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« Reply #15 on: 02 September 2010, 06:15:06 »

@ Seeker: Well, seriously! Did it never occur to you that all these big ugly orcs had to come from somewhere?  I mean, other than a mass-produced Peter Jackson fantasy/nightmare?

And. I. Am. Not. An. Orc. Mommy.

You're as bad as the Bard.

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@Athviaro:  Yes, the average peasant would have the idea that "the only good orc is  a dead orc" but I just wanted to be sure you knew that wasn't necessarily the case with orcs around here.  As one of the earlier developers, I'm a strong Orc partisan. Um. Obviously. Big Grin
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« Reply #16 on: 02 September 2010, 07:18:07 »

Let's not forget the Ximax orcs :D

Question: Why does Volkek Oshra mean Magic Orc in the orcish language?

Answer: Because those orcs say so ... and who is going to argue with someone who can burn you to a crisp?
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« Reply #17 on: 06 September 2010, 03:43:16 »

Yes this was a practice as a result of the Catholic church feeling that God heals and man should not intervene.  I would prefer to not have a similar restriction in Santharia.  

The advantage to having a polytheistic society is we can have the best of both worlds here - no legal restriction, but perhaps some cults and specific doctrines say it shouldn't happen? Eg, Armeros' followers say it is "against the God's will" to perform surgery on injured soldiers. They could cause real problems - people refusing surgery, political pressure etc. Almost like different religions.

Trepanation
I'll check the spellings on this as Bard suggests.  There is evidence that trepanation was practiced by many cultures.  For Santharia I can tone down the current usage and mention that only the Ice tribes appear to be currently practicing it and that it is outlawed in the Kingdom or something.

The spellings are as I explained them here. Trepanation is different to trephination. Trepanning and trephining are interchangeable with these two, respectively. At the moment, the entry uses them all interchangeably. Perhaps the Remusians (the more "advanced" Ice Tribe (Alt back me up on this please?)) use a trephine and the less sophisticated use a trepan.

regarding Athivaro's comment  He brings up a good point.  There were many cultures before the European middle Ages that were more advanced than the Europeans in the area of science and medicine. We don't have to have the exact same advancements in Santharia as all these cultures combined.  However knowing about these cultures provides us with the possibilities that we can consider as we decide together what makes sense for santharia.  

Thanks! It is quite conceivable that Santharian medicine is more advanced than Mediaeval medicine, as they could have built on earlier medicine without repressive religions to hold them back - that seems to me to be the key difference between Terran Mediaeval times and Santharian times (the lack of a repressive, all-powerful monotheistic religion). Just my opinion and an idea.

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« Reply #18 on: 11 September 2010, 23:44:10 »

Alright I made some changes.

1) I went with Trepanning and changed the tool to a trepan.  I also toned down the use of the procedure.

2) I removed the paragraph in the Santhalian Section that was simply not working for a number of reasons.

More comments and suggestions are welcome.  thumbup
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« Reply #19 on: 13 September 2010, 06:35:27 »

Well, we've got the myrmex stitches but I'm surprised you've missed this one! It seems to be a movie favourite.

Cauterization, wherin one applies a hot object (coal, a hot brand or iron, even a sufficiently hot rock would do) to an open wound. Often used if the patient is bleeding profusely or there is not otherwise time to stitch the wound shut, or if the wound is the result of amputation. The heat of the object sears the wound shut, forcing it to scar and scab rapidly and quite painfully. Often used on soldiers.

(Yes I sort of wrote one for you. The little gears are turning in my head so I can't exactly help it :D )
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« Reply #20 on: 13 September 2010, 07:59:43 »

hmm well cauterization is already mentioned as a means to steirlize and can be found in the following link. I am not sure I would mention it as the way to close the wound after a surgery, but I am open to be convinced.
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« Reply #21 on: 13 September 2010, 08:35:46 »

Well, assume you cut off an arm below the elbow. You have all those blood vessals that are now completely open and the blood is leaking out. Assuming you've been smart and tied above the cut, there's stillgoing to be quite a lot of blood and the quickest, easiest thing to do is to burn the whole thing shut. If the poor fellow has had his limb outright hacked off and not amputated surgically, cauterization would be doubly a good idea since the bleeding could very easily kill him. It doesn't need to be included in detail, since you've already done that in the other entry, but a cursory mention that using cauterization isn't uncommon in battlefield surgery might be appropriate?
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« Reply #22 on: 13 September 2010, 09:13:14 »

Hmm... I've never known it to be used in full amputations... mostly gunshots.... shocked
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« Reply #23 on: 14 September 2010, 07:31:03 »

*Sticks finger in entry and tastes*

Not bad, but should be bloodier if its surgery...err in my opinion.

Anyway, I don't see why we don't have a crude eye surgery, I'm rather sure the Romans had one. I'll look into it and type it up if you'd like Seeker, once I update the Crossbow of course.
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« Reply #24 on: 14 September 2010, 08:07:26 »

That would be great Agran.  I am not in a rush on this entry.
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« Reply #25 on: 18 September 2010, 11:12:55 »

Eye Surgery- While a very dangerous and rather unknown, eye surgery has been attempted and succeeded, leading to at least moderate vision improvement on the subjects. The surgeon will take a long and very thin needle was pushed through the outer part of the eye to break up any ‘blockages’ and the remaining pieces were gently sucked up using an equally long and thin tube.  Since this practice is rather dangerous and requires an expert’s skill, it is difficult to find surgeons willing to perform this outside of New Santhala. There have been rumours of attempts by Northern healers to attempt this, but whether the surgery was a success, or more importantly, if the patient lived, have remained so far, unconfirmed.
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« Reply #26 on: 08 November 2010, 01:53:32 »

Alright I think I will try and get this finished for the next update.  Any comments are stillw welcome.

I will add Agran's eye surgery to the list as well. 
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« Reply #27 on: 12 January 2011, 13:03:16 »

If we're all done with this Seeker, we'll see to it that it makes in in next update?
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« Reply #28 on: 08 February 2011, 23:06:13 »

Prodding this one more time Seeker, are you ready for a blarrow?
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« Reply #29 on: 09 February 2011, 09:56:12 »

I need to read through it one more time.  Thanks for pushing me though, I need to do it.  THIS WEEK!
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