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« Reply #15 on: 18 June 2009, 22:42:44 »

Coren, you're unfairly talented at this sort of stuff. Just thought you should know.   jawdrop  You have a gift for making all of the complex magical theory we've got going here easier to understand, and I commend you for that. A lot.
Can I give out aura points? I don't really know, I'm not familiar with the system...but +1 aura to you (I hope) for your magical adeptness.

Anyways – just popped in to drop some info in response to Mina's question:

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(BTW, isn't it spelled Car'all, or was the spelling changed while I was away?)

As far as the elves are concerned, there is cár'áll (and plural, cár'allía), theoretically composed of the oún (rather, many ounía), which are connected by xeuá links.

I'd think it natural, though, that through the years human mages have simplified those burdensome beasts of orthography and now speak in terms of the carall (carallia) and its ounia (singular oun). Lord knows the elves are crazy anyways.

EDIT: Ah, I see that I can't add aura. But it's the thought that counts, eh?
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« Reply #16 on: 19 June 2009, 01:49:08 »

I did it for you ;)

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« Reply #17 on: 20 June 2009, 02:55:21 »

Thank you, everyone, for taking the time to comment on this!

@ Quel: Thanks for the kind words! You made my day! I'm really glad it's intelligible!

@ Talia: hug Thanks!

@ Mina:

- "Reader be warned" - umm, yeah... That must have slipped...

- Spelling of carall: Ditto what Quel said. Those apostrophes and accents got a bit burdensome, so I.. well... got rid of them...

- Re Parts in brackets - they all represent asides FrozenZephyr makes in the lecture.

- Universal Carall: This is sort of tied to the point above: That's why I always added the clarification/aside, "universal", in brackets afterwards. Frozenzephyr making clear which term he is referring to as he speaks.

- Re Q2: Yes.

- Re Homework: You used "individual aura" twice, but omitted Content. (Btw, it isn't a perfect analogy - especially as regards the shape of the sand-castle and the mould used. But nothing better occurred to me at the time)

- Re Q1: I don't think I can decide this single-handedly. Seems to be a development issue that requires discussion/voting. Personally, I would prefer it if there actually are people believed to be Raw mages - in addition to all the mythology surrounding Weavers. They need not be "strong" raw magi, mind you. I just think there might be a lot of magic on different continents (or certain effects achieved by those systems) that might not be reproducible by ordinary Ximaxian magic and might need to be explained by reference to RM instead. Could be a moot point among Ximaxians - some claiming these are examples (if primitive) of RM, others rejecting it.

- Re Weavers: Ok. Will make the allusion more oblique. I just wanted that paragraph there so that I don't forget my thoughts on Weavers come next year.

- Re Xeua links: To be honest, I've never given much thought to what they are and how they operate. So they must be the subject matter of another "lecture" - as you say, they probably are too technical for an introductory seminar anyway.

Thanks again!
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« Reply #18 on: 20 June 2009, 03:12:28 »

Attachment updated! Additions following Mina's comments in green. :)

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« Reply #19 on: 21 June 2009, 01:56:40 »

Looks fine to me and you addressed all of Mina's comments.  Since the update is this weekend I can't think of any reasons why we shouldn't put this up.
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« Reply #20 on: 21 June 2009, 15:30:41 »

Yup, it should be alright. 

I think my question about Universal Carall terminology might have been misunderstood though.  What I meant was, since the entry seems to say that "Universal Carall" is a Human term, and since capital and lower case letters don't sound any different in speech, do Elves have some way of distinguishing the Universal and Individual Carall concepts in speech, or do they eg. depend on context to tell the difference?  But come to think of it, this doesn't really matter for this entry. 

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I just think there might be a lot of magic on different continents (or certain effects achieved by those systems) that might not be reproducible by ordinary Ximaxian magic and might need to be explained by reference to RM instead. Could be a moot point among Ximaxians - some claiming these are examples (if primitive) of RM, others rejecting it.
I agree.  That's probably a good way to handle it.  Though one wonders why Ximaxians haven't tried to figure out how to perform Raw magic yet.  Or have they?   :D
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« Reply #21 on: 21 June 2009, 19:31:52 »

Wonderful!  I have the sense that I'm sitting being lectured at - and yet enjoying it, with the academic wit spiking the technical details...   reminds me of some of my more lovable professors....

Some nits to pick, mostly to do with vocabulary as I really can't know whether the technical/magickal details are accurate - I'm the one learning from this lecture!


'sermon' - are we all ok with that?  I presume priests of various gods can have sermons, hymns, chants, and the like?

'electricity' - er, I think we MIGHT have observed static electricity and lightning but don't have the concept of 'electric force' in quite so modern a word.   You could substitute 'alsetism' as another example.

'puritans' - change to 'purists' - same meaning without referring to the specific historical group

'prisms' - I guess this is all right - if we have the technology to create lenses, we should certainly be able to observe how light is split by a prism.  Though I don't know if you can merely assume the conclusion that it 'filters out only the X light' quite so complacently.....

'tweezers'.... too reminiscent of sixties eyebrow-plucking devices - perhaps 'pincers' or 'tongs' would give a more archaic feel?

"But you can funnel the Form down from Human to Man (as opposed to Woman) than to Old Man than to Sick Old Man etc. "   - 'then', not 'than'

" Don’t ask what a master of Resonance Magic will do with pinks pants – powerful man"  should be 'pink pants' and 'men'  (and by the way I LOVE that example AND the fact that you then give the students mental homework with the next example! 

I don't think 'transpose' is quite the right word there though - let me think about that...

Why does it seem to end so suddenly with that example, and no reference to elephants?  Am I reading an incomplete copy?


Again, this is a brilliant piece of work.  A much-deserved aura point for you, dear Professor Zephyr....

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« Reply #22 on: 21 June 2009, 20:24:13 »

Ah, I should have spotted those (especially the simple typos like th(a)n, m(a)n, pink(s) etc) - thanks Judith! Btw, you have the correct version. The sand-elephant morphed into a castle somewhere between the first and second draft but a few of them must have been hiding in the crevices of the text ;) Sorry about that!

I'll fix those and upload a new version :)

@Mina: Ah, I see what you mean. I guess my point was that when they use the word car'all, elves only refer to the Universal Aura (ie they don't really buy this idea of individual carallia). But as you say, that's a discussion for another time.

Re Raw magic: I don't know! :D I make these up as I go along, you know... ;)
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« Reply #23 on: 21 June 2009, 20:35:13 »

Done! Updated version posted. I've read through it again - hopefully I did not miss any typos this time! I must be getting sloppier  huh
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« Reply #24 on: 25 June 2009, 04:47:10 »

Hmm, downloaded it already last week and didn't see, that it was already blarrowed. I did so far the first part only anyway. as I spent time, I'll post it, but ignore it, if you like.

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In fact you will spend a whole semester introducing yourselves to the Carall concept...


Our seminar is structured in two parts. In the first section – which is today’s class – you will mainly be lectured at. Next week we shall devote the entire session to questions and answers. That said, should you require further clarification you are welcome to interrupt me at any point. You need not worry about disrupting the lecture; if I do not wish to deal with your query, I will ignore you anyway.

That might be a bit misleading. You say, you will need a whole semester, and then you pack it in today‘s class?

The definition of Carall

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A note on terminology: The term “carall” can refer to a number of different concepts. “THE CARALL” (in capitals) refers to the Universal Carall, the aura that underlies the whole universe. “Carall” without any articles (a/the) usually denotes auratic energy, the purest form of energy from which all matter and other forms of energy descend

Not having read more, I have one question - where is the difference between ‚Universal Carall‘ and ‚auratic energy‘, it seems to me, that it could be the same.

Universal Carall = the aura that underlies the whole universe.
Carall = auratic energy, the purest form of energy (from which all matter and other forms of energy descend)
Why do they not derive from the Universal CARALL? I have problems with seeing a different concept.


The Universal Carall: the uncarved block
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This is why elves see the aura as “possibilities of creation” and why their ancient texts speak of carall as the “infinite potential” for being. The Carall is this pure, unprocessed energy. It is the “uncarved block” that harbours infinite possibilities of creation in it.

Now you write it in small letters - should the not be capitals or should you not use Universal carall ever time?


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Yada yada yada and so on and so forth. As I am aware that you have a very entertaining lecture on Elven Cosmology scheduled right after this one, I shall say no more on this. Moving on:


 LOL, your lecturer surely would have cut that yada out!


The Four Elemental Conditions of the Carall

You suddenly introduce „Prime Energy“ - that is a bit disturbing, even if you explain it in brackets. Maybe you should more clearly mention at  the beginning the synonyms.

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Carall then is white light and different elemental energies the different colours of the spectrum.
Hey! That is pretty modern...

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According to Ximaxian theorists, an oun is only a very concentrated “package” of energy, but due to its incredible density (intensity?) it can be conceived of as a particle while the carall as a whole must be thought of as a wave.

Oh, that is very advanced, modern physics disguised?

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Notice that an oun is the Prime Elemental Entity. In a sense ounia are “quantified”; they are the smallest units of the carall – you either move an oun or don’t, there is no such thing as “adding half an oun” to this or that part of the carall.

Now, that comes a bit quick, why can I not imagine a smaller quantity of ‚concentration of elemental energy.‘ ?

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an “oun” (plural: ounia) is an immense concentration of elemental energy.

If there would not stand ‚immense‘ quantity, then I could say, that an oun is the smallest possible concentration of the Prime Energy, below , it would cease to exist...



Well, I think I spare myself reading more for the purpose to comment - I might find more ;)
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« Reply #25 on: 25 June 2009, 05:01:25 »

Thanks Talia! Too tired right now, so I'll get to it tomorrow. I don't really mind it if we miss this update. It can always go up later. Thanks for taking the time hug
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« Reply #26 on: 09 July 2009, 03:06:22 »

Coren, I don't think I'll get around to read this so in depth, that I can give some usefull comments. I have to print it out and take it with me, when we are away from home next time. If there is really something which needs to be altered, that is surely possible later as well.

I promise I will read it , otherwise I might invent things clerics can do which are impossible.. ;)
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« Reply #27 on: 09 July 2009, 03:43:51 »

Sure Talia - don't stress yourself over it. Shall I prepare and send it to Arti then? Or do you want the uploading to wait until you have a look over it? Let me know. Either way is fine with me


PS: I'll try to respond to and integrate your comments tomorrow :)
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« Reply #28 on: 09 July 2009, 04:06:03 »

No, send it to Art, then I will surely find the time to read them :D
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