Another shot at the orc tribe pic

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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #60 on: 24 June 2009, 01:42:48 »

Is that's the one we have now at Seeker's Gouran pic? Maybe this warg here could be used for another beast and we get the final version trimmed a bit in the direction of the description?


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #61 on: 24 June 2009, 01:52:00 »

Quote from: Artimidor Federkiel on 24 June 2009, 01:42:48

Maybe this warg here could be used for another beast and we get the final version trimmed a bit in the direction of the description?

What do you mean? Do you want me to change the warg according to the new description, or...?


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« Reply #62 on: 24 June 2009, 04:56:18 »

That would be necessary, yes, as we're depicting a Rhom-Oc here, so the warg would need to be a Rhom-Oc. We could still use the current warg to depict another kind, though.


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« Reply #63 on: 25 June 2009, 05:07:08 »

all right! here is a new warg, shaved ears, short stubby (for a warg) nose, and a more dynamic and involved pose. whatcha think?


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #64 on: 25 June 2009, 06:45:48 »

I may not know art... or wargs... or orcs... but I know what I like. I like this.


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« Reply #65 on: 25 June 2009, 07:47:23 »

Looks great, I love the style, and the orc's face is really excellant. Looks a little Navajo, actually. Anyways, one thing: perhap[s have him interacting with his warg: it looks almost as if the warg's snarling at something, so perhaps have the orc looking at the Warg, or in the direction the warg is snarling?


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« Reply #66 on: 25 June 2009, 10:11:20 »

I REALLY like that warg! It looks more like a character and not quite so generic "monster" beast.

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« Reply #67 on: 25 June 2009, 10:26:14 »

I like the poses immensely - it looks as if the warg has just sensed something and begun to growl or twitch and the orc is about to switch his gaze down to react to that! And yes, that is a beast with a lot of personality - I know we're lavishing the aura points around today, but honestly, that deserves it.

Wish I was that quick to get back with changes (and patient about it)...


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #68 on: 26 June 2009, 03:28:50 »

The warg look pretty cool - let's see what Garret has to say on it

- Two things still bother me:

First, our orc is still pretty lean, while these guys are meant to not exceed the height of 1.6 (and we have to go for the typical Rhom-Oc here). Moving the upper body somewhat down and making the hand a bit smallee/thicker could do the trick!

Secondly, Nsiki pointed that interaction thingy out. Well, yes, it indeed looks a bit strange: The orc looks ahead in his direction, to the right, while the warg seems to look straight at the viewer. If you look at it for a while that doesn't really fit, although both on their own are very well done. Maybe if you let the orc's eyes move a bit in the direction of the warg, so that he actually looks at it, this would work better for the composition. But I don't know if that can be effectively done without changing the head part more seriously. Hope you get the idea what I'm trying to say.


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #69 on: 26 June 2009, 03:43:44 »

Looks great, but a couple things to point out. Hopefully not too difficult to work with.

1. The muzzle still look a bit long-ish.
2. The front set of longer teeth should be two to three times the length of the second set.
3. The forelegs look a little too grey and the fur a little too clean cut. Should be a little shaggier around the paws at least.


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #70 on: 26 June 2009, 15:31:48 »

@Garret: thanks for the comments! I'll shorten the muzzle and will add some more darker fur onto the legs. about the fangs though - do I make the front fangs longer, rear ones shorter, or both?

@Nsikigan: It was not my intention to depict a snarl/growl, merely an open mouth, but it's not important. The rhom-oc orcs were clearly inpired by the native americans the way I read the description, so I'm glad you noticed my effort.
The thing about interaction though: it's about a mutual hunt, about a late moment during that hunt, where they stopped to rest for a moment and look around and think a bit. I wanted to depict a scene where the orc is staring ahead of him, pondering the deeper meaning of a failed hunting party, and the warg is doing his own thing - searching for prey perhaps, or just being a warg - not worrying about stuff. maybe he looked in the direction his orc friend was looking, and found nothing of interest there (because there isn't anything the orc is looking at!), and went back to looking and sniffing around. That moment is depicted here. That's why they are not looking at the same thing, at each other, or doing any other form of "interaction", apart from being close to each other - the warg might be sensing the orc's darker mood, and wants to keep him company thus giving him the comfort it can provide, and maybe shooting an occasional gaze at him as well.

@Artimidor: I already made the warg almost twice the size of the originally (seemingly) accepted one, to indicate the size relationship between the two. I made the orc's head slightly bigger, his shoulders smaller, his hands smaller. making them any smaller will make them unproportionally small. making them thicker will make the orc look more stubby/fat, which is not what I want to depict, not the way I see him. He might be small, but he's lean. He's not a dwarf, just a smallish humanoid. There isn't anything else I could do to make it more clear that I can think of, apart from including things that of a certain size known to you that would help you see the relative size of the orc. It's a natural setting, so any man made things are out of the question. I included the bird skull for that purpose, but it obviously didn't do the trick.

So unless anyone has any brilliant ideas about fixing this problem, there is nothing I can do about it.


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #71 on: 26 June 2009, 17:12:39 »

Hey, I thought that orc looks into the distance - or has just an inner picture in his mind, not really seeing anything from his surroundings! Now, are you so good in depicting it or I so cute in seeing it

Keep it as it is, it is very fine this way (my opinion! )


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #72 on: 26 June 2009, 20:40:43 »

I don't think this needs anything other than the little details about the warg.

Speaking as a dauber in virtual paint myself, I know just how frustrating, and sometimes how difficult, it can be to make changes that others see as both essential and easy. For me, it's often simply beyond my still-developing abilities to make the alterations requested - though sometimes what seems a little change can be an entire redraw from scratch, because non-artists don't understand how a picture is built up, layer by layer and stroke by stroke. Digital doesn't mean easy.


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #73 on: 27 June 2009, 00:59:56 »

A little of both now that you mention it. The rear teeth should be just a little bit shorter and the front ones 2-3 times the length of the back ones.


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Re: Another shot at the orc tribe pic

« Reply #74 on: 30 June 2009, 03:15:34 »

Yeah, I absolutely agree that it isn't easy to change around something in a certain direction that would look just a tad more appropriate. In many cases this is not worth the effort to change an entire picture just for something minor. That's perfectly fine with me as well - plus, Faugar made such an elaborate explanation of who looks where and why, that the rest of the landscape already forms in your head reading this. And if our dear friend the warg looks a bit longer it might spot that rabbit hopping around there somewhere!

"Inner picture in his mind..." An Austrian (German?) might say he's looking into the "Narrenkastl" which translates to English as "fool's box"... lol

Which is when you look nowehere in particular, entirely absent-minded somehow. Though I think the orc 's quite focused on something. Yet I wonder whether there's an English equivalent to that "fool's box"... cool

Ok, I'd say, just get to Garret's suggestions concerning the warg, that should deal with it! thumbup


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