* 
Welcome Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?


*
gfxgfx Home Forum Help Search Login Register   gfxgfx
gfx gfx
gfx
Pages: [1] 2 3
Print
Author Topic: The White Lady - in the right forum ;)  (Read 8928 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Irid alMenie
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 46
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 958



View Profile
« on: 06 August 2008, 05:06:38 »

Meh, almost done, but now they're telling me I have to go to bed. I wanna finish! Anyway... reposting this with the right format and in the right forum. Night!

07-08-1668: There! Comments are very much welcomed. I blatantly stole Bard Judith's paragraph for my Note, for which my apologies, and if she wants to be written as co-writer that's fine by me :P. One thing I would like to know is how to include Gean's present... Any ideas there are welcome!

Ok, go ahead and break it down so that it can come out all the more glorious lol

13-08-1668: Rookie's and Gean's comments integrated in teal (except the grammatical/spelling corrections, cause I'm lazy :P)

20-08-1668: Deci's comments will be integrated in red!


The White Lady

Overview

The apparitions known as 'White Lady', or in some regions The Grey Lady, are ghosts that have been sighted from Varcopas to the Icelands. Dressed in white or grey, they walk about in the spot that is said to be the place of their death. The manner of their death can sometimes be deduced from her appearance – for example, if a White Lady is walking near a lake shore with wet hair and clothes, it may be safe to assume she drowned.

They show themselves mainly to children and elderly people. While this could be attributed to an overactive imagination or senility respectively, it would be a very great coincidince that imagination and senility both produced reports that so closely resembled each other, even in cases where one would not expect the reporter to be influenced by other stories. Although there are relatively many sightings for so elusive a phenomenon, it seems that only humans are able to see them. It is noticeable that, compared to the amount of people living near some of the places where White Ladies appear, there are fewer sightings than could reasonably be expected if they were tangible, yet more than can be dismissed out of hand.

Appearance

It is not easy to give a clear picture of the White Ladies' appearance, since in life they were each a different person. However, there do seem to be some common points, the most prominent of which is the dress, which according to almost all reports is of a white colour, as white as their face and even hair. In one region – namely the Rimmerin's Ring – she is dressed in grey clothes, although her hair and face remain white. The reason for this is not clear from the stories, however.

Another resemblance between the White Ladies is their hair, which is almost always worn long and loose. Only in a few instances was it said that it was done up with ribbons, so that that particular White Lady resembled more a young girl than a grown woman.

Other than that, however, their appearance varies greatly from one sighting to the next, depending on the region where they were seen. At times they are as a woman in the bloom of her life (if, quite obviously, dead), at others they are older, wrinkles visible around her eyes and mouth, although still standing tall and proud, not yet so old as to be stooped over with age. Lastly, they may appear as a younger woman, on the brink of discovering life. These are the times when their hair is bedecked with ribbons.

Special Abilities

As far as we have been able to gather from oral or written reports of encounters, the White Ladies do not have any special powers, other than being visible after her death. They simply appear – sometimes once a year, sometimes in a certain season or on definite dates – and after a while she disappears again. This period is often one hour long, or else they complete a certain ritual (such as the Iceland Lady) before going.

Territory

Mention of a White Lady has been made as far back as 2000 b.S. It is possible that this one, or another, was sighted even before that, but there are no written or oral sources left to confirm this. The oldest remaining source speaks of a “Lady, clad all in white, wandering at night on the road leading from Klinsor to Three Arcs Keep, or seen on the battlements of the Keep”. The text goes on to speculate that she is the ghost of a young woman, a daughter of the Keep, waiting for her lover, who left her one day with the promise of returning, but he never showed. She waited in vain for two days, and then went out to search for him, but she -likewise- never returned, except as a White Lady. The text is not signed, and it is now impossible to ascertain who wrote it. More recently the legend was repeated in a treatise by Waudrin Ghortz, contemporary researcher of all things supernatural, in which he tries to refute the existence of even one White Lady. He claims that the phenomenon cannot be real, since only humans can 'see' these White Ladies, and none of the other races can. Therefore, Waudrin says, they cannot possibly be more than myth.

Afterwards, many more sightings were reported, both of the Lady of the Keep and other White Ladies. It would be near impossible to list each of the Ladies, but the following list is a compilation of the most common sightings.

-Rimmerin's Ring: This 'Grey Lady', rather than a White Lady, is first mentioned around the time of the unification of Southern Sarvonia. Up to the present day, some locals claim to have seen her, wandering around the Stonedale Quarry. Oral traditions about her origins persist to this day. She is claimed to be Franja Swanvild, a rich nobleman's daughter who had fallen in love with a simple farmer and lain with him. When her father discovered she was with child, he took her to the top of the Quarry and pushed her to her death. Ever since, she is reported to come to the Quarry on the anniversary of her death, wander around the Quarry, and vanish one hour later.

-The Icelands Lady: A rather more contemporary sighting is the White Lady in the lands of the Remusians. She was first seen in the winter of the year 1655 a.S., walking the battlements of the city, one time from start to finish. She has been spotted a few times since then, but always in winter. Although a name is not attributed to her, she is believed to be a widow grieving for her husband, a soldier lost in the year 1654, when orcs besieged the city.

-On the Ximaxian peninsula, on the shore of the Diamond lake, each summer solstice the figure of a  young girl in her wedding clothes can be seen. It is said that she is the ghost of a young wind mage, newly wed, whose jealous bridegroom murdered her on their wedding night, and buried her near the lake shore. It is not known why he was jealous. In all likelihood he was paranoid that she would cheat on him, even if she never gave him a real cause to think that. On the summer solstice she stands on a rocky outcrop overlooking the lake, a wind blowing in her hair and clothes, even when the rest of the environment is utterly still.

-The Lorehold Lady: There is also rumoured to be a White Lady in the university buildings of the Lorehold. She is said to have been a librarian, pining for a love that was forever out of her reach. According to some reports, it is possible to see her when you are carrying a certain book – however, which book exactly is a point of contention.

Many more examples of White Ladies could be given. All the collected reports came from the Sarvonian continent, however. It is unknown whether the more exotic continents, such as Nybelmar or Aeruillin, know a similar phenomenon.

Habitat/Behaviour

Again there is some correspondence between the different Ladies, in Behaviour as well as Appearance. Most of the time they do not seem aware of the person seeing them, rather they are looking out as if waiting for someone. In a few instances they have been known to approach the living (often a child or an elder), beseeching them with outstretched arms, although it is not clear what they would have them do. They disappear before actually reaching the person. It seems that they do not speak; in fact, all reports claim that not a sound comes from them, except perhaps the rustling of their white gown.

Another aspect of the White Ladies that all the sightings agree on is their profound sadness, which touches hearts likely to be moved and leaves the living wishing they could have helped her somehow. In contrast to the Wailwoman, however, meeting a White Lady is not likely to result in insanity or death.

Myth/Lore

It is said that White Ladies can choose who they appear to, which might account for the relatively small number of sightings in heavily populated areas. The reason this was not added to the Special Abilities section is that there might be other possibilities. It does seem unlikely, since according to many of the reports they are not aware that someone sees them. On the other hand however, prospective ghost-hunters must be warned – one must not go looking for them, for then they will not show themselves. Alternative explanations include, if they are real, that certain individuals have a heightened sense of their presence or even just a closer affinity with otherworldly phenomena, or if they are not, that they are merely a fiction of the imagination.

They are most often seen by children and elders. Popular myth says that if a child sees a White Lady, that she will bless it and protect it throughout its life. In contrast, when one is seen by an older person, it is said to foretell their death – a peaceful death after a long life, surrounded by friends and family. It is said to be a guarantee that they will not feel pain or go in a violent manner. This is why older people are not always sorry if they think they have seen a White Lady. However, both these myths are hard to prove, as is usual for myths.

Related to these two myths is the curious tale of the Mardran family, living close to the Stonedale Quarry. They claim that the Grey Lady favours their family, for many of the members have seen her – not once, but twice in their lives. Once when they were children, and once again when they were old. Without judging the accuracy of this claim, the family does prosper, and the children seem to have a guardian watching over them, making sure that they do not get into an accident of any kind and reach a respectable age, after which they die peacefully. One example would be the time that Jorgun Mardran – grandfather at the time he was interviewed – was playing on the road near the house when one of the Baneg bulls broke out. It seemed to be heading straight for him, but at the last moment swerved to the right, saving Jorgun from certain death. If the claims of the family are true, the Mardran family is perhaps descended from the farmer who the Grey Lady originally fell in love with.

A source of as much debate as their existence is their rest. Is it possible to help a White Lady, so that she leaves earthly bonds behind and moves on? Rumours are elusive, but it does seem as though a few Ladies have laid down their burden – whether through human intervention or otherworldly, it is hard to discern. In any case, some of the sightings date from far back, and no new sighting has been made in that exact place.

Other

Interesting to note is the White Lady Mountain, in the Prominent Mountain range. She bore her name long before there was mention of the apparition, but her connection with the ghost dates from around 1000 b.S., when an anonymous bard from a nearby town wrote the 'Lay of the Lady' – wholly ficticious, but it drew travellers to see the frozen waterfalls that he mentions, where the Lady was supposed to have met her violent death, or to trek to the shallow, yet snowy top where she is supposed to dwell on certain nights. Interestingly enough, some of these trekkers even claim to have seen her! The end of the Lay follows here. The whole poem can be found in the Library.

Within a year he had returned
But she would not run down to him
Instead she turned, ran back and burned
Their house and threw herself therein.

Or maybe she went to the top
Of the White Lady mountain where
Beneath its flanks her life did stop
And did she find her lover there.

And every spring the mountain cries
Fresh tears from frozen waterfalls
Just like a flame, before it lies
And is put out by sudden flaws.

And if you venture past the tears
Of hope and up the mountain side
You might feel that the Lady nears

The tales of the White Ladies inspired the talented bard Gean Firefeet to write a song about them, which starts as follows:

Fair Lady in White

She leaves not a trace, not a shadow you see
But when she comes by she looks always at me
Her fair eyes; like flowers with frostbite they be
So haunted, not sparkling, no trace left of glee.

Fair lady in white, won’t you tell me your name
Or tell me at least if we aren’t the same
Did fate break your heart or did he find a dame
Who suited him more, tell me, who is to blame?

Compendiumist's Note:

“White Ladies” have been spotted from Varcopas to the Icelands, so they can be called a definite phenomenon - but how they come into existence, why they are only ever female, and why they 'walk' when other slain females are at rest is as yet unknown. The sceptics - led by Waudrin - would say that is because they are no more than the figments of some senile imagination... but then why are these tales so prevalent across our country, and from so many different sources? Children, grand-dams, elders and maidens, have all reported sighting the White Lady, and her legend is known everywhere.

In an attempt to describe the phenomenon – if not to ascertain their actual existence – this humble Compendiumist has talked with some of those who claim they have seen a White Lady, among whom the aforementioned Jorgun Mardran. It seems that, while some families believe they have a special connection with this or that Lady, there is not much distinction in who is graced with a glimpse of her. In each community where a White Lady is rumoured to walk, the local populace is a firm believer in her existence, even among those individuals (usually almost the whole village, with but one or two exceptions) who have not personally seen her. Outside these communities, scepticism is much greater.
« Last Edit: 24 August 2008, 15:42:18 by Artimidor Federkiel » Logged

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
Irid al'Menie
Gean Firefeet
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 13
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1.562



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: 06 August 2008, 08:03:44 »

My father used to collect folktales of the surrounding countrysides. One of the many returning themes is 'het witte wief', translatable to roughly 'white woman', who are fairly comparable to the entry above. 's Why it immediately caught my eye, Irid.

I like the concept, naturally very much. I'd put something in it about why they are always female, as I can imagine that there must be truckloads of males dying an unhappy death as well. In your note I'd say something about 'visiting local people' to verify the stories. I'd also go a little more into detail in the specific locations you mention. What does the local population think of them. Are they always seen by one family and does the Lady serve as a protective angel (like that idea, if you could have sources throughout the centuries), but distrusted by the rest of the community? Is it always that one fellow who spots them, who everybody thought a looney already? What about 'ghostbusters', are they hunted for anything? Thought to keep some treasure? Can I put one in the Lorehold? Kidding, but it would be a fun to put one there, really... or perhaps somewhere else in Santhworld. Which naturally leads to the next question... can they be 'put to rest'. If so, how? Or perhaps you have only speculations on this subject?

Some comments on language:
It is said that the White Lady can choose who she appears to
"to whom she appears" is more natural.
The reason this was not added to the Special Abilities section is that there are also other possibilities, and it seems unlikely, since in many reports she is not aware that someone sees her.
The structure doesn't really help in understanding the information you give. Consider rewriting ;) Perhaps in two sentences, e.g.:
The reason this was not added to the Special Abilities section is that there might be other explanations as well. Especially the reports that record no interaction from the side of the White Lady seem to disprove it.
Logged

"Blessed is the man who calls an aj his friend."
- Shendar Proverb
"If music be the food of love, play on; Give me excess of it..."
- Shakespeare's Twelfth Night
Bard Judith
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 365
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 7.650


Dwarvenmistress


View Profile Homepage
« Reply #2 on: 06 August 2008, 09:16:37 »

Let me put in my appreciative voice as well, Irid!

She's such a natural addition to our folklore (wait till Art sees her!) and you've nicely positioned her sightings in a variety of areas, to make it a veritable 'meme'.   I'd add a few more, and I'd actually be careful NOT to have them all too specific.   "The White Lady' should be one of those generic urban legends that just could be true.... just enough to make the hairs on your neck tingle...   Not to disagree with Gean's points, only saying don't give a purported origin and name for your Lady in every case.



"White Ladies' have been spotted from Varcopas to the Icelands, so they can be called a definite phenomenon - but how they come into existence, why they are only ever female, and why they 'walk' when other slain females are at rest is as yet unknown.  The skeptics - led by Waudrin - would say that is because they are no more than the figments of some senile imagination... but then why are these tales so prevalent across our country, and from so many different sources?  Children, grand-dams, elders and maidens, have all reported sighting the White Lady, and her legend is known everywhere.

I actually have a sketch that would make a great Lorehold White Lady, if you like the idea... :D
Logged

"Give me a land of boughs in leaf /  a land of trees that stand; / where trees are fallen there is grief; /  I love no leafless land."   --A.E. Housman
 
Irid alMenie
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 46
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 958



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: 06 August 2008, 19:12:31 »

YUS! I was gonna ask if someone wanted a white lady somewhere, so one in the Lorehold would be excellent! And like I said, I only listed the ones that are most often sighted, but there are many more than just those ;)

And I made them pretty specific (I was gonna add that there were many more as well, apart from the ones I listed) for a reason. Ok, so we don't want to be too terran, but I thought it'd be nice if we could have some correspondence with the terran White Ladies, and if you look at the Wikipedia entry on them, they're all specific as well :)

More work will be done on this this afternoon!
Logged

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
Irid al'Menie
Gean Firefeet
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 13
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1.562



View Profile
« Reply #4 on: 06 August 2008, 20:28:54 »

K, if so, then I'll gladly take up the glove and ask Arti if we have room for one. I'd like your cooperation to make some quest out of it, based (partly) on your information provided here. If all works out in the end, you could list her here in the entry as well, as a sort of clue towards Santhworld...

[edit]As an afterthought... White Lady is the perfect name for a mountain with a top covered with perpetual snow or whatever the appropiate terminology is. Might be an idea for somewhere up north?
« Last Edit: 06 August 2008, 20:38:17 by Gean Firefeet » Logged

"Blessed is the man who calls an aj his friend."
- Shendar Proverb
"If music be the food of love, play on; Give me excess of it..."
- Shakespeare's Twelfth Night
Bard Judith
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 365
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 7.650


Dwarvenmistress


View Profile Homepage
« Reply #5 on: 06 August 2008, 20:38:10 »

Yay!  Then I can certainly sweeten the pot for our Sage by promising a picture with the quest, eh?  Make sure to mention that little detail, will you, Gean?      Awesomeness and glee....
Logged

"Give me a land of boughs in leaf /  a land of trees that stand; / where trees are fallen there is grief; /  I love no leafless land."   --A.E. Housman
 
Gean Firefeet
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 13
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1.562



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: 06 August 2008, 20:39:13 »

I'll make a Post Scriptum immediately. By the way, what do you think of the suggestion edited in above?
Logged

"Blessed is the man who calls an aj his friend."
- Shendar Proverb
"If music be the food of love, play on; Give me excess of it..."
- Shakespeare's Twelfth Night
Bard Judith
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 365
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 7.650


Dwarvenmistress


View Profile Homepage
« Reply #7 on: 06 August 2008, 21:34:36 »

(jealously wishes she'd thought of it) 

Oh yeah!  A perfect tie-in.

Hmmmm....

  Perhaps the mountain was named for its shape and lovely white veiling -  nothing to do with a tragic legend - UNTIL the rise of the 'White Lady' stories - and then some local town minstrel decided to try to attract more attention to his little hamlet by creating and singing a 'Lay of the White Lady' - entirely fictitious, but drawing travellers and trampers to come gape at the 'frozen cataract where that beauteous maiden met her death' and tramp up to the snowy albeit shallow summit...

:)

Edited:  Ooooh, and perhaps mysteriously, after this, any number of trekkers then saw our very own 'Spectre of the Brocken' sweeping its white skirts across the high passes, setting the stamp of authenticity upon what we still know to be an invented tale!
« Last Edit: 06 August 2008, 21:36:07 by Bard Judith » Logged

"Give me a land of boughs in leaf /  a land of trees that stand; / where trees are fallen there is grief; /  I love no leafless land."   --A.E. Housman
 
Azhira Styralias
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 132
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 2.774


Mód’dél’áey


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: 06 August 2008, 21:55:27 »

[edit]As an afterthought... White Lady is the perfect name for a mountain with a top covered with perpetual snow or whatever the appropiate terminology is. Might be an idea for somewhere up north?

Yeah, yeah! I like this idea! Perhaps a tall mountain in the Prominent Mountain range? Or the Gathorn range in the Icelands?  thumbup)
Logged

No, I would not want to live in a world without dragons, as I would not want to live in a world without magic, for that is a world without mystery, and that is a world without faith. And that, I fear, for any reasoning, conscious being, would be the cruelest trick of all.
Artimidor Federkiel
Administrator
*****

Gained Aura: 538
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 23.091



View Profile Homepage
« Reply #9 on: 06 August 2008, 22:04:35 »

Oh, I'm all for a White Lady in the Lorehold, at least it is a game where interesting things should happen, and having a ghost in it makes it very exciting. There could be people who laugh off its existence, others might show you how to find her and give you background info etc. And if we have a picture to go with it, the better! Great idea!  thumbup

Question is only how to integrate such a White Lady into a quest - if you have concrete ideas, Gean, be my guest :D I'd like to note that we now have the possibility for example to go through the cellar if you are carrying a lamp (and have it turned on), so this could provide an eerie atmosphere to go down there and maybe eventually spot the White Lady somewhere. Would ideally require a background image that could be used for the cellar in general.
« Last Edit: 06 August 2008, 22:30:25 by Artimidor Federkiel » Logged



"Between the mind that plans and the hands that build there must be a mediator, and this must be the heart." -- Maria (Metropolis)
Irid alMenie
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 46
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 958



View Profile
« Reply #10 on: 06 August 2008, 22:15:09 »

Hehe, you guys are giving me a lot to add in here :P Do go on though!

Any ideas what the background story for the Lorehold Lady might be?
Logged

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
Irid al'Menie
Gean Firefeet
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 13
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1.562



View Profile
« Reply #11 on: 06 August 2008, 22:56:57 »

Would a male-shy, bookloving, lost-love-broken-heart type librarian be a perfect White Lady?

As a thought for how to fit her in the game, it might be that she only shows up when you carry a certain item with you. Perhaps a book of love poems she loved dearly, which again gives a chance to put our best poems somewhere in the Lorehold for a read by the general public.
Logged

"Blessed is the man who calls an aj his friend."
- Shendar Proverb
"If music be the food of love, play on; Give me excess of it..."
- Shakespeare's Twelfth Night
Irid alMenie
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 46
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 958



View Profile
« Reply #12 on: 06 August 2008, 23:05:15 »

Ohh, great idea Gean! :D
Logged

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
Irid al'Menie
Gean Firefeet
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 13
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1.562



View Profile
« Reply #13 on: 07 August 2008, 01:32:05 »

*taps Irid gently on the shoulder*

M'lady, I have a present for you :)
Logged

"Blessed is the man who calls an aj his friend."
- Shendar Proverb
"If music be the food of love, play on; Give me excess of it..."
- Shakespeare's Twelfth Night
Irid alMenie
Santh. Member
***

Gained Aura: 46
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 958



View Profile
« Reply #14 on: 07 August 2008, 23:17:25 »

07-08-1668: There! Comments are very much welcomed. I blatantly stole Bard Judith's paragraph for my Note, for which my apologies, and if she wants to be written as co-writer that's fine by me . One thing I would like to know is how to include Gean's present... Any ideas there are welcome!

Ok, go ahead and break it down so that it can come out all the more glorious lol
Logged

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
Irid al'Menie
Pages: [1] 2 3
Print
Jump to:  

Recent
[27 March 2019, 00:01:57]

[21 June 2018, 14:28:00]

[31 May 2017, 06:35:55]

[06 May 2017, 05:27:04]

[03 April 2017, 01:15:03]

[26 March 2017, 12:48:25]

[15 March 2017, 02:23:07]

[15 March 2017, 02:20:28]

[15 March 2017, 02:17:52]

[14 March 2017, 20:23:43]

[06 February 2017, 04:53:35]

[31 January 2017, 08:45:52]

[15 December 2016, 15:50:49]

[26 November 2016, 23:16:38]

[27 October 2016, 07:42:01]

[27 September 2016, 18:51:05]

[11 September 2016, 23:17:33]

[11 September 2016, 23:15:27]

[11 September 2016, 22:58:56]

[03 September 2016, 22:22:23]
Members
Total Members: 1019
Latest: lolanixon
Stats
Total Posts: 144588
Total Topics: 11052
Online Today: 41
Online Ever: 700
(23 January 2020, 20:05:39)
Users Online
Users: 0
Guests: 29
Total: 29

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2005, Simple Machines
TinyPortal v0.9.8 © Bloc
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Theme based on Cerberus with Risen adjustments by Bloc and Krelia
Modified By Artimidor for The Santharian Dream
gfx
gfxgfx gfxgfx