we can't mention replicating cells as no one (in Caelereth) probably has a clue what they are. I don't think we have any magnifying tool more powerful than the Magnifying glass or Farseer. (I think that's what it's called)

I agree the name might be changed to "Replicate" or something like that.

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« Reply #9 on: 06 May 2007, 01:20:26 »

I didn't really think of it as 'cloning', but rather duplicating things in general.
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« Reply #10 on: 06 May 2007, 14:43:34 »

If you caused this spell to be delayed until a creature was attacked in some way it would work out well. The creature could proceed with relative stealth until it got to its target and started to attack. The target which would react in self deffense would retaliate. Causing the cloning to occur.

They could suddenly be facing an army of psychotic animals. If an army managed to capture enemy scouts they could turn them into zombies have them rid back into camp then start killing, effectively putting an army hostile to their enemy in the middle of their enemies camp.  devilish
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« Reply #11 on: 07 May 2007, 02:14:27 »

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« Reply #12 on: 13 May 2007, 19:19:47 »

Okay I am back and I see my post created some minor debates, Sorry:

Now that I think of it. Yes I am very wrong on naming it cloning spell, I should just have put Division spell or something.

I didn't really think of it as 'cloning', but rather duplicating things in general.
Well I really did not mean duplicating is the right word but rather dividing. What I mean is that instead of creating a spell that would create an exact copies of the original will make a mage unstoppable (because even if the spell uses so much energy, you can just rest and replicate yourself to almost an infinite number) so I was meaning to create a dividing spell where the original is divided into two which means everything, every skill, every talent will also divided into two. This will make the spell harder to cast.

I feel its impossible to split a person in half and both sides still be alive, Not because I dont think the body can be split in half but the soul. How can you live with half a soul, how can you live with half a spirit. Personally I think its impossible.


(Ps, I'd reccomend the name be changed to duplication spell since cloning is a scientific word)
Well think about it. Identical twins comes from one cell arent they? The cell is "divided into two" but that does not mean they have half a body, or soul because they become a whole in a sense. What I mean when I say Car'all split into two is that you take half (or more but all should be equal) of the original amount and seperate them.

For example when two kilos of cement is divided into two, the other half is put into another bag then now it isnt half, now it is whole in a sense because it is seperated and became a new bag of cement. Right? And if the original two kilos is used in a construction then it will be stronger but if it is turned into half which now became a whole will posses lesser quality than the original. This is the reason that if u divide a living thing, everything will be 1/2 less. Power, strenght, talents (it is a side effect).


Perhaps. It would depend on whether the total number of ounia present made a difference or not (otherwise halving the amounts wouldn't give two entities equal to the previous).
Yes this is what I mean because dividing the car'all will also divide everything in that particular person or object.

Well so is this possible?
(Sorry I cant explain my ideas in english very welll (not native))
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« Reply #13 on: 13 May 2007, 20:32:38 »

1. Skills and such aren't things that can be divided. 

2. You can splt a car'all into two, but it splits the object into two as well.  As in two half-objects.  You need to make further changes (lots of it) to turn them into two whole objects.  This is about as hard as creating a new object from scratch, IMO. 

Remember, it's not only the amount of ounia that matters (in fact the absolute amount doesn't matter so much, just how much each element has relative to the others).  The structure of the car'all matters a lot too, so you shouldn't be comparing it to things like cement or single cells, but rather more complex things, eg. a building, or a computer program. 
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« Reply #14 on: 19 May 2007, 03:11:15 »

the spell would have to create two smaller, equal car'all from the first one. the problem here is that the size of a car'all does not have to be linked to the size of the object in question. In fact, this proces is much more likely to produce two similar objects not even related to what you started with, as both the balance between the elements as the actualy amount of Ounia, as their composition defines what something is.
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