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« Reply #30 on: 15 April 2010, 11:46:03 »

The Warhammer

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Overview:

Warhammers are weapons generally used by strong warriors. With devastating power when used correctly, the Warhammer can break bones and cause grievous bodily harm without even breaking the armour. Best against plate armour, when it is studded with spikes the warhammer's damage-dealing potential increases greatly.  As stated, this is a misleading statement.  It is better than other weapons against plate mail, but would be far more effective against an unarmoured opponent.  Perhaps change the sentence so that it compares itself to slashing weapons which are relatively ineffective against plate.


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Warhammers are made up of a heavy block of metal atop a long wooden shaft. The look of the head of the warhammer varies depending on the race it was made by; Human warhammers almost always have a steel or iron block on a thick wooden shaft, while Dwarven warhammers often have the entire warhammer made out of the same metal; usually iron or steel, but some have known to be made of mithril I quote from the metals entry
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Mithril (Silversteel, True Silver)
Extremely rare kind of metal, silver in color, a metal that does not tarnish. Mithril can be beaten and polished without being weakened, and it is both light and hard. It is treasured greatly by the Thergerim as well as the elves and made into powerful armour. Kor Mithrid once was the greatest provider of Mithrid, but nowadays there exists no mithril-vein anymore on the whole world of Caelereth worth mentioning. Mithril items therefore are priceless and very difficult to come by.
  Make sure you stress the rarity of such an item.  and decorated with fine gold runes and patterns! Shafts lengths can range anywhere from 1 Ped to 2 Peds, 2 Fores, and are mostly made of woods. Some of the best woods are Ironwood, cherry, and pine, though most hardwoods are acceptable.  What you have described is a great maul, not a warhammer as such.  See notes at the bottom of entry.

There are also varieties that are used by the larger races such as Trolls and Ogres, as these giants can carry a massive warhammer with one hand. Orcs are also known to use warhammers, especially those that have spikes on one or both ends. Most varieties have a leather thong attached to the end of the shaft to ensure warriors don’t drop their weapon. Orcs in general?  There are many orcs in many places around the disk, and not all are even on the same continent.  Do they all use them, or just certain tribes.  That's like saying Humans use warhammers.  But, the human Ice Tribe don't.


Usage:
Many races use a variation of the warhammer. Humans and dwarves most commonly use them however. Elves rarely use this weapon, as it is too bulky for the nimble fighting style they are used to. As mentioned above Orcs, Trolls and Ogres also use the warhammer, and though they are the weapon of choice for dwarves, the Kurakim are especially proficient with them (as are many Erpheronian warriors who are more thick set than their kinsmen).


Fighting Style:
Warhammers are more cumbersome than most weapons, if not the most, but they can still pack a powerful punch, especially against multiple enemies. When facing more than one foe, the wielder swings the warhammer as hard as they can from side to side, keeping them from getting close enough to attack. The long shaft is what allows this to happen, and so we come to one of the greatest assets of the warhammer; the reach. Sometimes this tactic can be used against a single enemy, but more often the user of the warhammer will lift it to head height and bring it crashing down, before lifting it and quickly repeating the process, until their adversary makes a mistake. They are able to do this for long periods of time- having had to train for long hours in order to be able to access the upper body strength essential to this weapon- but if they start to tire and their foe seems to show no sign of it, they can choose one of two options; continue or throw the warhammer. The first option is the safest but the least likely to gain victory if the enemy is very fit. Besides leaving the wielder of the hammer without their main weapon and therefore more vulnerable if they miss, the second option has another problem. Warhammers are very heavy, so are difficult to throw powerfully and accurately.  Again, Maul, as most warhammers are sleek efficient killing tools.  To be good at any weapon, long hours of training are required.  Perhaps rewriting this paragraph might help.  You appear to have a lot of thoughts that merge and ramble on and leave the reader at a bit of a loss in trying to follow.

Both have problems, which is why warhammers are not the weapon of choice for most warriors. They are too heavy and unwieldy, leaving only those with immense strength able to use them efficiently. Those that can, however, become legends. One such example is Zigilrak the Hammer, a famous and much feared leader of the Nerters of Milkengrad at around 617 b.S., who struck fear into the enemies wielding this formidable weapon. How?  Why?  Tossing out a famous name without a little bit of context does liuttle to expand on the point you are making.


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The true origins of the warhammer are lost in the mists of time, but a human can we nail this down to a tribe?  It is not a Remusian legend.  It would make it sound better to attach it to a particular people. legend common in the area around Voldar tells of a time, during the Battle of Four Swords, when a farm blacksmith, by the name of Sydus Goth, roused to the defense of his farmstead, led the counter-attack against the orcs wielding his smithy hammer. His awesome muscles and familiarity with the balance and use of the tool allowed him to use it to devastating effect and the orcs were routed. After the battle, Sydus realised just how formidable a weapon he carried and set about enlarging the head and studding it with nails in case of another orc attack. The legend goes that a mere three hours after the completion of the transformation of the hammer from tool to weapon a larger orc force attacked the farmstead, but were once again defeated by the simple peasant folk, emboldened by the sight of Sydus' devastating hammer. Similar legends exist across the length and breadth of Santharia, if not Sarvonia or even the entire disc of Caelereth.

Another example is from Northern Sarvonia, where a Kurakim called Mithten Kemruhnt had a similar revelation while defending a forge in a settlement outside the mountains at around 700 b.S., also from orc raiders. He picked up his hammer and saved his smithy from getting even a scratch. People were inspired by his use of the hammer, and he became very successful selling refined versions of the smith's tool. To this day, the Dwarven word for 'warhammer' is 'khemrhunt'.  Might want to check with Bard Judith on the plausability of the name origin.

How the use of the warhammer spread is unknown, and there may have been many factors, but some things are for sure: this weapon, while primitive, can be devastating in battle and its use is still widespread.


All the way through this entry, you describe this weapon as a maul while caling it a warhammer.  Not just the physical description, but in the fighting style as well.  Now, not to get stuck on semantics, maybe just explain that a maul is a subset of hammer, a two handed version, then you can keep the warhammer name, if it means that much to you.   But warhammers, true warhammers, are smaller, more handler friendly, weapons.

As far as spikes go, I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense.  Clubs are done like this, but clubs are primitive weapons suited for attacking victims who are unarmoured.  If only a few spikes are on the end of the maul, then they would be broken/bent by plate mail, which you have asserted as the primary target, and if you put too many spikes, well... have you ever been hit with a brush, or seen those Hindu magicians laying on a bed of nails?  They impact gets dispersed too much to make it effective.  You would be better off then to use a plain hammerhead with a convex surface.
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« Reply #31 on: 15 April 2010, 12:14:27 »

The Loch-Oc are the only tribe who uses the warhammer as listed in their entry. Most other orc tribes prefer blades or lighter fighting styles. Generally, Sarvonian orcs are not heavy weapons fighters, neither are Nybelmar orcs.

I'd say the warhammer is typically used in various forms among the trolls, ogres, giants and gorba races who are large and powerful. Among humans, I'd say Kuglimz and Ash'mari for sure. Elves a definite no.

Also among some dwarven clans the warhammer is most prevalent given that it is also Urtengor's chosen weapon.
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« Reply #32 on: 15 April 2010, 17:29:59 »

Maybe I should change all mentions of warhammers to great mauls, then correct any mistakes/ incorporate edits.
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« Reply #33 on: 15 April 2010, 21:18:15 »

Ok, how does it look now?
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« Reply #34 on: 19 April 2010, 20:24:45 »

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« Reply #35 on: 19 April 2010, 20:58:33 »

Your usage section generalizes the races that use the maul. You mention humans, dwarves and orcs without being very specific. You mention the Losh-Oc or Erpheronians in other sections though. Also, you may with to provide some evidence that trolls and ogres use mauls. Did you gather eyewitness accounts or stories from certain tribes who provided details?
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« Reply #36 on: 20 April 2010, 01:12:47 »

Ok, changes made in brown
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« Reply #37 on: 20 April 2010, 05:24:05 »

The Great Maul


Overview:

Great Mauls are weapons generally used by strong warriors. With devastating power when used correctly, the Maul can break bones and cause grievous bodily harm without even breaking the armour. One of the most effective weapons against plate armour, the Maul can be considered as a sort of militarised sledgehammer.
I believe this was discussed. At length even. A great big hammer wouldn't be much good against plate armor.

Description:
Great Mauls are made up of a heavy block of metal atop a long wooden shaft. The look of the head of the maul varies depending on the race it was made by; Human mauls almost always have a steel or iron block on a thick wooden shaft, while Dwarven ones often have the entire maul made out of the same metal; usually iron or steel, but some have even been known to be made of the rare mithril and decorated with fine gold runes and patterns! Somerandom space?  have one or more spikes Why go to the trouble? If it's a militarised sledgehammer people are likely to keep it that way. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see this doing double duty in an erpheronian camp being used to hammer in tent spikes or building fortifications. This business with the spikes is getting a little tired.on the back. Shafts lengths can range anywhere from a ped to two peds two fores, and are mostly made of woods. Some of the best woods are Ironwood, cherry, and pine, though most hardwoods are acceptable.a note on why there are red letters in there. It's a fairly common convention that you don't mix numerals in writing. Two, not 2 and all that. I've gotten told this one often enough though. It just doesn't look right. Also, you wouldn't say Two Meters, you'd write it Two meters. Peds and fores are measurements just like meters and feet.

According to the few people to have seen them and lived to tell the tale, there are also varieties that are used by the larger races such as Trolls and Ogres, as these giants can carry a massive maul with one hand. Loch-Oc Orcs are also known to use Mauls, especially those that have spikes on them. Most varieties have a leather thong attached to the end of the shaft to ensure warriors don’t drop their weapon.


Usage:
Many races use a variation of the Great Maul. Humans and dwarves most commonly use them however. Elves rarely use this weapon, as it is too bulky for the nimble fighting style they are used to. Avvenorians and Shendar are rarely seen using the Maul. As mentioned above Orcs (especially Losh-Oc), Trolls and Ogres also use the Great Maul, and though they are the weapon of choice for dwarves- being Urtengor's own favoured weapon-, the Kurakim are especially proficient with them (as are many Erpheronian warriors who are more thick set than their kinsmen).
Why so bracketed? you could easily work these in with a simple comma or semi-colon I think.


Fighting Style:
Great Mauls are more cumbersome than most weapons, if not the most, but they can still pack a powerful punch, especially against multiple enemies. When facing more than one foe, the wielder swings the maul as hard as they can from side to side, keeping them from getting close enough to attack. The long shaft is what allows this to happen, and so we come to one of the greatest assets of the Maul; the reach. Sometimes this tactic can be used against a single enemy, but more often the user of the maul will lift it to head height and bring it crashing down, before lifting it and quickly repeating the process, until their adversary makes a mistake. They are able to do this for long periods of time having had to train for long hours in order to be able to access the upper body strength essential to use this weapon.
Great Mauls are not the weapon of choice for most warriors. They are too heavy and unwieldy, leaving only those with immense strength able to use them efficiently. Those that can, however, become legends.


Origin/History:
The true origins of the Great Maul are lost in the mists of time, but a humanwe've got all sorts of tribes. It wouldn't kill you to name one. legend common in the area around Voldar tells of a time, during the Battle of Four Swords, when a farm blacksmith, by the name of Sydus Goth, roused to the defense of his farmstead, led the counter-attack against the orcs wielding his smithy hammer.A smithy hammer is not a particularly large or heavy hammer to begin with. It doesn't have a long handle either. And I don't think there's any one hammer either for some reason. I've no doubt a smithy would have a sledgehammer though. His awesome muscles and familiarity with the balance and use of the tool allowed him to use it to devastating effect and the orcs were routed. After the battle, Sydus realised just how formidable a weapon he carried and set about enlarging the head and studding it with nails in case of another orc attack. The legend goes that a mere three hours after the completion of the transformation of the hammer from tool to weapon a larger orc force attacked the farmstead, but were once again defeated by the simple peasant folk, emboldened by the sight of Sydus' devastating hammer. Similar legends exist across the length and breadth of Santharia. if not Sarvonia or even the entire disc of Caelereth.
That's taking a it a little far. My suggestion is to crop the end off, or rework the phrase. It sounds... silly. I can picture some evil mastermind saying it quite easily. Sarvonia, or Caelereth. Not both please.

Another example is from Northern Sarvonia, where a Kurakim called Mithten Kemruhnt had a similar revelation while defending a forge in a settlement outside the mountains at around 700 b.S., also from orc raiders. He picked up his hammer and saved his smithy from getting even a scratch. People were inspired by his use of the hammer, and he became very successful selling refined versions of the smith's tool. To this day, the Dwarven word for 'hammer' is 'khemrhunt'.I think you were asked to ask the Bard about this one. Have you?

How the use of the Great maul spread is unknown, and there may have been many factors, but some things are for sure: this weapon, while primitive, can be devastating in battle and its use is still widespread.
A quick rule for you. Wherever you have the complete name of something (which might only be one word) It's capitalized. Great Maul, should be written with both the G and M capitalized. Conversely, Maul does not need to be capitalized and breaks the flow of the sentence.
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« Reply #38 on: 20 April 2010, 05:42:47 »

Done. And I don't really see why I need to consult Bard Judith, helpful and knowledgeable though she is, about this word, Kemruhnt. It does say that it means warhammer in the dictionary.
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« Reply #39 on: 20 April 2010, 06:03:34 »

Because Judith is the Mistress of Dwarvenlore and it is not the word, so much as the use of it as a name, as I recall.
Another example is from Northern Sarvonia, where a Kurakim called Mithten Kemruhnt had a similar revelation while defending a forge in a settlement outside the mountains at around 700 b.S., also from orc raiders. He picked up his hammer and saved his smithy from getting even a scratch. People were inspired by his use of the hammer, and he became very successful selling refined versions of the smith's tool. To this day, the Dwarven word for 'warhammer' is 'khemrhunt'.  Might want to check with Bard Judith on the plausability of the name origin.
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« Reply #40 on: 20 April 2010, 06:12:13 »

Valan, if we can make up our own names, we can use warhammer as a name.
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« Reply #41 on: 20 April 2010, 06:23:25 »

I think you might be underestimating the amount of work that Bard Judith has put in to this race over the years.  You are not simply creating something insignifigant and naming it, but you are potentialy changing something fundamental.  She should be given the respect she deserves by allowing her to give a nay or a yay on this.  I hope that Bard Judith deserves this little measure of respect.  She may have no problem with this at all.  May give you Kudos for your inventiveness.  I don't know.  I'm not a dwarf expert.

I know I would do so if I were creating a dwarven entry, or from Talia in a Shendar entry, or Azhira in a Mists entry or any number of developers in their staked out areas where they have spent countless hours working on something.  I think Judith and her 6800 + posts here deserves that much from you.  No?  Or am I wrong?  Is that too much?
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« Reply #42 on: 20 April 2010, 09:26:05 »

I apologize for taking so long to weigh in on the subject at hand.  I've been recovering from Influenza B and dealing with my students' midterms.

As to to question of name origin:

Another example is from Northern Sarvonia, where a Kurakim called Mithten Kemruhnt had a similar revelation while defending a forge in a settlement outside the mountains at around 700 b.S., also from orc raiders. He picked up his hammer and saved his smithy from getting even a scratch. People were inspired by his use of the hammer, and he became very successful selling refined versions of the smith's tool. To this day, the Dwarven word for 'warhammer' is 'khemrhunt'.

This is historically implausible for a number of reasons - first, the association of dwarves and hammers goes back far longer than 700 b.S.!     Yet a story so detailed, including the Thergerim hero's name, would not have come down over thousands of years despite the way in which the dwarves literally carve their histories in stone.    And finally, dwarves are named (their 'last', 'family', or 'cavern' names) after existing Thergerimtaal words, not viceversa.  (In other words, all dwarven names fit into a pattern of a unique first name which may be one, two, or three syllables, plus an 'epithet' which can be translated into Tharian:   'Krennik Forgehammer', 'Hren Weavewender', 'Boldt Spiltwater', and so on...)

  A more general and plausible way to write about the long association of dwarves and warhammers  might be as follows:


The dwarves of Northern Sarvonia, who have been using hammers as their warweapons for literally thousands of years, claim that the Great Maul originated with their tribe back in the dawn of their history.  In the colder wastes of the North where forge hammers and sledge hammers rang day and night under the icy rocks to carve out their living caverns, and where axes were rarely used due to the dearth of large trees, slowly the hammer became their symbol.  The tool of choice, it would have come readily to hand if icewolves attacked or a wandering band of orcs encountered a work party of dwarves... and so, simply and easily, the dwarven hammer took on its fighting connotations.   The handle was lengthened, the striking face made more convex, and the shaft given inset rings so that the weapon could be slung on a strap across the back.    By the time humans encountered the northern Thergerim, the hammer was already an omnipresent part of their aboveground attire, as unremarkable as the eating knife or nailstudded rock boots... but a novelty to the human tribes, who seized on this simple but practical tool and adapted it for their own physique and fighting style.


Just a suggestion - I'm glad to see someone taking on the entry for the warhammer and attempting to incorporate the existing concepts and details that we have available.   I trust this additional information will be useful!

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« Reply #43 on: 20 April 2010, 09:45:04 »

Ahhh, thank you Bard. 

M'ruk, I sense you want to get this one done.  Well this entry started off trying to be a simple entry about a warhammer.  You have turned it into a much more rich and complete entry of the Great Maul.  So feel good about that and lets get this one down the final stretch.   thumbup
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« Reply #44 on: 20 April 2010, 10:09:30 »

Waaait...

So Northern humans learned of the war hammer from the dwarves? That really must go back far in history. Perhaps the dwarves took the war hammer to greater significance, such as a religious or cultural symbol as well as a weapon. The humans, who probably had similar hammer type weapons (it's such a simple tool after all) adopted the dwarven fighting technique with it. To me, that seems plausible.

I wish Alysse were here to give some insight. Human tribes are not my forte... undecided
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