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Azhira Styralias
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« Reply #15 on: 01 August 2010, 03:37:24 »
Yes! Yay Mina! Introduce a little controversy and debate into stuffy ol' Ximax Academy. I like it!  thumbup

Maybe there are many magi in the Everbright cult who practice with reagents and teach their importance. It would be a minority sect of teachers, but enough to cause a stir and doubt.
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« Reply #16 on: 01 August 2010, 08:01:48 »
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Why should Ximax as a whole be in agreement about this?  Perhaps it is a controversial issue, and there are some that think that reagents are necessary and some that think they aren't?  Mostly magic dev so far has assumed that reagents are unnecessary except for beginners or unfamiliar spells, where they act as a crutch as Drasil said, but I think it would be nice to see reagents get a little more important too, even if it's only for some magi.   :)

Edit: I might be mistaken, but I think that the Zirghurim are a significant minority in Ximax, and probably quite a few of them are magi at the Academy too.  

So I was going to write a lengthy post explaining how this isn't possible, but I ended up just having the conversation with Azhira in the IRC(which is attached in a word document).  Until these issues can be addressed there is no way the idea of reagents as a necessity can be accepted, even arguably, in the Ximaxian system.  Therefore I'm going to have to say no-go on this one.

As for what Judy wants to do with her dwarves, that's entirely up to her, as I've already said.
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« Reply #17 on: 01 August 2010, 14:56:19 »
Ooo... I sense one of my 'Brief Expositions' brewing...
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« Reply #18 on: 01 August 2010, 14:58:39 »
Note to self:  Set aside a whole weekend to read one of Coren's "Brief Expositions".
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« Reply #19 on: 01 August 2010, 15:51:57 »
Just a weekend? ;)
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« Reply #20 on: 01 August 2010, 17:21:17 »
Yes, that is the main problem with what I said.  I was hoping that maybe there's some way to modify the system so that reagents become more necessary.  Then, the current system, ie. what was described in the conversation, could remain as the argument of the no-reagent faction, while the modified version represents the view of the Dwarven Ximaxian magi and others who think that reagents are necessary. 

But, no, I don't have any idea how to do that yet at the moment.  Perhaps Coren has thought of something?   ;)
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« Reply #21 on: 01 August 2010, 22:27:53 »
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Ooo... I sense one of my 'Brief Expositions' brewing...

Talk about a misnomer.  Brief for Coren is a short novel.  :P

As for the reagents issue, if Coren (or anyone else) can come up with some way to make reagents make sense for Sphere I and Sphere II that works in technical magic then I will be convinced and be okay with this whole "opposing view points" thing.  Until then, I'm set firmly against it. 
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