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« Reply #30 on: 02 July 2001, 09:15:00 »

It looks to me like many sorren players see things the way we do, they don't want there little sand castle to be washed away...
I can't see this as being much of a problem, as long as we draw out how far we want to co-operate. Does sorren want to use every thing we have to offer, all the history, all the geography, all the heroes, every thing. OR do they only want little things, like some animals from the bestiary and currency. Or is it some where in between? The sooner we know exactly how far where gonna take this, the better. I my self would love to see part of the dream in 3d, almost making it come to life. We just need to know how deep this is gonna go...

BTW: I joined up at sorren, and it's really quite fun, it kicks the crap out of utopia. Good show Nate!

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« Reply #31 on: 02 July 2001, 19:41:00 »

Thanks I appreciate it.  I've worked hard at it and I appreciate the compliments.  There are still some issues that will be resolved in the game.

I remember when I was younger playing a mud called mediavia.  I so much wanted to code the mobs in a zone.  I didn't care about the whole project. Or even making the entire town.  But to make it so that a child comes up to you and begs money from you.  Then after you give him one he treats you differently.  When you visit a zone at certain times mobs are doing different stuff.  Maybe as it's getting dark citizens wander home.  If a kid doesn't make it becuase a human attacked him the villagers can get together and devise a plan for getting vengence.

Anyway, I hope it will be as fun to other world builders as it would have been if I had the chance back then.

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« Reply #32 on: 02 July 2001, 19:52:00 »

How far I see the two coming together.

Well most of our limits I see will be the ability of the programmers, graphic artists, and builders.  I would like to see all the animals, maps, and languages written in.  Honestly I don't think this will happen in the first attempt.  One of those reasons is because technology changes so fast.  By the time we get so far along there will be a new and better way to do it.

But i'm looking foreward to working with a group of people who will all gain in experience and knowledge along the way.  The game will not end up being the way I see it now.  I have programmed long enough to know that fact.

I am relatively new to directX programming but I have successfully managed to create some 3d objects in code.  And pull in a 3d object that my wife made with 3d studio max.  Both of the above tests were done with javascript not java and both were using 3d acceleration, software rendering if no 3d card existed.  I am of the opinion that in 2 years almost everyone will have a 3d accelerator card and cable or better internet connections.

My icq is 20748554 if you wish to discuss ideas mentioned in this thread.

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« Reply #33 on: 02 July 2001, 22:05:00 »

You're helping to babysit your nephews for the weekend and you come back to Santharia and an epic has evolved :lol  Wow, you guys have really been pounding this Sorren/Santharian problem when I was away! Trying to catch up on my reading and firstly, I would like to thank Nate as well for trying to address our concerns in a clear, succinct, yet tactful manner :)  I appreciate the time you're taking to alay our fears here that Sorren won't completely engulf Santharia's unique-ness and vice-versa. Still, from what I read of yours and Art's posts, I get the feeling that you two have pretty much decided on the merger or at least very near to agreeing to do it so I guess quibbling now on whether the joining should go through is quite moot ;)  But I guess too that I have enough faith in Art to know that he'll be looking out for Santharia and our individual interests the best he can. Like Xenos said, I'll continue to concentrate on expanding Santharia and try not to worry too much. But also like Xenos said the way only Xenos can say it, we'll be watching you! :lol  Please don't take it that we'll be watching your every move and ready to pounce on any mistakes or errors with a savage glee! For my case, it just means that I'll be keeping a friendly and interested eye on the development of Sorren/Santharia and is willing to help out anyway I can :)

One last question, for Art, how does the concept of Ava fits in within Sorren/Santharia or not at all? The cosmology section of Santharia is very wonderful in its intricate details but I think it might be a little too abstract for most RPG games. For example, how does the Dagada and Daonami, supposedly filling in roles as Guardians or World Builders, fits in with Ava's dream? Did she give birth to them within her Dream or are they an independent or external force?

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« Reply #34 on: 03 July 2001, 13:15:00 »

We were discussing some necessary things, Dalá, which would be necessary to integrate in Santharian cosmology making things for the game work. This doesn't mean that we've decided things behind your back... *grin* In general I'd say: Don't worry for now about your ideas being grabed by someone, guys etc. The development of an appropriate game engine will last quite a while I guess, and we've picked a place for a first testing place which has not much history and connections to the rest of the land currently. So you will be able to watch the progress, and there won't be much change in the usual world developing business for now, I think. But as I've said already somewhere else: We may take suggestions on what to concentrate, this helps us both.

As for the Guardians/Dagada and Daonami: We will integrate this into Santharian mythology, I'll handle that, I guess. We already have the darkwinds carrying the world, which is embedded in the Etherial Void. It's only logical that there are connections or connectors between reality and the unreal - "lesser" darkwinds - darkwinds with the longing to become winds of the light (here's the tragic e.g.). I already think about deducing the phenomenon of winds on Aér'aí'chán/Sorren from Guardians escaping the Void etc. Needs some more thought, but we'll find something fitting.

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« Reply #35 on: 03 July 2001, 15:28:00 »

I need to read a bit more on the Gods before I can come up with how it can tie in.  Art has a good knowledge of Santharia so he probably has the best idea of their place in history.

I see there is always a problem though if we try to play the game as stuff is being built all in the same time period.

Functionality wise the world will probably have some sort of magic barrier at the edge of the in production zone.  that daonami can't pass.  Finished levels would have a barrier that only daonami (builders) can pass.  Daonami can't effect things in the finished zone directly.  Only inform the Dagada about it.  I'm hoping to have most bugs worked out of zones before they are played.  Issues we might miss for example is a place players can get trapped.  Maybe stairs that allow a player to fall under them when they walk backwards up them or something like that.  These issues need to have a system of getting fixed and players getting helped that doesn't take up the time of the dagada (senior development managers) unless it's necessary.

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« Reply #36 on: 03 July 2001, 19:08:00 »

What would be about 5 good names for trade shops.  and what towns would they be located in.

for example Bardavos supplies might be a name.

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« Reply #37 on: 03 July 2001, 21:25:00 »

Vladimirs Previosly Owned Weapon and Supply Shop Located east side of willowrun, R'unor

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« Reply #38 on: 03 July 2001, 22:07:00 »

It looks like they are taking the neccessary precautions to make sure that everything is well integrated.

Looks good!

Thanks for taking the time to find out what we're about, Nate!

Looking forward to seeing the combination Sorentharia! ;)

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« Reply #39 on: 04 July 2001, 05:48:00 »

Thanks, for all your feedback, Nate!

I checked the forum and I was wondering if I'm able to post anything there and if yes if this is by intention?

Have the feeling most people there think a RPG is a good idea but currently there's not that many talk about our cooperation. People still try to figure out what will change with your new game and don't see the new dimension it will take! :)

Currently I'm a bit stressed so you don't have to fear that I would flood the forum when I've access, if not it doesn't matter either.

Lots of things to do here!

Koldar Mondrakken, Knight of the Moonlight

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« Reply #40 on: 04 July 2001, 12:21:00 »

Some proposals for names to be used at Weapon Shops:

Helmwoud's Swords and Armours (Marcogg)
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The Shimmering Axes. Proprietor: Halving Ovaetsrhoven (Nyermersys, Lision Lane, on the corner - can't miss it!)
or
Invincible Blades. Sharp Weapons and Light Armours Shop owned by Gael III. Jr. (Santhala, southern district)

Just keep asking what you need for the game and we will try to elaborate on it if possible and time allows.

Concerning the cooperation: My vacation starts on Friday, so I will mail out a newsletter at the end of the week to all Santharians and those surfers who signed up for the newsletter (still getting more and more sign ups from Sorren players). I will mention the cooperation idea there and hopefully get more comments on the matter.

Some excerpts from mails and guestbooks entries we got these days:

"how do i  get to play this game - please help  !!!!!!!!!"

"i have heard all about The Santharian Dream and it looks like one of the best rpg's i've played..so when i download the DOC files...i can't play the game..what can i do as an alternative?? please help..i really want to play this game..thanx for you time"

"I am playing Sorren and would like to play your game"

"this site is confusing on how to start playing an explanation would be helpful."

and again

"how do i get to play this game ?????"

Keywords searched most in the Santharian Search Engine lately:

"sign up", "starting", "starting a character", "game"...

Hmmm... I have the impression that people are already searching desperately for something to play... *grin*

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« Reply #41 on: 05 July 2001, 07:32:00 »

that would be my guess.

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« Reply #42 on: 05 July 2001, 07:33:00 »

I'm looking for more of resource shop names.  Just figured since I was adding multiple trade markets into sorren anyway I would use city names and stuff to go along with santharia.

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« Reply #43 on: 05 July 2001, 07:47:00 »

you will probably continue to recieve a good number of signups and e-mails per day.  Sorren has about 2,000 new visitors every day. 200 new players per day.  and about 100-150 players stop playing.  Usually when i've added somethign that they don't like but 80%+ of the others wanted.  It averages out to 100-150 per day.

So far I have only advertised santharia inside of Sorren.  I'm not limited to this.  Art it would be a good idea to sign up for a banner exchange account at www.linkexchange.com.  Then I can place the add that they give you inside sorren to generate traffic.  The reason I would choose that link exchange is because they provide nice targeting function so you can target the impressions where you are most likely to find the sort of help you need.  For example targeting graphic art sites when you need artists etc.  Please make the password a lower security one that you can share with me.  Then just let me know once it's set up and i'll start generating you some impressions.

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« Reply #44 on: 05 July 2001, 07:53:00 »

About forum access.

I had set the forums up so that people could post as guests.  I created a regionID number of 0 for the quest login.  A couple players decided it would be fun to use profanity as a guest then noone would know who it was.  Well needless to say when their messages got deleted it added the no post restriction to the guest login.

To be able to post before the timout expires on the guest account simply create a region and log in.  It doesn't matter if you build your region or not.  But the creating of a login allows me to know who it is posting so the forums can be monitored by the admins.

Sorry about the inconvenience.  The way forum post restrictions work is like this...

1 deleted post 1 day of not being able to post.
2 deleted posts 2 days of not being able to post.
3 deleted posts 3 days of not being able to post.

So the time increases.  Again sorry about the inconvenience.

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