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« on: 09 January 2002, 20:37:00 »

I started this, and I WILL finish it.

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The magical language, or Magidza, is the modern form of the High Language of the Chosen. It is taken from one of the few surviving tomes of that age, the Librus Arcanum. It is theorized by some of the Archmagi that the words of the Chosen still contain their awesome power over the worldly and unworldy, and so it is these words that can bind the magical spirits to a mortal will, better than even the tounges of those closest to the elements.

It is noted that Magidza is profoundly different from most other languages, in that Spellspeak is composed mostly of verbs and adverbs, with a smattering of nouns and the completely different Invocatives and Powers. Invocative-Power pairs are always placed after the spell, with the Power placed in front, specifying the amount to which the Invocative extends. The Invocative follows, indicating the force to be used. An example: Keshlaza(Midpower Energy/Light-invoke) would use a medium amount of Energy or Light magic to do the spell.
The I-P pair is always followed by the Command, verbs with adverbs or nouns. Example: Dunbor-Shlo Keshlaza will create a sheild of wind around the caster's target through use of Light/Energy. As such, the spell would lose power through "conversion loss."

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« Reply #1 on: 09 January 2002, 22:20:00 »

Xarl,
suggest you take a look at the Dragon language. I believe that it was also supposed to be the language used for magical incantations. Check it out.


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« Reply #2 on: 09 January 2002, 23:35:00 »

That's a profoundly different language, and a higher level of power. Dragonspeakers are pretty rare, but they can work more powerful and more deadly magics as they can command the lost powers of the dead dragons (where else can a non-dragon get dragonmagic?) to produce a higher and infinitely different level of spellcasting. As Tarquet has put it, Dragon Magic is mostly used by dragons for dragons, but those few non-dragons who can learn it can gain amazing powers from its use. *looks back over post* Okay, I repeated myself a few times, but I think that's the way it's set up. Can Tarq, Capher, or the Bard be reached for comment?

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« Reply #3 on: 10 January 2002, 10:12:00 »

You are correct Xarl as far as dragon language is concerned. The only non-dragon that I know of that can speak the language is the Wizard of the White Tower. Because he was taught it by a dragon, namely Capher.

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« Reply #4 on: 10 January 2002, 15:13:00 »

Just a short note: "Librus Arcanum" obviously is menat to sound Latin.

1.) We shouldn't use Latin references if possible in Santharia.
2.) You obviously didn't have Latin in school, cause book means "Liber" (oh, all these years in schools learning a "dead" language have finally resulted in giving this correction here... *hehe*). Or you wanted to twist the word a bit, but I still wouldn't use a Latin based word.
3.) In fact I would suggest that Santharian intellectuals use Styrásh as ancient intellectuals used Latin. The "Book of Magic" could be called "delthá'dosía" (lit. "Of the Magics [Ablative]/ books") or simply "delthá". Humans could also refer to it as the "Books of Deltha" (losing the stressing of the last syllable).


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« Reply #5 on: 10 January 2002, 15:40:00 »

The magic language might be a simplifyed version of Styrásh in order to make spells shorter but stronger accentuated?

Just a thought esspecially as Styrash really looks like a hell of a language!

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« Reply #6 on: 10 January 2002, 17:48:00 »

Librus Arcanum was a working name, I will replace it. And the idea for it being based on Styrash... No, for two reasons.
1: My idea! Mine! I want to be able to have my wizards be able to converse oddly!
2: More realistically, the words of Magidza are words that the magical energies of the world are used to obeying. Wouldn't fit if every time an elf with a bit of magic talent said "Fire!" something nearby was burnt up, would it? Admittedly, a lot of formal schooling or a "power surge" would result in the ability to command Wind through Styrash, but most of the time... no. There will be words that sound like Styrash, but also various words that sound like human language, and several others. Of course, if I'm being stupidly stubborn, I would like that to be pointed out.

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« Reply #7 on: 10 January 2002, 18:23:00 »

to 1. Of course, it was just an idea.
to 2: I think the idea of spells is not that anybody who knows them can cast magic but that mages can focus their powers on something. For that an elven language who live very close in harmony with everything would sound fitting. Still no elves would be able to cast magic if he wouldn't concentrate on it. Otherwise we would have lots of people running around accidently casting magic because they said the wrong/right words...

Just thought that basing it on something existing would be the easiest to overcome any difficulties and a totally free-form language for magic is not very likely.

Eventually consider this language to be an ancient one which is used for magic because of tradition.

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« Reply #8 on: 10 January 2002, 22:07:00 »

The problem is that while Styrash would work for controlling wind, Earth or Fire might be another story.
As Dwarves don't listen to Elves, Earth Magic doesn't listen to Wind language. The magic language of the Chosen is something of a compromise, as the words have all the magical precedence of the Chosen, and it "offends" none of the magical forces, being a language spoken only to the Elements and their wielders. (I like to think of an amalgation of magic to have a limited sentience.)

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« Reply #9 on: 11 January 2002, 16:25:00 »

Hmm... Still think that this magic tongue could be influenced at least to a certain degree by the Dragon tongue, borrowing some words from there. Which reminds me: How far have things progressed there, Capher?


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« Reply #10 on: 11 January 2002, 20:27:00 »

Perhaps a mix of simple Styrásh, simple Dwarven language (Thergerim?), and simple Draconic? Maybe with some different stresses on syllables, differnet spellings, etc.

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« Reply #11 on: 12 January 2002, 17:25:00 »

Well... I suppose the Chosen would have been fairly lazy in creating the language.... and they would emulate the most magical creations of the Dream... Alright, it will have a fairly large amount of dragon influence, but I will still make up a few words myself. Magidza is becoming a mishmash of human, dwarven, dragon, and elven language, but I suppose for maximum effect it would work that way.

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« Reply #12 on: 13 January 2002, 11:50:00 »

Bard Judith and I finished the draconian tongue, however I was having problems with it and sent it to Uragel who said she could help me with some problems, but I have not heard from her in awhile.  Will try and contact her again.  If not, do you think I could send it to you Art and see what you can do with it.  The problem is that it overwrites the blackAriel font on your computer.  Judith tried to correct the problem, I tried and it did not work.  So I am in a quandry.

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« Reply #13 on: 15 January 2002, 15:38:00 »

Well, you could try mailing it to me, Capher, and I will take a look. Maybe I can fix it, but no guarantee on that...


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« Reply #14 on: 16 January 2002, 11:29:00 »

Ok, Art will do.

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