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« on: 16 September 2005, 14:23:00 »

Existing Cities+
- Cusca (aka "Salt Hill")
- Kimbar
- Karakan
- Evasnos (aka "The City of Gods")
- Hootar (name will change soon; look out for the polls)
- Cyras
- Marmarra

+NO ENTRIES written yet.

Planning to Add
- Sarktar: Northeast of Cyras.
- Dryssket: West of Sarktar.
- Ktoorinsi: East of Hootar
- Zarkophath: Northeast of Marmarra.
- Takasestet Wharves: Right in the middle of Cusca and Kimbar.

- Ratheen Spring
- Ratheen Forest
- the Rose Fields of Ratheen
- Tuudar
- Chalmith
- Shelyna
- Nybelriod City
- Nybelriod Palace
- Nybelriod Falls
- Ysel Ralendi
- Admarr: Between Hootar and Marmarra.
- Vocis Wells: Northeast Zhun; around the small grove.
- Dranakkindren Woods: Northwest of the small grove marked on the map.
- Dranakkindren Nest
- Dranakkindren Cliffs
- Ouble Quay
- Juca Jucandi
- Quessinnel

- Emperor's Way
- Silverhills
- Goldmount
- Bankside
- The Fork
- R'unoak

(Special thanks to Judith for this marvelous quick-name-generating)

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« Reply #1 on: 26 September 2005, 11:45:00 »

uhm, I'd be glad to help, but you're not very specific... :)  

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« Reply #2 on: 26 September 2005, 19:39:00 »

I'd like to try out any maps. That would be really fun. But yes you need to be a little more specific, just names don't help much. :lol  

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« Reply #3 on: 28 September 2005, 05:52:00 »

Wait people, wait ;)  There isn't even a draft up yet. Give me some time :)  

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« Reply #4 on: 30 September 2005, 16:58:00 »

Hey do you have any form of a map for this. Nothing fancy, just a rough outline so we can referece approximatly where you are talking about.

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« Reply #5 on: 30 September 2005, 17:08:00 »

Nope, but will make one tomorrow morning. Good night to everyone on this side of the world and a pleasant day to the others!

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« Reply #6 on: 01 October 2005, 17:00:00 »

Could you please write a litte summary of what you had in mind? Like what kind of govenment and if they are military or not. Just a genral idea of what you are thinking, so we can think too.

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« Reply #7 on: 02 October 2005, 09:12:00 »

I don't have anything in mind for the cities yet. So please feel free to jot down a few ideas. I'm only reserving the titles under existing cities as they are a bit harder than the rest.

EDIT: Did you get my map btw?

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« Reply #8 on: 02 October 2005, 10:17:00 »

Yes, I got the map, thanks. Anyway do you have any ideas for the region? Just anything I can go off of?

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« Reply #9 on: 02 October 2005, 12:21:00 »

Well, you can always start here (and here) if you want to write entries. Just to get an overall feel of the region look here.

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« Reply #10 on: 05 October 2005, 19:07:00 »

Your basic concept is to have them a city-states much like greece. Right?

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« Reply #11 on: 05 October 2005, 23:43:00 »

Coren, do you have any maps? Post them here! If you don't know how to do it, send them to me!

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« Reply #12 on: 09 October 2005, 07:29:00 »

I have a proposal for you. At the moment you have a city-state government set up. But it worked in greece so well because of the mountians. They seprated the cityes so much that it would have been imossible to rule two or more at the same time from one spot. So larger states were not created. This dosn't work so well here. Because of the easy movement between cities.
So I sugest that you unite the cities into one, two, or three seprate, but peaceful governments. With two states, it would be divided so Karakan and Evansnos were one government. And the cites on the coast were another. For three it would be paired Karakan-Evansnos, Cusca-Kimbar, and Hootar-Marmarra. This way the surrounding region is controled, and not left empty. The central governments could be weak and only truly nessciary in time of war. Then the area surronding the main cities would be controled by them. Or if there are any other Ideas, they are welcome.

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« Reply #13 on: 09 October 2005, 13:03:00 »

Lucius... That is a very clever point! Your suggestion, imho, should form the basis of the political structure before 3000b.S (when the indigenous people of the zhunite plain lived by themselves). Then comes the Krath colonists - I guess for a few hundred years these will just be 'test' settlements (Krath experimenting whether it would be worth pursuing the project). The same political structure applies to this era, the only difference is a few new states are formed by the Krath colonists (mainly Krean). Then the Empire decides to expand into Zhun (mines, flat/fertile farmland etc) >>> conquests. Eventually all the Zhunite territory falls under imperial rule. (Marmarra is special in that it is mostly left alone, almost half autonomous). The situation is roughly the same until the Year of Darkness.

Then the last Zhunite uprising, puppeteered by Anpagan seperates Zhun from the already diminishing empire. I don't think after that the main cities would want to unite as you suggested: 1. There is no one left to protect themselves from. 2. They are all very rich and competing for the sea trade with the eastern continent. 3. Because of their prosperity each main city could support its own army to protect itself against neighboring cities.

The difference to the model you suggested would be: now instead of a government of 2+ cities, each city could control its surrounding area >> establish a rule over the smaller towns etc.

Further, Anpagan would not want strong coalitions which may lead to powerful kingdoms exist between the city states (after all they spent hundreds of years trying to seperate them from Krath). Small, independent cities are easier to dominate/influence than three or four of such rich states combined.


I am open to further suggestions. What do you say?

Once again congrats on this valid point :)  

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« Reply #14 on: 09 October 2005, 13:04:00 »

Which reminds me: We need other big cities. Especially in central zhun (the fertile part)

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